Fright Night (1985) (30th Anniversary Edition) (Limited Edition) - SOLD OUT

[Randall Flagg]

Originally Posted by Bassaholic

Me too and I don't even like the movie. lol

Not funny at all.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Ahem, I did my part but it's now hard to purchase catalog titles from Sony since they no longer release them; at least in the US. It's unfortunate to see Sony in this sad state. I can't imagine how few titles might get released on 4K.

Agreed... it was a joint studio/consumer murder/suicide. But let me ask you this... would you be willing to support 4K Blu-ray if the studios announced it with pricing in the $40-$60 range? If they really went after it and marketed/priced it in the same way they did in the LD days, as a true niche product that only was going to cater to the collector/enthusiast? Because that's the only way it's going to happen.

People who complain about Twilight Time are like the people in stores who complain because they're no longer getting some unintentional deal they'd been enjoying. They complain, "Well I've always paid next to nothing, so I'm offended that you've discovered your previous error." They don't enjoy and appreciate the deal they were inadvertently getting all this time and instead lock onto this entitlement they now feel. People shouldn't scowl at the occasional $30 title because they've been getting fantastic deals on nearly every OTHER title they buy. Just looking above, Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is currently selling on Amazon for $4.99. The &*CK(&@ DVD version is $6.59!!!!!!! In what world should that happen?

People shouldn't get pissed because Twilight Time titles are $30, they should be more grateful that all of the other titles AREN'T. Because they certainly could/might be eventually.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Bk_Tan

Not going to bother finding the posts to quote, but those who believe that catalogue titles will easily sell out at B&M stores for $20 don't live in the real world.

This is not DVD and a very way far away from the golden days of home video.

People wait until a movie is at $5 to get it and those are movies like Batman Begins not Fright Night. The longer time passes, the less copies most movies are able to sell, it's just the nature of the beast.

It is accentuated by the arrival of Internet/downloading and piracy which killed off a massive market, which is why you still see the studios fighting it. The day they finally kill piracy off, there will be an uptick in "sales" but they will probably be of the streaming and digital kind. Piracy not only funds the lack of creativity and reliance on brands we see in the cinema but all kinds of criminal activity, page views ya know.

thenumbers isn't 100% accurate but they do report some numbers and when you have movies like Edge of Tomorrow not making even 1m copies (only 620k at this moment) or Pompeii with 150k over a couple months do you really think Fright Night (or since you guys are enraged about TT, any title) will easily sell 20k in its first week? The movie is thirty years old. There are just so many things wrong with people who believe this that I just realised it's not worth my time pointing everything out when there are good articles and posts already here too. The longer you want to dwell in ignorance, the worse it is for you. Good luck.

The future indeed lies with limited module of distribution because most movies will become worthless in mass distribution, as already evidenced. People here complain about paying $10 instead of $5 or free (taking advantage of price errors). The amount of movies released each year should also tell you this as the larger the quantity that adds to the historical catalogue, the less each title gets to shine unless it really stands out. It's common sense. There is more value to a title in a 100 strong catalogue than one in a 100,000 catalogue. The only way to retain value in the future is limited distribution. The silver lining is, that if or when the studios wrest control back over piracy, and although they may seem lightyears away, the more the world does business online, the higher the chance laws, security and etc will catch up, movies, music, books etc will rise in value again, and while limited still exists, it'll probably be a lot more than 3,000 a title.

Ahhhh... a man with a brain. People would be shocked at how low some of these titles are selling. There are MAJOR titles from big studios that have sold in the THOUSANDS WORLDWIDE. I'm not talking 50,000 or 60,000... numbers like 15,000- WORLDWIDE. There is a major shift happening and people should start getting used to more licensing deals that may have limited/premium pricing ramifications. A lot of us have been screaming it for a while (hell, I was saying it in 2005 before BD or HD-DVD was even released), but people just wanted to argue and sneer, not because it wasn't true, but because they didn't WANT it to be true.

[cobravenomous]

I missed out on the first release of this movie a few years back however I wasn't interested enough to pay the exorbitantly high prices demanded of resalers so I did without...... Now when this 30th edition re-release by Twilight Time was announced it tweaked my interest, first because it's a movie I could have fond memories of when I watched it when initially released, with repeat viewability and second the excitement of owning TT movies that are out of print (ie. JTTCOTE, MI, BD, all which I own) intrigues me. I find it exciting to own a limited print of a Blu-ray movie which is no longer available and one that also demands high resale prices. Although I would never sell my copy, I like the feeling knowing that I got a great deal!

I ordered my 30th Anniversary edition on Jan 01st and I decided to order a second under my wife's account with second copy for my brother as he too is a movie buff, however I feel fortunate to have placed my order because when I went to order a second one they had just apparently sold out all 5000 copies.

Thanks to blu-ray.com as it is one of my favourite sites, visiting it daily and appreciate it as a resource keeping me informed of all things Blu......

Cobra

[buck135]

Originally Posted by Cliff

People shouldn't get pissed because Twilight Time titles are $30, they should be more grateful that all of the other titles AREN'T. Because they certainly could/might be eventually.

This is a brilliant and completely accurate statement.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Page14

Well, and maybe for the special features.

They ain't that special, and they have shown what happens when they cram crap on a disc.
Would rather the Sony quality

[Mark Smith]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They ain't that special, and they have shown what happens when they cram crap on a disc.
Would rather the Sony quality

It's a 50 gb disc. Bonus features are mainly audio so I wouldn't be worried about compromising bit rate or space.

Also, again, having special features is a selling point for a lot of people, especially for a 30 year old title that one would assume we would never have any features beyond a trailer.

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I can't wait to listen to Tom Holland, Chris Sarandon and William Ragsdale's recollections on this film.

Peace out

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Mark Smith

It's a 50 gb disc. Bonus features are mainly audio so I wouldn't be worried about compromising bit rate or space.

Also, again, having special features is a selling point for a lot of people, especially for a 30 year old title that one would assume we would never have any features beyond a trailer.

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I can't wait to listen to Tom Holland, Chris Sarandon and William Ragsdale's recollections on this film.

Peace out

Heaven and EARTH was a bd50 also, how did that turn out?

Peace out

[Mark Smith]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Heaven and EARTH was a bd50 also, how did that turn out?

Peace out

O.K. Very good point on Heaven and Earth and i don't mean to dismiss anyones choice of quality over content.

For myself, as a fan of this film, these featues are important.

That's all I meant.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Mark Smith

O.K. Very good point on Heaven and Earth and i don't mean to dismiss anyones choice of quality over content.

For myself, as a fan of this film, these featues are important.

That's all I meant.

Fair enough

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Agreed... it was a joint studio/consumer murder/suicide. But let me ask you this... would you be willing to support 4K Blu-ray if the studios announced it with pricing in the $40-$60 range? If they really went after it and marketed/priced it in the same way they did in the LD days, as a true niche product that only was going to cater to the collector/enthusiast? Because that's the only way it's going to happen.

People who complain about Twilight Time are like the people in stores who complain because they're no longer getting some unintentional deal they'd been enjoying. They complain, "Well I've always paid next to nothing, so I'm offended that you've discovered your previous error." They don't enjoy and appreciate the deal they were inadvertently getting all this time and instead lock onto this entitlement they now feel. People shouldn't scowl at the occasional $30 title because they've been getting fantastic deals on nearly every OTHER title they buy. Just looking above, Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is currently selling on Amazon for $4.99. The &*CK(&@ DVD version is $6.59!!!!!!! In what world should that happen?

People shouldn't get pissed because Twilight Time titles are $30, they should be more grateful that all of the other titles AREN'T. Because they certainly could/might be eventually.

Putting aside whether I'd support 4K for the moment, I would be willing to pay that price only if the studios put forth the effort to actually market and invest in the product by releasing a premium product. Then again, I'm probably not the norm.

I've supported DVD and Blu-ray from the get go but I think I'm going to sit out 4K, at least for a while, but it has nothing to do with the pricing of the individual releases. I purchased DVDs back in the day when they where $25-$40 a release. I've also purchased my fair share of TT releases and I've enjoyed the occasional unintentional deal but I don't expect all titles to be released for such a low price point, especially so soon. Majority of the time, I pick up a product because I'm interested in owning and seeing a title not because of it's price. I wish the studios would set a price point, and stick with it, if it meant they'd release more titles. Disney is one studio which seems to have faired better at this.

For me, I think it's too early to be releasing a new format and I'm not so sure I'm ready to invest in all new equipment so soon. Without the new equipment an individual isn't going to reap all of the rewards of the new product. I'd much prefer the studios and manufacturers hold out until 8K is viable and then release one new format. In the mean time, the studios could focus on the current format but at this point that is unlikely.

I think equipment manufacturers, are also partially to blame, and have fueled this mindset by racing to the pricing bottom, and undercutting each other, to try and squeak out more market share than their competitors. Do they really need to release 10-20 new models per brand per year. What happened to focusing on quality. Do we really need all these new gimmicky new features each year. I believe that is ultimately unsustainable and over time quality suffers. Put out a few new, quality, models every so many years. Most people can't or aren't going to upgrade the most expensive items so frequently.

For me, I'd rather invest in a quality product, even if it's a bit more expensive. I'd prefer not to have to constantly purchase new equipment, unless it was my choice, because the product failed after a short period of time due to manufacturing a lesser quality product to met a lower price point. I've never understood why people get upset when they want a $50 Blu-ray player but then get upset when it breaks after 3 months or a year. Ultimately, the way I view it, you end up getting what you pay for in the end.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Mark Smith

If TT didn't think anyone would want special features, they would not have produced them.

Considering the main bonus features are 2 audio commentaries with the cast and director, I would be surprised if it ended up on Youtube.

Do we have any details on the two commentaries? I just assumed they were the same two that have been available for awhile in mp3. You know - the Icons of Fright ones?

[Page14]

Originally Posted by Mark Smith

It's a 50 gb disc. Bonus features are mainly audio so I wouldn't be worried about compromising bit rate or space.

Also, again, having special features is a selling point for a lot of people, especially for a 30 year old title that one would assume we would never have any features beyond a trailer.

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I can't wait to listen to Tom Holland, Chris Sarandon and William Ragsdale's recollections on this film.

Peace out

I guess I'm in that minority too. Special features are always important to me.

[Sho-Nuff]

Originally Posted by Page14

I guess I'm in that minority too. Special features are always important to me.

Special Features are VERY important to me. Every movie i purchase the main selling point are the special features. I thought majority of collectors thought that way.....i guess i was wrong.

If this movie didn't have the Special Features i would have passed on paying the $35.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Cliff

That's unsustainable.

Blu-ray is already about halfway to sticking around as long as laserdisc, isn't it? And chances are pretty good BD's got more than a few years left in it.

And BD household penetration is what? Twenty or more times higher than laserdisc's high water mark of 2% household penetration?

I dunno, this 'suicide race to the bottom' seems to be at least as sustainable as laserdisc and from a consumer standpoint it's pretty freaking awesome. There's a great selection, more are coming every day and titles have never been more affordable.

I mean, you are right about one thing. Pissing and moaning about a handful of titles that are priced significantly higher than most other titles - though not ridiculously high - is a pretty good problem to have.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Putting aside whether I'd support 4K for the moment, I would be willing to pay that price only if the studios put forth the effort to actually market and invest in the product by releasing a premium product. Then again, I'm probably not the norm.

I've supported DVD and Blu-ray from the get go but I think I'm going to sit out 4K, at least for a while, but it has nothing to do with the pricing of the individual releases. I purchased DVDs back in the day when they where $25-$40 a release. I've also purchased my fair share of TT releases and I've enjoyed the occasional unintentional deal but I don't expect all titles to be released for such a low price point, especially so soon. Majority of the time, I pick up a product because I'm interested in owning and seeing a title not because of it's price. I wish the studios would set a price point, and stick with it, if it meant they'd release more titles. Disney is one studio which seems to have faired better at this.

For me, I think it's too early to be releasing a new format and I'm not so sure I'm ready to invest in all new equipment so soon. Without the new equipment an individual isn't going to reap all of the rewards of the new product. I'd much prefer the studios and manufacturers hold out until 8K is viable and then release one new format. In the mean time, the studios could focus on the current format but at this point that is unlikely.

I think equipment manufacturers, are also partially to blame, and have fueled this mindset by racing to the pricing bottom, and undercutting each other, to try and squeak out more market share than their competitors. Do they really need to release 10-20 new models per brand per year. What happened to focusing on quality. Do we really need all these new gimmicky new features each year. I believe that is ultimately unsustainable and over time quality suffers. Put out a few new, quality, models every so many years. Most people can't or aren't going to upgrade the most expensive items so frequently.

For me, I'd rather invest in a quality product, even if it's a bit more expensive. I'd prefer not to have to constantly purchase new equipment, unless it was my choice, because the product failed after a short period of time due to manufacturing a lesser quality product to met a lower price point. I've never understood why people get upset when they want a $50 Blu-ray player but then get upset when it breaks after 3 months or a year. Ultimately, the way I view it, you end up getting what you pay for in the end.

lots of really good posts the last couple pages, I will also wait on 4k.... with all the info shared (weak sales, focusing on downloads, etc)... does anyone really believe or have confidence that yet another format has any chance of being successul??? I just don't see how it's possible...

so I guess my future is going back full circle to my laserdisc days when I thought it was a flat out "bargain" when a laserdisc was on sale for $29.99 at Tower records.... this is where a lot of catalog titles will be going apparently....

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by octagon

Blu-ray is already about halfway to sticking around as long as laserdisc, isn't it? And chances are pretty good BD's got more than a few years left in it.

And BD household penetration is what? Twenty or more times higher than laserdisc's high water mark of 2% household penetration?

I dunno, this 'suicide race to the bottom' seems to be at least as sustainable as laserdisc and from a consumer standpoint it's pretty freaking awesome. There's a great selection, more are coming every day and titles have never been more affordable.

I mean, you are right about one thing. Pissing and moaning about a handful of titles that are priced significantly higher than most other titles - though not ridiculously high - is a pretty good problem to have.

Consumers, especially in America, are switching to digital downloads and streaming faster than road runner on speed. The only way physical media is going to survive after a decade is by catering to niche collectors with a premium price-point.

Companies like Twilight Time and Scream Factory are only going to grow in importance as time goes by. Smaller outfits like them selling niche-targeted and priced editions of classics like this is the way of the future. I would also bet 4k discs are priced rather high, and at least try to stay that way.

[Ray O. Blu]

I'm surprised that this sold out so fast without including a magnet!

[ScorpionReleasing]

Originally Posted by octagon

Blu-ray is already about halfway to sticking around as long as laserdisc, isn't it? And chances are pretty good BD's got more than a few years left in it..

Lserdiscs survived for about 21 years, if memory serves me correct.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The only way physical media is going to survive after a decade is by catering to niche collectors with a premium price-point.

Or broadcast and streaming consumers can bear the brunt of the fixed costs of digitizing films and television shows and physical media consumers can continue to cheaply ride their coattails.

Will Kino and Olive and Scream/Shout and Criterion and Image all fold their tents or become TT clones? Perhaps. Will Universal and Warner and Fox shutter their distribution divisions and shuffle everything over to TT and its coming clones? Perhaps.

But honestly, I'm not really sweating any of that just yet. For all the doom and gloom there are plenty of BDs to choose from and there are more coming every day. We've been hearing for years that the catalog market is at death's door and catalog choices keep getting better and better.

Will this continue indefinitely? No, nothing ever does.

But we've already had ten (actually, what is it, nine this summer?) great years and there's no reason - all the doom and gloom aside - to believe that it doesn't have at least five or ten more in it.

That's a pretty damn good run for something that we're being told was doomed from the start.