Sony Black Crush on late-2014 / early-2015 BDs

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by AlexBC

Thanks everyone for all the great contributions in this thread, specially James Luckard and jscoggins!

To add some information to this thread, I checked the recently released Sony Brazilian discs for Fury and The Interview and they are also fixed and region A.

I'll check Annie soon, but I think it's also fixed up.

BTW, does anyone else also thinks the original Annie is also affected?
I don't think it's one of the worst offenders, but it looks kinda like Troop Beverly Hills and My Girl.

Actually, I think some other recent Sony catalogs might have it to some degree. Titles iike: The Remains of the Day, The Age Of Innocence, Christine and Ghostbusters 4k.

Ghostbusters 4k
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich
(the whole left side of the image is severelly affected)

Annie (1982)

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich


The Remains of the Day
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich

(the DVD also seems affected)

Agreed with the others, but the orignal BD of Ghostbustors was contrast boosted which revealed background information that was not suppose to be seen. It also made the stop-motion garbage mattes unbearable.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Agreed with the others, but the orignal BD of Ghostbustors was contrast boosted which revealed background information that was not suppose to be seen. It also made the stop-motion garbage mattes unbearable.

Yeah, but look at the trees, they're just a black blob in the 4K BD.

[Geoff D]

Oh, great. Now every movie with a bit of crushed shadow detail is faulty. See, I don't mind it when actual problems are brought to light, but the inevitable side effect is that people start seeing the DNR/black crush/latest buzz word everywhere.

I saw Ghostbusters on a 2K DCP and I can assure you the gamma was far more in keeping with the new 4K transfer than the horribly contrasty original Blu-ray. But now it looks like "crap". Whatever.

[Naiera]

There's definitely nothing wrong with the new Ghostbusters transfer. It's about as good as it gets for an eighties movie.

[Bk_Tan]

lol @ Ghostbusters making the list so belatedly.

Might as well throw every Sony film there and start new topics for every release of all the problems.

[chip75]

Remember that the SONY discs affected don't have crushed-blacks because of poor mastering they have it due to the incorrect RGB level been encoded, it's 16-235 and not 0-255. The crushed-blacks are just a bi-product. If Ghostbusters was affected, it would look like this:

Full 0-255 Blu-ray Top - Limited 16-235 Blu-ray Bottom




Full 0-255 Blu-ray Top - Limited 16-235 Blu-ray Bottom




Full 0-255 Blu-ray Top - Limited 16-235 Blu-ray Bottom

I don't think we need to start seeing the boogeymen in the shadows (or the lack of them) with every other SONY release. If SONY use the same master in two regions and then there's a difference, then red flags should be waved, but comparing two different transfers from two different masters isn't the best way to judge!

[Geoff D]

Exactly right chip. The crush in the new GB transfer is the result of new timing, NOT the genuine mastering error seen on Fury, Annie etc.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

You're right, Ghostbusters 4K looks like crap.

I never liked the transfer of the stand-alone release, but that was before we really started talking about black crush.

However, I think Sony also released it a second time as a Mi4K BD. Is that one fixed?

Ghostbusters needs to be removed from the OP.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, great. Now every movie with a bit of crushed shadow detail is faulty. See, I don't mind it when actual problems are brought to light, but the inevitable side effect is that people start seeing the DNR/black crush/latest buzz word everywhere.

I saw Ghostbusters on a 2K DCP and I can assure you the gamma was far more in keeping with the new 4K transfer than the horribly contrasty original Blu-ray. But now it looks like "crap". Whatever.

I've thought it looks like crap since screencaps first appeared.

Originally Posted by Bk_Tan

Might as well throw every Sony film there and start new topics for every release of all the problems.

It's tempting. I think I own only one or two Sony BDs.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

I've thought it looks like crap since screencaps first appeared.

The MI4K version of Ghostbusters does not have black crush. The original 2K release and even the most recent DVD had contrast boosting. When you compare them to the MI4 release one would think it has black crush, but of course it does not.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

The MI4K version of Ghostbusters does not have black crush. The original 2K release and even the most recent DVD had contrast boosting. When you compare them to the MI4 release one would think it has black crush, but of course it does not.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

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I stand by my last post. You are assuming those details should be seen because we saw them in the original contrast boosted release.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I stand by my last post. You are assuming those details should be seen because we saw them in the original contrast boosted release.

You guys spewed the same nonsense about Fury.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

You guys spewed the same nonsense about Fury.

Except that the VUDU copy of Ghostbusters looks exactly like the MI4K disc.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Except that the VUDU copy of Ghostbusters looks exactly like the MI4K disc.

That just means that VUDU got the same transfer as the BD.

[Geoff D]

Doesn't mean you were intended to see it. The other movies in this thread have been affected by a quantifiable problem, that of a double application of the video level conversion from PC levels, whereas applying the same conversion to Ghostbusters does not result in the same level of crush. That implies that it's a genuine grading decision - the higher gamma helping to hide the seams better in the VFX shots - and as such is simply an aesthetic concern. Lumping it in with the properly affected titles is disingenuous to say the least.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Doesn't mean you were intended to see it. The other movies in this thread have been affected by a quantifiable problem, that of a double application of the video level conversion from PC levels, whereas applying the same conversion to Ghostbusters does not result in the same level of crush. That implies that it's a genuine grading decision - the higher gamma helping to hide the seams better in the VFX shots - and as such is simply an aesthetic concern. Lumping it in with the properly affected titles is disingenuous to say the least.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

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[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

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Different film.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Different film.

I was using it to express my feelings, not my thoughts.