If it was filmed/mastered in 2k, I refuse to watch it in UHD

[TheHutt]

Hello,

This is a counter-thread to the existing "crappy BluRay" one. Fact is, many of the blockbusters from recent years announced now for release in 4K were either shot in 2K, or the Digital Intermediate/post-production pipeline was done in 2K. So in fact, for those titles, 4K offers no higher resolution than the standard BluRay.

Of course, some will reason about how UHD is more than just 4K because of HFR™, HDR™ etc. However, these are but negligible gimmicks. HDR cannot be just retro-fitted on older titles, and HFR is, well, rather controversial. So the baseline of this thread is: If a title is marketed as being in 4K, it should offer native 4K. Period.

Interestingly, older titles shot on film seem to be actually better off, as they can be just scanned in 4K resolution.

[StingingVelvet]

Not sure why I would refuse to watch a nice upscale, but I wouldn't say I was excited about it either. In some cases though, like The Martian, it seems they are going back in and using 4k footage with upscaled effects, which is cool.

Either way the format has to prove it's sticking around for me to buy-in.

[joie]

Can ordinary Blu-ray express the tonal range and color gamut captured by film? Digital? If not, why couldn't HDR be used to get home video closer to what was captured by the film/sensor?

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by joie

Can ordinary Blu-ray express the tonal range and color gamut captured by film? Digital? If not, why couldn't HDR be used to get home video closer to what was captured by the film/sensor?

I watched The Hateful Eight on 70mm a couple of weeks ago, took a long trip to get the 70mm experience. It was the first time I've watched a theatrical film presentation in a long time. I have to say that I certainly didn't experience a whole new world of colors I'm not used to when I watch blu rays at home. Looked to me that a blu ray could do a pretty good job of replicating the colors.

But I definitely did notice better contrast than I experience at home when candles and other sharp sources of light were shown. I don't know how much of that is to my TV not being good enough.

[Jegærn]

Will not buy into the 4k stuff myself. It is nice to watch proper 4k content on a proper solid 4k tv though, but if I want upgrades, I want all the same as 1080p only better! Now that they have removed the posibillity of 4k 3D on the discs, there is simply no way in hell I`m gonna invest in the format. It is a dealbreaker for me. I have invested alot in my own home cinema room, with a 1080p 3D projector and a huge surround sound setup. The 3D on my setup is spectacular. Zero ghosting! Taking away the 3D posibility is just horrible.

[42041]

Well, 1080p is not 2K and quality lost to scaling and compression is not insignificant, but they goofed up on the spec when they didn't allow the unscaled DCP resolutions. The whole format seems ill-conceived to me and I'm not gonna rush out to support it.

[mogwai_macabre]

I love how everyone is swearing one side of the fence or another, without actually having seen a single movie on the new format.

I'll purchase whatever version looks the best for my favorite movies, and consider the cost/quality ratio for others.

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by mogwai_macabre

I love how everyone is swearing one side of the fence or another, without actually having seen a single movie on the new format.

I'll purchase whatever version looks the best for my favorite movies, and consider the cost/quality ratio for others.

Given that this is a movie enthusiast forum, I'm sure a number of folks here will change their tune when they have the audio and video gear to take advantage of the higher-rez discs, title availability has widened, and players have come down in price. Whether or not the general public will do the same is questionable as I don't really see UHD expanding beyond the more committed current blu ray collectors.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by mogwai_macabre

I love how everyone is swearing one side of the fence or another, without actually having seen a single movie on the new format.

I'll purchase whatever version looks the best for my favorite movies, and consider the cost/quality ratio for others.

Yes of course, and I'm sure we all would, if we had bags of money to spare...

[TheHutt]

Originally Posted by 42041

Well, 1080p is not 2K and quality lost to scaling and compression is not insignificant

I suppose the difference between 2048 and 1920 pixels is negligible.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by TheHutt

I suppose the difference between 2048 and 1920 pixels is negligible.

In less you have a huge projector or sit really close to your 2160p TV yes the resolution is not really all that noticeable. You will most likely notice a bigger difference with your TV if you have high dynamic range (HDR) and a wider colour gamut say P3.

[Alan A]

Films in theaters are graded P3/DCP which is superior to rec709 as used in Blu-Ray so UHD Blu-Ray with HDR using the P3/DCP can in fact as you say be retro-fitted rather easily. IMHO HDR is the best feature to come to Home Theater since HD. 99% of TV's sold 50" and larger will be 4K and the premium models having HDR try and find a 1080P tv in 2017

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by Alan A

try and find a 1080P tv in 2017

I think we all know that...

it will just be interesting to see how much 4k content we have in 2017.