Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Penton-Man]

^ https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/me...020-12-508.pdf

[Pondosinatra]

Once again, a record breaking day in Alberta.

Our province has the most active cases in Canada.

And I can't go into detail for fear of getting banned, but our government just pissed away another 100 Billion - money that while everyone else seemingly gets to partake in - I don't get any benefit - yet I'll be paying for it for decades to come.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

I'm skeptical about the vaccine and even the thought of being injected with it. It was developed in a matter of months, rushed to the market and the pharmaceuticals aren't held responsible whatever happens? Not very reassuring.

But it has not been developed FROM SCRATCH in this time. Years and years of work has gone into these vaccines, and pioneering work that was already going on was ingeniously re-purposed to target Covid. If that work hadn't been happening starting ages ago, we would be years away from a Covid vaccine.

The word "rushed" implies short-cuts were taken and vital checks and balances were skipped. Nothing could be further from the truth. The process has been compressed in a timeline manner (eg Phase 3 trials started during the Phase 2 trials when enough data was available to prove safety, instead of waiting years between Phase 2 and Phase 3). Everyone is acutely aware of the need to do everything properly. Nothing that increases risk will be done.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

As long as that's not mandatory, then it shouldn't be a problem by itself.

I'm skeptical about the vaccine and even the thought of being injected with it. It was developed in a matter of months, rushed to the market and the pharmaceuticals aren't held responsible whatever happens? Not very reassuring.

I saw a report on CNN a couple of days ago where someone said the vaccine for COVID-19 was developed in 2 days way back in January. Scary thought but when you factor in that work on messenger RNA is several years old, it's not a scary thought anymore. And the reason it seems that the vaccine was "rushed" to market is because the US government provided more than a billion dollars. Without that money, development would've taken many months longer. I'm fairly confident in this vaccine (I'd prefer the Moderna version even though it's basically the same as Pfizer's) and would take it without hesitation. Think of it this way: They're planning to vaccinate medical personnel first. If this vaccine weren't safe, don't you think risking the lives of hundreds of doctors, nurses, techs, etc., potentially leaving a medical vacuum, would be a bad idea?

[dublinbluray108]

The Rep. of Ireland has made an advance purchase agreement of 875,000 vaccines from Moderna today. Irish media reports say that the vaccines will be delivered in the early new year once Moderna get approval from the European Medicines Authority on any date from Jan 12th.

Ireland is also signed up to receive 4 other vaccines including Pfizer. The EMA will hold a EGM on approving the Pfizer vaccine on December 29th.

[ltb2.0]

Idaho's reached 100,000.

Go us...

And I'm getting a little more paranoid everyday as I'm watching the spiral
get closer and closer around me.

[Scottishguy]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-use-in-the-uk

[Member-244966]

I'm really happy to hear about the vaccine coming to the UK. Obviously it's not going to be an immediate reset, but it's certainly a good start and I hope it won't be too long before other countries can get it as well.

[Member-222782]

Are we going to have a choice of which company's vaccine we get? Does it matter? I'd like the one with the highest efficacy rate (Moderna) but if they're all using the same tech (messenger RNA) then I guess it won't matter. Just don't give me AstraZeneca's.

[Batman1980]

British officials authorized a COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use on Wednesday, greenlighting the world’s first shot against the virus that’s backed by rigorous science and taking a major step toward eventually ending the pandemic.

The go-ahead for the vaccine developed by American drugmaker Pfizer and Germany’s BioNTech comes as the virus surges again in the United States and Europe, putting pressure on hospitals and morgues in some places and forcing new rounds of restrictions that have devastated economies.

Source - KRQE.com

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Are we going to have a choice of which company's vaccine we get? Does it matter? I'd like the one with the highest efficacy rate (Moderna) but if they're all using the same tech (messenger RNA) then I guess it won't matter. Just don't give me AstraZeneca's.

Other countries aren’t far behind: Regulators in the United States and the European Union also are vetting the Pfizer shot along with a similar vaccine made by competitor Moderna Inc. British regulators also are considering another shot made by AstraZeneca and Oxford University.

Source - KRQE.com

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Are we going to have a choice of which company's vaccine we get? Does it matter? I'd like the one with the highest efficacy rate (Moderna) but if they're all using the same tech (messenger RNA) then I guess it won't matter. Just don't give me AstraZeneca's.

No one on here is weirded out by how mRNA actually works???

[Batman1980]

Personally I'm mortified vaccines are getting uber fast tracked like this. However it appears (other than maybe AstraZeneca's) they're all being thoroughly validated. Hopefully whatever ill effects there will be from getting them out faster than maybe they should be will be off-set by the benefits of saving thousands of lives and returning life to some semblance of normal.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Personally I'm mortified vaccines are getting uber fast tracked like this. However it appears (other than maybe AstraZeneca's) they're all being thoroughly validated. Hopefully whatever ill effects there will be from getting them out faster than maybe they should be will be off-set by the benefits of saving thousands of lives and returning life to some semblance of normal.

Side effects may not be known for months, maybe years ahead. The thing that puts my mind at ease is that first responders/medical professionals will be among the first to get the vaccine - all 21 million in the US alone. The FDA hasn't gone through their process of vetting the data (maybe they haven't even started). I'm confident that the FDA won't purposely endanger the lives of so many vital people by approving a vaccine that isn't ready to be distributed. The fast tracking had me a bit concerned at first but then I learned about Operation Warp Speed. Essentially, billions of dollars was provided for clinical trials on an accelerated level, which enabled scientists to come up with results in a much shorter time span. It was an unprecedented undertaking but the urgency was obviously needed.

[MifuneFan]

Pfizer, who looks to be first out the gates with their vaccine, wasn't part of Operation Warp Speed as far as their development and research of the vaccine went. They are only part of it to the extent that the US Gov't essentially "pre-ordered" 100 million doses of it if it was shown to be effective.

[Steedeel]

Penton Man, have you or yours heard of any possible link with the COVID vaccine and potential cancer risk? Heard this several times from several people all claiming that someone in their family works in hospitals and has come across this rumour. It’s a pretty dangerous rumour and hopefully nonsense!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Penton Man, have you or yours heard of any possible link with the COVID vaccine and potential cancer risk? Heard this several times from several people all claiming that someone in their family works in hospitals and has come across this rumour.

I have not, nor has my wife heard of such a link, she keeping a pretty close eye on the arsenal for fighting COVID-19, for example, as follows in my next post, once I find the article she told me about a few days ago -

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

I wonder why you're positive on this experimental treatment (regeneron) and against a different experimental treatment (plasma).
The only difference I can see is that you've taken regeneron and not plasma.

Well done randomized, control trial on the use of convalescent plasma published last week in the NEJM -
A Randomized Trial of Convalescent Plasma in Covid-19 Severe Pneumonia
https://www.nejm.org/action/cookieAbsent
concluded –

In our trial, the use of convalescent plasma therapy in addition to standard treatment in patients with severe pneumonia due to Covid-19 did not reduce mortality or improve other clinical outcomes at day 30 as compared with placebo. We believe the use of convalescent plasma as a standard of care in such patients should be reevaluated. Further studies regarding antibody therapy may be best focused on other populations or on interventions with other types of preparations, such as intravenous immunoglobulin or anti–SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies.

[Penton-Man]

In conjunction with my past comments weeks ago about employers and their mandating COVID-19 vaccination, like so –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

employers have the right to require employees to get a COVID-19 vaccine, keeping in mind the caveats I listed above. Unfortunately, in light of exemptions and the risk of meritless discrimination claimed by unscrupulous employees, some/many? employers may ultimately choose to take the easier path and simply encourage employees to take the COVID-19 vaccine rather than to mandate it.

If the vaccines pass FDA approval, my feeling on this is the same as with states stepping up to require that parents vaccinate their children against various diseases, including polio and measles, as a prerequisite to enrolling them in public schools, which is a good thing, because the presence of too many unvaccinated children presents a clear public health risk as will COVID-19 unvaccinated adults. The safety of COVID-19 vaccination for children is yet to be determined.

and future public service announcements to encourage adults to get the vaccine, these topics came up as a new discussion with an expert in the field of public health and infectious disease just last night on the 11th hour –

Should The Covid Vaccine Be Mandatory? | The 11th Hour | MSNBC - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Steed, as a follow-up to the last page, a question (as nobody really knows the answer at this point) that is being pondered by some clinicians and medical theorists is how well will a particular COVID-19 vaccine work in people who are needing to be and already are purposefully immunosuppressed such as transplant patients, some patients undergoing therapy for their cancer, rheumatological diseases, etc. as such therapies may impede their immune systems’ ability to optimally develop protective immune response to COVID-19 upon vaccine administration.

And thusly how/when to time them for receiving the vaccine in relation to their concurrent therapies for other illnesses.