Starship Troopers 4K UHD (1997) (20th Anniversary Edition)

[saprano]

That's not smart thinking.

If they remaster 1080p blurays and include it with the 4K version they'll get people like me to buy it for the 1080p while having the 4K for when the eventual 4K TV purchase is made. That's what i was going to do with Blade Runner until i found out it had the same 2007 bluray. They lost a sale from me.

Buy leaving a dated master as is and only focusing on 4K they're making 1080p owners feel ignored which means less 4K sales.

EDIT-

For the record......Bluray and UHD Bluray are part of the same family. The names should give you a hint. Comparisons keep being made with DVD and bluray and those arguments are flawed. Alot of remasters wouldn't even be worth it for DVD. Not so with bluray.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by saprano

That's not smart thinking.

If they remaster 1080p blurays and include it with the 4K version they'll get people like me to buy it for the 1080p while having the 4K for when the eventual 4K TV purchase is made. That's what i was going to do with Blade Runner until i found out it had the same 2007 bluray. They lost a sale from me.

Buy leaving a dated master as is and only focusing on 4K they're making 1080p owners feel ignored which means less 4K sales.

EDIT-

For the record......Bluray and UHD Bluray are part of the same family. The names should give you a hint. Comparisons keep being made with DVD and bluray and those arguments are flawed. Alot of remasters wouldn't even be worth it for DVD. Not so with bluray.

I understand why you're annoyed. But, if they added a standard BD with all releases many would never upgrade. Afterall it is a business. Also, many of the UHD releases stem from the same master as the standard BD like Blade Runner.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by saprano

That's not smart thinking.

If they remaster 1080p blurays and include it with the 4K version they'll get people like me to buy it for the 1080p while having the 4K for when the eventual 4K TV purchase is made. That's what i was going to do with Blade Runner until i found out it had the same 2007 bluray. They lost a sale from me.

Buy leaving a dated master as is and only focusing on 4K they're making 1080p owners feel ignored which means less 4K sales.

EDIT-

For the record......Bluray and UHD Bluray are part of the same family. The names should give you a hint. Comparisons keep being made with DVD and bluray and those arguments are flawed. Alot of remasters wouldn't even be worth it for DVD. Not so with bluray.

By losing your sale, someone who actually owns a 4k tv and player was able to watch and actually use the Blade Runner 4k disk. I'm honestly fine with that.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

I understand why you're annoyed. But, if they added a standard BD with all releases many would never upgrade. Afterall it is a business. Also, many of the UHD releases stem from the same master as the standard BD like Blade Runner.

They already have blurays included. That's normal practice. What's being asked is if a remastered 4K is being done, the 1080p should be too. If a studio doesn't want to do stand alone bluray release, then include it with the 4K. They can't lose. They'll have current 1080p owners AND 4K owners buying the 4K version. WB did this with Unforgiven but not Blade Runner which makes no sense to me seeing how Blade Runner would sell infinitely more copies than Unforgiven. Looks like they're going the same route with TDK trilogy. Plenty of people want updated transfers for Batman Begins and TDK. Again, if they don't want a separate bluray just put it with the 4K trilogy.

Blade Runner is the same 4K master but it's 10 years old and was limited by HDDVD. It's not the best it could look.

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

By losing your sale, someone who actually owns a 4k tv and player was able to watch and actually use the Blade Runner 4k disk. I'm honestly fine with that.

Lost sale is a lost sale. Used or not.

[Zero_Cool]

Anyone else having issues with getting your digital code to work? I keep getting error messages saying to try again.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Call me an a-hole...

[Show spoiler]
You're spot on with that idea. Newest format should have the best source.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

Anyone else having issues with getting your digital code to work? I keep getting error messages saying to try again.

Mines not working.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by saprano

That's not smart thinking.

If they remaster 1080p blurays and include it with the 4K version they'll get people like me to buy it for the 1080p while having the 4K for when the eventual 4K TV purchase is made. That's what i was going to do with Blade Runner until i found out it had the same 2007 bluray. They lost a sale from me.

Sure, but for every one of you there might be another (or multiple others!) who wants to see an improved Blade Runner so badly they rush their upgrade plans. Also the more exclusives you pile up, the more people want to get into it. Long-term I think that's a lot more important.

[Mierzwiak]

My copy arrived today, I've seen few minutes jumping from chapter to chapter.

Looks better than I expected, love the colors and grain, HDR looks amazing too.

[Geoff D]

I love the look of the bug plasma in HDR, it's not enough to burn your eyeballs out tanker-bug-style but it adds a lovely touch of realism to effects which were already stellar (pun intended).

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

I understand why you're annoyed. But, if they added a standard BD with all releases many would never upgrade. Afterall it is a business. Also, many of the UHD releases stem from the same master as the standard BD like Blade Runner.

How many never upgraded from DVD? Most of them it seems, since DVDs are still the format of choice retail stores choose to stock for any given title, as ridiculous as that is. They should have retired DVDs ages ago for everything except older TV series that won't be getting HD transfers.

But one thing I'll say is DVD has a reason to be retired - it doesn't hold up well on today's TVs. That's not true of blu-ray. Blu-rays still look incredible on my 55" UHD set. So I don't think they should be punishing people who have upgraded to blu-ray but not yet to UHD. That would just be hurting further physical sales. Do we really want that? If they try to force people into a format they just aren't interested in, they will just lose more physical media supporters. I'm 47 and thankfully my eyes are still capable of seeing the improvement of UHD over standard blu-ray, but I bet by the time I'm in my 60's I won't care about the new "16k" format they'll be trying to push, not because it might not be "better", but because my eyes literally won't care at that point. Many people already feel 1080p offers quality high enough that they are happy with what they have without buying into another format. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be getting the new remasters or new releases on blu-ray. Blu-ray is still a very capable and valid format. They should not be ignoring it now just to try and boost another format.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

[Show spoiler]
You're spot on with that idea. Newest format should have the best source.

So people who stick with blu-ray should get stuck with older masters of big Hollywood movies for no reason other than as a punishment for not going UHD, while smaller studios like Arrow give us wonderful new 4k masters on blu-ray of 80's horror films? How does that make any sense? There is zero reason for not releasing newer 4k masters on blu-ray.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Sure, but for every one of you there might be another (or multiple others!) who wants to see an improved Blade Runner so badly they rush their upgrade plans. Also the more exclusives you pile up, the more people want to get into it. Long-term I think that's a lot more important.

Do we really want to start playing that game and risk losing more people to streaming?

UHD supporters already get exclusive benefits - 4k resolution , HDR, and an expanded color palette. That's plenty of reasons to upgrade for those who want the very best image quality possible. People shouldn't have to watch old dated masters on a high-quality format like blu-ray "just because".

The newest masters should be available on both blu-ray and UHD. If not, they risk alienating even more people who currently support physical media. In their quest to push more people towards UHD, they may instead push them towards streaming instead. That will hurt all of us who support physical media.

[jono3000]

Received my copy in the UK today from Amazon, quick delivery even on the cheapest option.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mar3o

So people who stick with blu-ray should get stuck with older masters of big Hollywood movies for no reason other than as a punishment for not going UHD, while smaller studios like Arrow give us wonderful new 4k masters on blu-ray of 80's horror films? How does that make any sense? There is zero reason for not releasing newer 4k masters on blu-ray.

But it's not the same situation because Arrow are rarely re-releasing their own product in this fashion, they're doing these 4K remasters right out of the gate as far as their particular catalogue is concerned. But when Sony, Universal, Warners et al have already got a disc out there then it's easier for them to just pack it in.

I sound like a broken record but the lack of a standalone 20th anni Blu-ray is the REAL mystery here. I can only think that, between the UHDs of Traitor of Mars and the movie proper plus the BD release of Traitor, they thought that an anniversary BD for the movie might get a bit lost in the shuffle. OR they spent too much money on that crap light up box for CE3K and they had to sacrifice something somewhere.

[jonam]

Is the blu ray included the corrected disc that Sony released later or the botched disc?

[nas6034]

so can anyone comment on the 4K quality of the film?

[Geoff D]

Yeah, it's great. Buy it.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by mar3o

How many never upgraded from DVD? Most of them it seems, since DVDs are still the format of choice retail stores choose to stock for any given title, as ridiculous as that is. They should have retired DVDs ages ago for everything except older TV series that won't be getting HD transfers.

But one thing I'll say is DVD has a reason to be retired - it doesn't hold up well on today's TVs. That's not true of blu-ray. Blu-rays still look incredible on my 55" UHD set. So I don't think they should be punishing people who have upgraded to blu-ray but not yet to UHD. That would just be hurting further physical sales. Do we really want that? If they try to force people into a format they just aren't interested in, they will just lose more physical media supporters. I'm 47 and thankfully my eyes are still capable of seeing the improvement of UHD over standard blu-ray, but I bet by the time I'm in my 60's I won't care about the new "16k" format they'll be trying to push, not because it might not be "better", but because my eyes literally won't care at that point. Many people already feel 1080p offers quality high enough that they are happy with what they have without buying into another format. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be getting the new remasters or new releases on blu-ray. Blu-ray is still a very capable and valid format. They should not be ignoring it now just to try and boost another format.

I get it. I'm not saying standard BD doesn't look good anymore because it does. But, UHD is a new format with more benefits. I've said many times in these threads that I wouldn't upgrade but when I see my favourite films get the best possible home video release I had to. If someone wants the best transfer available then they need to upgrade. If they are happy with their current setups and gear more power to them but I won't feel sorry for them because it's their decision. If people want it bad enough they'll upgrade. I did.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by mar3o

So people who stick with blu-ray should get stuck with older masters of big Hollywood movies for no reason other than as a punishment for not going UHD, while smaller studios like Arrow give us wonderful new 4k masters on blu-ray of 80's horror films? How does that make any sense? There is zero reason for not releasing newer 4k masters on blu-ray.

Cost? Limited interest because people already have the movie and a lot are loathe to upgrade in the same format?
Is Arrow releasing those 4K masters onto UHD?


Again, it would be different if Sony had released a standalone remastered Blu and kept the original disc inside the UHD.