HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

....they always have to CG in detail to highlights like fire and windows to make up for all the clipped detail.

Bringing out the detail related depth of this restaurant scene, i.e. the ability to see what was happening outside the window (if that is the artistic intent) which was demoed as mentioned in a post back in August 2015… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5607

was done by HDR color grading of the non-CGI principal photography from 2012……https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSQ1SB8JK7Y#t=1m42s, actually, making it even more impressive, by a colorist with little experience at the time with HDR color grading.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

...they always have to CG in detail to highlights like fire

Even easier than balancing indoor/outdoor scenes like thee above ^, is HDR grading fire, without the aid/supplementation of CGI depts.

For an example, contact Thomas at Fox… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5576 if by now that fire pit clip hasn’t leaked onto the internet or been leveraged by Samsung to sell their TVs since the date (Aug.2015) of that post.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....coming up in NYC next Wednesday….https://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/ev...ls.jsp/id/2480

And speaking of people using other fine 4K Fujinon lenses…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1327

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...for those not involved in that standards body work, this is a free webinar about HDR on Tuesday whose time works well for those across the pond…..
https://www.workcast.com/register?cp...eferrer=FB.Bst

For those who couldn’t receive last week's webinar due to technical difficulties , I’ll post a link to the recorded webinar when it becomes available.

[Robert Zohn]

Just started a thread about my NAB presentation on the new UHD/HDR TV System.

Here's the summary of my NAB session:

The New UHD, HDR, BT2020 Color Gamut, 10-bit Displays and EOTF TV System

Presented by Robert Zohn

Thursday. April 27| 11:00 AM - 11:30 AM | Room N258


Don’t miss this informative presentation on how the end user market has grown exponentially fueled by a compelling picture and audio advancements as a result of the new TV System.

The new UHD/HDR TV System has created the largest consumer demand for new TV purchases, which is far greater than the past two TV System upgrades where we moved from B&W to rec. 601 color in the mid fifties and the succeeding standards in 1997 when we moved from analog to digital Full HD with rec.709 color.

This presentation will discuss the advances in UHD that now include Dolby Vision HDR, HLG HDR, Technicolor HDR and HDR10 HDR, the new color gamuts, P3 aka DCI and rec.2020 as well as Electro Optical Transfer Function and 10-bit hardware panels.

The discussion will focus on consumers adoption of HDR and what and how content drives sales of the new UHD HDR displays and connected devices like UHD Blu-ray players and streaming, which currently drives this market.

We’ll cover how OLED and LCD/LED compete in this new market and what it takes to build the market and how broadcasters, streaming providers and Hollywood fit into the potential large growth market.

The presenter will review how consumer display tone map HDR’s peak luminance to their capability and how they perform with the enhanced BT.2020 color gamut, 10bit and EOTF.

The potential is unlimited for O&Os and Independent broadcasters to now take advantage of the consumer demand for HDR and WCG by delivering HLG HDR on their existing Full HD infrastructure and how this can be employed quickly with little to no capitol equipment investment by broadcasters and content providers.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

ICYMI, since I included the heads-up to readers in your neck of the woods below the YouTube clip - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1321, I recommend you attend the Philadelphia Section SMPTE meeting on HDR and pay attention to what Hugo has to say about that. Afterwards, if you still believe that the dynamic range of modern digital cameras is “really bad”, then I suggest you confront him with your opinion during the Q&A.

I don't "believe" anything man, I was sharing an anecdote from a director. Also I'm not into this techie stuff, never have been. It was just an amusing anecdote from a director I thought might be interesting for HDR discussion.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

NAB

Don’t forget that CEDIA this year is in that state to which I think you’ve said before you desire to retire. Never too early to book a reservation for America’s finest city , even though it’s after Labor Day.

And for fellow audiophile/videophile bikers who may be attending…..pack up dem bikes as the bike trails in and around San Diego are much more pleasurable than doing this …..http://schedule.sxsw.com/2017/events/FS22008

https://issuu.com/sonyprofessional/d...ta_magazine/56

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I don't "believe" anything man, I was sharing an anecdote from a director. Also I'm not into this techie stuff, never have been. It was just an amusing anecdote from a director I thought might be interesting for HDR discussion.

I understand now….sorry for that particular wording. My bad. I wrongly presumed from your writing you were advocating the director’s assertion. At least my response(s) precipitated a documented learning experience for new readers.

Sting, you’re welcome here anytime.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Don’t forget that CEDIA this year is in that state to which I think you’ve said before you desire to retire. Never too early to book a reservation for America’s finest city , even though it’s after Labor Day.

And for fellow audiophile/videophile bikers who may be attending…..pack up dem bikes as the bike trails in and around San Diego are much more pleasurable than doing this …..http://schedule.sxsw.com/2017/events/FS22008

https://issuu.com/sonyprofessional/d...ta_magazine/56

My wife and business partner, Wendy and I will be attending CEDIA 2017 in San Diego this September. Let's meet up!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

My wife and business partner, Wendy and I will be attending CEDIA 2017 in San Diego this September. Let's meet up!

Perhaps…. the social invitation is quite gracious and thank you for the gesture. I’ll also be there with my better half and I’ll let you know in PM. Keep in mind, while there I’ve already made several commitments all over town thru Friday of that week so just in case it doesn’t work out, bookmark my restaurant recommendations (you can take a convenient, short and fun ferry ride across the bay to Coronado), as they’re both favorite eateries among locals…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=8711

P.S.
Reservations not required, but highly advised so as not to endure what sometimes can be a prolonged wait to be seated.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

HDR....is quickly gaining momentum around the world

“the quality of the two HDR options are similar” - https://mobile.twitter.com/DVB_Proje...05220559806464

determined in independent testing presented today by https://www.linkedin.com/in/dagmar-driesnack-67b37770/ who is co-chair of the EBU SP-BHD working group, has previously led the EBU D/HDrec group and also active in DVB Project and SMPTE.

[Robert Zohn]

Thanks Penton-Man. We love Coroando and have visited several times. I'll try Alla Lucana, but my doctor recommends no Swordfish as it's high in Mercury. ):

[puddy77]

Technicolor has a article/podcast interview explaining and touting their recent HDR broadcast production of a Lakers game: http://thefuturetrust.technicolor.co...enver-nuggets/

This one used both SDR and HDR cameras, all edited in SLog3.

They also have a short BTS video of the production truck from that event:

https://youtu.be/7sIXKr_DCaY

[DanBa]

"Samsung officially announces HDR10 Plus dynamic tone-mapping standard, available on all 2017 Samsung QLED & UHD TVs."
https://twitter.com/Vincent_Teoh/sta...19368157409280

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by DanBa

"Samsung officially announces HDR10 Plus dynamic tone-mapping standard, available on all 2017 Samsung QLED & UHD TVs."
https://twitter.com/Vincent_Teoh/sta...19368157409280

[Show spoiler]

Seems that Vincent is at the Global Launch event in Paris. They also released a video of a US launch. It briefly mentions HDR10+ at the 23:33 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTKjdjYkX-c&feature=youtu.be&t=23m33s

They only spend a minute on it, and don't give any specifics about content, other than it being released to everyone.

[PaulGo]

HLG, Advanced HDR and the long road ahead for HDR broadcasts in the U.S.

...“We believe the inclusion of HDR capabilities in ATSC is very important. It will facilitate broadcast transmission of stunning images to the consumer,” Richer said.

...“I don’t see North America adopting HLG in the very near future. But I personally believe that there is merit in what the BBC and NHK have attempted to do with HLG. The idea of having something that is backwards compatible to an SDR television set is a really good thing. But it needs to be done very, very well to be successful. The SDR has to feel like it is within the 709 color space, and individuals have to feel like they’re not losing anything with the downconvert,” Jenkins said.

Advanced HDR is another option under development for delivering HDR content via broadcast.

...Advanced HDR is designed to be a distribution platform that can take in any form of content and ensure that it is accurately received by the backend device. That means it can take in HDR10, PQ or SDR, and all of it will get normalized.

Full article at:
http://www.fiercecable.com/broadcast...broadcasts-u-s

[Richard Paul]

Philips is going to support HDR10 and HLG but they won't support Dolby Vision or Philips/Technicolor HDR. That last bit was a surpise and my guess is that Philips and Technicolor had some kind of break up due to royalty issues. Granted if Technicolor HDR does poorly that might discourage companies from making more proprietary HDR formats.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1405...n-anytime-soon

Originally Posted by DanBa

"Samsung officially announces HDR10 Plus dynamic tone-mapping standard, available on all 2017 Samsung QLED & UHD TVs."
...

Okay, so it will be called HDR10 Plus.

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Philips is going to support HDR10 and HLG but they won't support Dolby Vision or Philips/Technicolor HDR. That last bit was a surpise and my guess is that Philips and Technicolor had some kind of break up due to royalty issues. Granted if Technicolor HDR does poorly that might discourage companies from making more proprietary HDR formats.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1405...n-anytime-soon

I think three different "Philips" companies are involved: Philips, Philips TP Vision and Philips Funai P&F USA.
https://ipscio.com/licensing-economi...and-tp-vision/

Philips TP Vision won't support Philips HDR, likely a technology of Philips.
http://www.ip.philips.com/licensing/...hdr-technology

Philips "P&F USA has detailed its latest lineup of Philips branded 4K Ultra HD TVs. The 2017 collection includes the 6000, 7000, and 8000 series. In addition, all models will feature Dolby Vision support out of the box."
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...-support/37677

[Tihom]

I just got a Samsung QLED monitor with sRGB 125%. Still not HDR. I find that surprising but understand that brightness might be the issue. Sucks.

[Penton-Man]

Although rarely seen or referenced on the internet, this is my favorite 2D color gamut chart (constructed by an Academy award winner and his partner)…