HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Getting To Know Dolby Vision HDR

Welcome back Salty. A few notes on the theatrical (Dolby Cinema) and home HDR versions of Guardians near the end of the article - https://www.hdvideopro.com/film-and-...ptic-dailies/#

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Jordan Vogt-Roberts says “F-ck no to LED cinema screens.” - https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/stat...69866276503552

Poor parental upbringing or a tough guy?, as he seems to use the f-word without hesitation.
Anyway, alternative opinions (without feeling the need for fruity language), by filmmakers who have seen it, rather than only reading articles about direct LED cinema screens -

Darren Aronofsky, Director of Mother, etc.
Tom Stern, Director of Photography Sully, etc.
David Brown. Lighting director probably best known for the Lord of the Rings films and Avatar
Dow Griffith, Location Manager for Ghost in a Shell, The Bourne Supremacy

Global Film Industry Professionals' Review about Samsung Cinema LED - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

Vudu news, HDR10 support → https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...hdr10-support/

[LordoftheRings]

...I was busy posting it in other internet forums...two dozens of them...minimum.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I often have difficulty in telling when you are serious, or “humorous with subtlety” sure.

I was mainly humorous in this instance here...the quote above yours.
But I did post the link on few other sites before I saw it here, so there was some part serious too, and I was busy too, on this subject, and on other subjects too.

The main thing is that the latest news on HDMI 2.1 got here. DanBa and you are two great contributors, among others.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davealt.../#2e013141242b

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Vudu news, HDR10 support → https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...hdr10-support/

...but STILL, only in America.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....near the end of the article - https://www.hdvideopro.com/film-and-...ptic-dailies/#

Reminds me, zmarty, you should see thee original ACES (SMPTE 2065) graded master of Meridian which Netflix has.
You would be even more blown away than with the master file Netflix was kind enough to provide you.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

...but STILL, only in America.

C'est la vie; the 3D force is with you, the Vudu HDR10 force is with us.
'Force 10 from Navarone' - you saw that flick?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HDMI 2.1

To get the latest on HDMI 2.1
Visit HDMI LA at CES 2018
LVCC South Hall 1, Booth 20542 or schedule a meeting contact vrobbins@hdmi.org

[Bladerunner5375]

HELP!! I just purchased a Sony 55xbr900e and I'm having problems with the HDR! I have two devices connected to the TV, and xbox One X and a Sony Ps4 Pro. I'm using HDMI ports 2&3 respectively. Now, here's the problem I'm having:

When using either device to play a game, the HDR won't turn on. I've turned on every setting I thought would make it work, but the strange thing is, the MENUS for both the PS4 and the XBOX are in HDR, but as soon as i insert a GAME and play, HDR is GONE. colors are drab, etc. When I then exit out of the game, the MENUS are NOT in HDR anymore!!

I even made sure the HDMI ports 2&3 had "enhanced" mode engaged, for HDR. the only time it truly LOOKS like I can get HDR when playing a game on EITHER system is when I turn OFF HDR on the game systems themselves, but leave ON HDR in the TV settings. Playing a 4k blu-ray on the xbox doesn't engage the HDR either. I"m pulling my hair out!

What the bloody blazes is going on here? Obviously the problem is the TV, not the video game systems. Any help you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Reminds me, zmarty, you should see thee original ACES (SMPTE 2065) graded master of Meridian which Netflix has.
You would be even more blown away than with the master file Netflix was kind enough to provide you.

What's the best way to fully appreciate this video, Meridian? Youtube HDR or on Netflix?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

[Geoff D]

What's the world coming to when Penton gets suspendered?

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What's the world coming to when Penton gets suspendered?

What the ... ?

[Fred Bang]

Haven't read the entire thread so sorry if coming off as a newbie: I just acquired a Sony x900e (with a ps4 pro) and quite pleased withthe HDR but realised that the Colors are much less colourful than SDR. I've read numerous report of people having washed out Colors so i guess it's normal? I'm pretty sure all my settings are ok so I assume hdr is meant to give a more realistic, less saturated and contrasted look to the picture?

[cochon]

Originally Posted by Fred Bang

Haven't read the entire thread so sorry if coming off as a newbie: I just acquired a Sony x900e (with a ps4 pro) and quite pleased withthe HDR but realised that the Colors are much less colourful than SDR. I've read numerous report of people having washed out Colors so i guess it's normal? I'm pretty sure all my settings are ok so I assume hdr is meant to give a more realistic, less saturated and contrasted look to the picture?

It shouldn't be washed out, perhaps under some circumstances yes but on the whole not.

If you only had the TV for a short time give it a little more time. You could also share the setting you are using here as I am sure there'll be no shortage of input.

Have you left most things at the factory default or changed some settings, if so which ones to what? What picture mode are you using? Any particular movies you have in mind that are washed out or is it just with games?

Answering those questions might be a start to work out what's causing your less than ideal picture.

[LordoftheRings]

HDR video support is coming to Chrome for Android soon

• http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/12...-android-soon/
• https://mobilesyrup.com/2017/12/04/h...hrome-android/

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

HDR video support is coming to Chrome for Android soon

• http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/12...-android-soon/

I tried to play HDR content on VuDu through Chromecast Ultra device connected to my Denon receiver and HDR looked like it was totally broken. Completely utterly unwatchable

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[Fred Bang]

Originally Posted by cochon

It shouldn't be washed out, perhaps under some circumstances yes but on the whole not.

If you only had the TV for a short time give it a little more time. You could also share the setting you are using here as I am sure there'll be no shortage of input.

Have you left most things at the factory default or changed some settings, if so which ones to what? What picture mode are you using? Any particular movies you have in mind that are washed out or is it just with games?

Answering those questions might be a start to work out what's causing your less than ideal picture.

"Washed out" might be pushing it, but there's certainly of shift to more muted colors when HDR kicks in. A good example is when you start Battlefront 2. Initially, in the playstation menus, the resolution seems to be using 2160p - RGB. When the game starts, I noticed the splash screen (with Darth Maul and Rey) has bright light sabers. Then the HDR kicks in and you clearly see the lightsabers becomes muted (at this point, the resolution is switched to the 2160p - YUV420). It's like if the colors got cranked down 5 points and the contrast also.

It happens also in "Horizon Zero Dawn". WHile using HDR in game, take a screenshot, then quit the game and go check the screenshot in the Screengrabs. The colors looks much more vibrant (almost cartoony)

I'm not saying it looks necessarily bad in game, but am just wondering if it's normal.

As for my settings:

PS4: Everything is auto

x900e:
- using HDMI port 2, enhanced
- Game Mode
- Brightness 30
- Contrast Max
- Gamma 0
- Black Level 50
- Adv Constrast : Off
- Local Dimming : high
- X-Tended Dynamic Range: High
- Live Color: Low
- Color Temperature: Warm
- HDR Mode: Auto
- HDMI Video Range: Auto
- Color Space: Auto

[cochon]

Originally Posted by Fred Bang

"Washed out" might be pushing it, but there's certainly of shift to more muted colors when HDR kicks in. A good example is when you start Battlefront 2. Initially, in the playstation menus, the resolution seems to be using 2160p - RGB. When the game starts, I noticed the splash screen (with Darth Maul and Rey) has bright light sabers. Then the HDR kicks in and you clearly see the lightsabers becomes muted (at this point, the resolution is switched to the 2160p - YUV420). It's like if the colors got cranked down 5 points and the contrast also.

It happens also in "Horizon Zero Dawn". WHile using HDR in game, take a screenshot, then quit the game and go check the screenshot in the Screengrabs. The colors looks much more vibrant (almost cartoony)

I'm not saying it looks necessarily bad in game, but am just wondering if it's normal.

As for my settings:

PS4: Everything is auto

x900e:
- using HDMI port 2, enhanced
- Game Mode
- Brightness 30
- Contrast Max
- Gamma 0
- Black Level 50
- Adv Constrast : Off
- Local Dimming : high
- X-Tended Dynamic Range: High
- Live Color: Low
- Color Temperature: Warm
- HDR Mode: Auto
- HDMI Video Range: Auto
- Color Space: Auto

The HDR might cause many parts to look darker, dimmer which will also might make some colors appear less saturated or probably more precise. However where they are due you should still get extremely bright colors.

I have a PS3 not a PS4 with HDR I also don't use it much anyway so this comment is based on movie playing.

I have a Sony model thats a bit better than yours but the control interface and options are basically the same. Based on your settings I would like to make some comments always keeping in mind that I don't find HDR much less saturated than SDR.

Game mode has a very good reason to exist which includes keeping lag under control however Sony's implementation don't give me an image I like.

My settings are different but I don't see anything wrong with yours and this is something that goes more with personal taste rather than anything else but can I suggest you try at least a couple of changes?

1)colour temperature Neutral instead of warm
2)Adv constrast > med
3)you haven't mentioned black adjust, I have it on low.
4) Live color to medium instead of low

You have not mentioned the color level you have, mine is set at 60 but if your preference is brighter colors then you can always add a couple of points.

[Bladerunner5375]

Originally Posted by Fred Bang

"Washed out" might be pushing it, but there's certainly of shift to more muted colors when HDR kicks in. A good example is when you start Battlefront 2. Initially, in the playstation menus, the resolution seems to be using 2160p - RGB. When the game starts, I noticed the splash screen (with Darth Maul and Rey) has bright light sabers. Then the HDR kicks in and you clearly see the lightsabers becomes muted (at this point, the resolution is switched to the 2160p - YUV420). It's like if the colors got cranked down 5 points and the contrast also.

It happens also in "Horizon Zero Dawn". WHile using HDR in game, take a screenshot, then quit the game and go check the screenshot in the Screengrabs. The colors looks much more vibrant (almost cartoony)

I'm not saying it looks necessarily bad in game, but am just wondering if it's normal.

As for my settings:

PS4: Everything is auto

x900e:
- using HDMI port 2, enhanced
- Game Mode
- Brightness 30
- Contrast Max
- Gamma 0
- Black Level 50
- Adv Constrast : Off
- Local Dimming : high
- X-Tended Dynamic Range: High
- Live Color: Low
- Color Temperature: Warm
- HDR Mode: Auto
- HDMI Video Range: Auto
- Color Space: Auto

i'm having the same exact problem and it's driving me bat-shit crazy. If you find the solution, please let me know. I will do the same for you if I find out.

[Geoff D]

Ah yes, you discussed something that was to do with the dreaded p word.