Screenshot Comparisons 4K

[UpsetSmiley]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

You shall find your answer here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1142 (and would've found it yourself by using the search function)

(And yes, next to being an objective smart ass, I'm quite good looking too. )


@Geoff
Glad you could figure it out.

Thank you, but if I'd used the search function I wouldn't have the pleasure of conversing with yourself. Unfortunately, I'm not so good looking so I have to be the conversation starter.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by UpsetSmiley

Thank you, but if I'd used the search function I wouldn't have the pleasure of conversing with yourself. Unfortunately, I'm not so good looking so I have to be the conversation starter.

Pleasure's all mine (but I'm not a big talker ). And you do have lots of (good) character at any rate.

[andreasy969]

Incredibles 2

There are so many caps, because I took even more caps when taking the respective BD caps whenever I thought the BD looked "like crap" - which was the case quite often and I was always right when taking the according UHD cap (I normally do the UHD caps first).

I don't have the time for the mouse-over right now (and am slightly "afraid" to do it for nothing again with so many caps ...). So sorry once more.

Other than that, the caps speak for themselves imo (even the thumbs will do quite often).

BD (upscaled) left, UHD-BD (madVR/SDR/200 nits) right

Disclaimer as to why the UHD-BD images may appear to be too dim and please ignore any off-looking colors:

[Show spoiler]Please note that the UHD-BD shots have been converted from HDR to SDR using special techniques, which drastically compresses the dynamic range of the original image (the color bit depth has been compressed as well). The UHD-BD shots are therefore not an accurate representation of the original HDR image - dynamic range, colors (tone and intensity) and contrast should be taken with a big pinch of salt and the main focus should be on comparing details. Typically, the image will appear too dark (which is by design when the caps are done at 200 nits; on its own they should be viewed with monitor brightness set to 200 nits), may lack a certain "pop" and may at times also appear "boosted" when compared to the BD shots. The SDR conversion should still give you a good idea of the actual image of the UHD-BD though and one should also be able to at least catch a glimpse of the increased dynamic range. The BD shots have been upscaled for comparison purposes, but other than that should be accurate. You might also want to check out this post of mine (incl. the further link there) where I tried to show/explain this:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=589

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[Geoff D]

Stellar work andreas, the UHD is KILLING the SDR version for highlight retention. I hate to say this, given that a hell of a lot of people will just write it off as 'my TV is better than yours' dick-swinging, but anyone saying that it's got barely any HDR over and above the SDR version is having the UHD clipped to shit by their display.

[andreasy969]

Thanks, Geoff. And I think you don't even need the best HDR-TV out there, because the SDR grade is so poorly done here imo. Still not pointing fingers though.

Anyway, seems as if Disney really doesn't give a f*** about the SDR/BD. I'd take a madVR 100 nits SDR conversion over the BD any day. There are so many caps on the UHD where I gushed even with the SDR conversion and putting in the BD afterwards was shocking at times (slightly hyperbolic of course, but the BD is really poorly done imo).

And it's not only the HDR/colors. Just look at the title for ex - I was actually worried I was doing sth wrong with the BD caps by the time I got there.

[Fendergopher]

Jesus christ they dropped the ball on the BD, it's like they used a different DI or something. The UHD looks miles better, you can tell they crammed a ton of detail into those models and textures.

[aetherhole]

Yeah but why is the UHD so much darker....

/runs away

[Geoff D]

Bear in mind those are converted caps so it's affecting the brightness. Does the movie have a materially lower APL in HDR than SDR? Probably. Should it be a majorly obvious issue on a TV with decent tone mapping and suitable (say, 1000 nits peak) HDR brightness? Nah.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bear in mind those are converted caps so it's affecting the brightness. Does the movie have a materially lower APL in HDR than SDR? Probably. Should it be a majorly obvious issue on a TV with decent tone mapping and suitable (say, 1000 nits peak) HDR brightness? Nah.

Indeed it does. It looked phenomenal to my eyes when I saw it in the Dolby Cinemas and it also looked fantastic to me on Home Media.

My post was entirely with my tongue placed firmly in my cheek because... you know... HDR to SDR always has people coming out of the woodwork to comment on the brightness. And also, people in the Incredibles 2 thread complained that it was so much darker and that there's like no HDR, when the screengrabs from Andreasy shows otherwise.

Hence the reason why I also put "/runs away" at the end of my post.

Thanks for showing some patience, though Geoff! Upstanding guy through and through.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bear in mind those are converted caps so it's affecting the brightness. Does the movie have a materially lower APL in HDR than SDR? Probably. Should it be a majorly obvious issue on a TV with decent tone mapping and suitable (say, 1000 nits peak) HDR brightness? Nah.

Watching it on my X90F, it is extremely dim. Moreso than any other HDR movie I've watched on it. To the point where it's watchable, but doesn't quite look right, like something is a little wrong with it. Almost like you're wearing a set of shades. (Hyberbole)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

Watching it on my X90F, it is extremely dim. Moreso than any other HDR movie I've watched on it.

Thanks. Given all the shade I've thrown without seeing the disc for myself (have it ordered, won't be here for at least another two weeks) then I'm setting myself up to be bitten squarely on the arse.

Originally Posted by aetherhole

Indeed it does. It looked phenomenal to my eyes when I saw it in the Dolby Cinemas and it also looked fantastic to me on Home Media.

My post was entirely with my tongue placed firmly in my cheek because... you know... HDR to SDR always has people coming out of the woodwork to comment on the brightness. And also, people in the Incredibles 2 thread complained that it was so much darker and that there's like no HDR, when the screengrabs from Andreasy shows otherwise.

Hence the reason why I also put "/runs away" at the end of my post.

Thanks for showing some patience, though Geoff! Upstanding guy through and through.

I guessed it might be a bit of snark but people might take it at face value anyway so there was Geoffy, striving to put right what once went wrong.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Thanks. Given all the shade I've thrown without seeing the disc for myself (have it ordered, won't be here for at least another two weeks) then I'm setting myself up to be bitten squarely on the arse.


I guessed it might be a bit of snark but people might take it at face value anyway so there was Geoffy, striving to put right what once went wrong.

You really never know with the posts on this forum, so I understand. Most, if they weren't sure would have just thrown up a rude comment. Admittedly, if in the same position, my response might have gone either direction, but generally I'm more inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt. After I've gotten to know people's posting tendencies, the Velvets, the Geoffs, and the BluRayHiDefs, the Rocky IIIs, then I will usually begin to post accordingly.

[Geoff D]

Never go Full BluRayHiDef.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

after i've gotten to know people's posting tendencies, the velvets, the geoffs, and the blurayhidefs, the rocky iiis, then i will usually begin to post accordingly.

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[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

Watching it on my X90F, it is extremely dim. Moreso than any other HDR movie I've watched on it. To the point where it's watchable, but doesn't quite look right, like something is a little wrong with it. Almost like you're wearing a set of shades. (Hyberbole)

I took some of the darker ones @100 nits again, which should give a better impression of the APL and it doesn't look too dim to my eyes. The BD looks awfully/overly bright resp. boosted to my eyes here instead. As I said initially, I'd pick the UHD converted to 100 nits SDR over the BD any day, because it looks so much more natural to me. HDR doesn't mean in-your-face-APL-brightness all the time.

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PS: I can't get over how poor the castle looks on the BD ... (that's one I took only retroactively).

[Geoff D]

It's weird that the opening/closing credits in particular are so badly affected.

[andreasy969]

Yes, it is. Even though others are just as bad detail-wise, especially if one considers that this isn't 4K.

This is what the BD should've looked liked and what 1080p is really capable of detail-wise, if done properly (original BD cap vs UHD downscaled):



Of course the BD will still look fine on its own, but in comparison: BAAAAAAAD. (I know I'm repeating myself here, but seriously)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's weird that the opening/closing credits in particular are so badly affected.

I can't remember a PIXAR release looking so spotty on Blu-ray, they're usually very consistent. The shot of the title looks like a 720p upconverted.

[aphid]

Does anyone know why screenshot 40 has much higher resolution?

[andreasy969]

Not quite sure what you mean. The BD cap having "higher resolution" resp. more details than other BD caps?

There are better and worse (other than #1 and #44, #15 comes to mind for ex) BD caps at any rate, but you got to ask Disney why that is.