4K Movies Releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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I must admit that ever since about 2005, when Samsung (for those readers who are soccer challenged, note the players in the upper left in the all blue kit who are actually wearing a jersey with Samsung emblazed across the front of their chest, which you would be able to see if they were standing still and the entire delivery chain were in 4K - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...in-the-UK.html ) became the main sponsor for Chelsea….I have not been a fan of that team. Not to mention, when I think of Samsung, I think of Joe - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...oe#post7930059 and his disciples, which invariably becomes a waste of my time.

Truth be told, and no disrespect to Samsung supporters, but for me, personally…. rather than Samsung, in terms of consumer and professional TVs/monitors I do have some brand bias as I’m much more of a Sony (http://store.sony.com/c/S_4KTV/en/c/...633370-871-270 ) , Dell (http://vimeo.com/71359646 ) or Sharp and Dolby fan (even though it’s only a 42” HD display - http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professio...200-video.html - which, b.t.w., according Joe's testing/hypothesis, by logical extension would then probably be a tremendous waste of money for a post house to invest in, as it isn’t “6 ft. wide”.

P.S. To those who inquired in earlier PM’s as to “who the heck is ‘Lou’” in reference to this past conversation - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ou#post7803154 , well, Lou hangs out at around the 2 min. mark of the Dolby clip which I linked above.

P.S. #2 – And Stee, what’s with the Chelsea supporters?...other than berating interim manager Rafael Benitez, when I watch their home matches on TV here in the U.S., the crowd seems as quiet and reserved as those at a polo match. Is it the placement of the microphones and/or Fox Soccer’s feed, or are the Chelsea supporters nearly brain dead during the action on the field?

To be fair, they are a noisy lot normally. Maybe just caught them on an off-day? Been to their place a couple of times and it is normally lively

Penton man, could you so kind as to call me Steed as the first part of my user name is named after my favourite Sunderland player (of all time) Can you guess who it is from that description? It's a close run thing between Kevin Philips and this guy, but he gets the vote. Is google your friend or can you name him without checking?

By the way, the eel bit of my username is just my name backwards.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

To be fair, they are a noisy lot normally. Maybe just caught them on an off-day? Been to their place a couple of times and it is normally lively

Penton man, could you so kind as to call me Steed as the first part of my user name is named after my favourite Sunderland player (of all time) Can you guess who it is from that description? It's a close run thing between Kevin Philips and this guy, but he gets the vote. Is google your friend or can you name him without checking?

By the way, the eel bit of my username is just my name backwards.

Hah, as an aside, well I wouldn’t call Google folks really my friends, context - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...55#post7942755

Anyway, I can name him without googling to figure it out….as I am a fan of the Premiere League , both the play and the bizarre < i.e. I remember the poor guy had to have his solicitor debunk rumors that he was retiring from football to take care of his son with cancer - http://metro.co.uk/2011/09/03/former...cancer-136956/

Also, especially sorry , because now I recall you told me about the significance of your online handle….’Steed’ some time ago in the past and I had just forgotten. I hope it’s not a sign of early Alzheimer’s on my part. I’ll make a concerted attempt at self-improvement in this area in the future.

As to Chelsea, no, I’ve watched a lot of their home matches on TV and the crowd always seems very quiet. What you say makes me then think it’s the coverage (microphone field placement, needed commentator volume, etc.). That's why it’s good to have guys like you and Tob who have more firsthand experience with regards to the Prem. I can always learn something.

[Penton-Man]

Word of the day…Accountability, i.e. “Third Point said it will “explore further options to create value for shareholders” and “welcomes Sony’s commitment to greater transparency and expects this will foster a culture of accountability.” - http://www.deadline.com/2013/08/sony...sonys-success/

Rather than blinded loyal-ism, I think accountability of studio executives (and, for that matter, Blu-ray forecasters…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ty#post7936998 ) is a good thing not only for shareholders, but also for consumer hobbyists; otherwise, things will never change, for instance misbehavior characterized by intentionally misleading corporate speak….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2A#post6782166

Sheesh, even the actors are weighing in on this…http://www.deadline.com/2013/08/asht...llywood-video/

P.S.
I’m afraid to see how my Sony stock did today.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hah, as an aside, well I wouldn’t call Google folks really my friends, context - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...55#post7942755

Anyway, I can name him without googling to figure it out….as I am a fan of the Premiere League , both the play and the bizarre < i.e. I remember the poor guy had to have his solicitor debunk rumors that he was retiring from football to take care of his son with cancer - http://metro.co.uk/2011/09/03/former...cancer-136956/

Also, especially sorry , because now I recall you told me about the significance of your online handle….’Steed’ some time ago in the past and I had just forgotten. I hope it’s not a sign of early Alzheimer’s on my part. I’ll make a concerted attempt at self-improvement in this area in the future.

As to Chelsea, no, I’ve watched a lot of their home matches on TV and the crowd always seems very quiet. What you say makes me then think it’s the coverage (microphone field placement, needed commentator volume, etc.). That's why it’s good to have guys like you and Tob who have more firsthand experience with regards to the Prem. I can always learn something.

Any Questions on football or the premier league steedeel and I be happy to help penton.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hah, as an aside, well I wouldn’t call Google folks really my friends, context - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...55#post7942755

Anyway, I can name him without googling to figure it out….as I am a fan of the Premiere League , both the play and the bizarre < i.e. I remember the poor guy had to have his solicitor debunk rumors that he was retiring from football to take care of his son with cancer - http://metro.co.uk/2011/09/03/former...cancer-136956/

Also, especially sorry , because now I recall you told me about the significance of your online handle….’Steed’ some time ago in the past and I had just forgotten. I hope it’s not a sign of early Alzheimer’s on my part. I’ll make a concerted attempt at self-improvement in this area in the future.

As to Chelsea, no, I’ve watched a lot of their home matches on TV and the crowd always seems very quiet. What you say makes me then think it’s the coverage (microphone field placement, needed commentator volume, etc.). That's why it’s good to have guys like you and Tob who have more firsthand experience with regards to the Prem. I can always learn something.

Good shout. Steed's departure was shrouded in mystery but the fans loved him up here. It sometimes felt like the ball was attached to his boots, such was his silky skills and close control. I will compile a greatest ever Sunderland team if you are interested? Maybe send it to the premier league forum? You may have heard of many of them.

As for my username, don't worry about it. I know you try to get back to everyone and we Both have busy lives.

Finally, like Tob said, we are only too happy to give you first hand feedback of the premier league. (At least, the games I attend)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Good shout. Steed's departure was shrouded in mystery but the fans loved him up here. It sometimes felt like the ball was attached to his boots, such was his silky skills and close control. I will compile a greatest ever Sunderland team if you are interested? Maybe send it to the premier league forum? You may have heard of many of them.

As for my username, don't worry about it. I know you try to get back to everyone and we Both have busy lives.

Finally, like Tob said, we are only too happy to give you first hand feedback of the premier league. (At least, the games I attend)

but only after you have had chance to watch games etc..

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tob

Any Questions on football or the premier league steedeel and I be happy to help penton.

I notice I misspelled Premier league in the above post in my haste to get out of the office yesterday evening and both of you were kind enough not to point that out, directly. So, here you go…from the Guinness International Champions Cup in iceman’s ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=31882 ) favorite U.S. city of them all, San Francisco, a U.S. International from Everton makes a jovial save from a Sergio Ramos-wannabee….and I’m wondering if Tim’s asking the referee with his gesturing, if that one counted toward the real deal, so that he wouldn’t have to do it all over again?

Pitch invader takes penalty during Juve Everton shootout, Tim Howard makes the save - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Finally, like Tob said, we are only too happy to give you first hand feedback of the premier league. (At least, the games I attend)

I will be very conflicted if Arsenal picks up *JAWS* in a transfer, for, on the one hand, we need a good, productive striker badly but, on the other, the guy apparently has a biting problem when in close quarters with others. I would recommend defenders from all other teams to make sure their tetanus and hepatitis shots are still viable.

[Penton-Man]

Must do a 4k thread tie-in for that ^ football musing ( if only so that PeterTHX doesn’t have a soccer stroke). One moment....thinking.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I will be very conflicted if Arsenal picks up *JAWS* in a transfer, for, on the one hand, we need a good, productive striker badly but, on the other, the guy apparently has a biting problem when in close quarters with others. I would recommend defenders from all other teams to make sure their tetanus and hepatitis shots are still viable.

Maybe Suarez misunderstood the manager when he suggested they need more bite?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Must do a 4k thread tie-in for that ^ football musing ( if only so that PeterTHX doesn’t have a soccer stroke). One moment....thinking.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Must do a 4k thread tie-in for that ^ football musing...

Ergo -

4K Proof of Concept in the run-up to the 2014 World Cup - http://www.tvbeurope.com/main-conten...t#.UgH3qZK1GSp

But what the article doesn’t mention (and what the P-Man is here for) is to inform you of the significant challenge involved in covering sports with all 4K cameras (despite the manufacturer - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1483393/tr...#post_23594439 )

unless, innovative parts (like Sony’s recently manufactured adapter making it possible to fit traditional broadcast lenses designed for cameras with 2/3-inch sensors onto 4K cinema cameras which have a single full-frame sensor) and skillful camerawork is utilized because of the inherent deficiency of single chip 4K cameras for sports ( i.e. they have a shallow depth of field).

Scroll to the 2nd half of this post from July 1st - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...or#post7773541

[Penton-Man]

saprano - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ap#post7719340 I haven’t forgotten answering the question as to why they look like crap, i.e.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

…..why Blu-rays can look so lousy when projected with a Digital Cinema projector (other than obviously breaking down the AVC codec beyond a certain screen size)

I’ll get to doing at least a cursory explanation (eventually) when I have more time. E.G., different mastering environments, etc. It’s not Blu-ray per se, as high bit rate Blu-ray can hold up *fairly well* on reasonably sized (very small theatrical) screens, but rather, ‘the crap’ is due to the challenge of projecting a Blu-ray movie with a D-Cinema projector.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I notice I misspelled Premier league in the above post in my haste to get out of the office yesterday evening and both of you were kind enough not to point that out, directly. So, here you go…from the Guinness International Champions Cup in iceman’s ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=31882 ) favorite U.S. city of them all, San Francisco, a U.S. International from Everton makes a jovial save from a Sergio Ramos-wannabee….and I’m wondering if Tim’s asking the referee with his gesturing, if that one counted toward the real deal, so that he wouldn’t have to do it all over again?

Pitch invader takes penalty during Juve Everton shootout, Tim Howard makes the save - YouTube

Rubbish penalty from the fan.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tob

Rubbish penalty from the fan.

At least he’s pigeon friendly with his PK’s unlike Sergio himself -

sergio ramos penalty kick - YouTube

The miss of which, even got its own devoted page on facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-a...24274877677623

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I continue to receive PMs intermittently from people infatuated with ‘true 4K’ as opposed to ‘up-converted 4K’ whom feel they would be horrendously cheated out of picture quality with up-conversion of a good HD source until more ‘native’ 4K content becomes readily available, but clearly are basing such assumption on layman theory (i.e. ‘true’ 4K gots to be significantly better than ‘fake’ 4K ) and who actually don’t own a quality 4K consumer TV ( such as the XBR-84X900) ….and are pretty much clueless as to how good up-conversion can be…if done well from a good source, whether it originates in the display itself with a good up-converting engine or in post production ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post7581588 )

The latest PM I got was precipitated by this post from member Ruined…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post7889778

Let’s put this urban myth by non-owners to rest (at least so I don’t receive anymore PMs on the topic)...

On that ^ note, come one, come all to October's Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers Annual Technical Conference (an annual thing with me, if only because it’s in Hollywood and I therefore don’t need to make a hotel reservation ) - https://www.smpte.org/atc2013

Scroll to the bottom of this page - https://smpte.org/atc2013/symposium where the caption below the pic reads….“A 4K/UHD demonstration area will showcase image processing and scaling engines and their ability to produce 4K/UHD content from lower-resolution sources. By highlighting the exceptional quality of these images, especially when compared with their native 4K/UHD versions, the demonstration will illustrate that content needn't be a hurdle to adoption of 4K/UHD”.

[Penton-Man]

So, what is the practical meaning of this ^, if only that new membership to the hobby should now realize that when they read a technical paper, like so - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post7870215 which, as the evidentiary source for those guidelines, contains abundant References listing “SMPTE” this…”SMPTE” that, etc., that SMPTE stands for Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers.

Anyway, well, the practical meaning is that for those consumers who in the immediate future decide to join the 4K revolution by purchasing a new 4K TV with the caveats…the display has a high quality up-converting engine which processes 1080p Blu-rays <- which are mastered well from a good source, (such as, generally, but not limited to - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=212350) that future purchasing of high quality HD Blu-rays will remain a pretty darn good investment…..in terms of perceived resolution, at least.

[Penton-Man]

Keeping with the SMPTE (a nonprofit organization) theme and the fact that this week I’m feeling a little sad for our 3D brethren, given a seemingly continuous amount of bad press and bylines these days, e.g. “Among sliding popularity of 3D movies” ( http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ularity-601962 ) Hang in there guys, glasses-free 3D TVs are on the horizon.

Anyway, SMPTE has almost finalized a new amendment to the additional frame rate standard (of 2009) for D-Cinema, which will include:
3D48@2K (500Mb/sec)
3D50@2K (500Mb/sec)
3D60@2K (500Mb/sec)

So, at least the premier standards organization in the world still thinks it’s (3D) relevant.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m afraid to see how my Sony stock did today.

Perhaps this recently released CEA report will help bolster my portfolio once the stock analysts read it, as I figure Sony TVs should represent a healthy % of these predicted sales… “CEA forecasts Ultra HD shipments to surpass the one million unit mark in 2015” - http://cinescopophilia.com/cea-repor...-ship-by-2015/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

This looks interesting...http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player

What I find most interesting, or perhaps sad, is that with their proprietary codec solution, they could have comfortably fit a 4K feature length movie (even long ones) on a 50 GB disc for consumers, but they decided against optical media.

I’m thinking though at least for filmmakers or hobbyists who have their own 4K cameras that with the SD slot pictured on the front of the device, at least if you wanted to have or conveniently pass out your 4K shot stuff on physical media to friends and such, you may be able to use high speed 32 GB SD cards which are not that expensive.