Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I agree, I think social distancing is a massive reason why we're in this mess. I think a lot of people think a mask and sanitizer are enough. You need to wear a mask, maintain at least 6 feet of distance and wash your hands frequently.

Except that I don't think masks are necessary outside if you're not within 6' of someone.

[Batman1980]

They are now required here in New Mexico if you leave your home, even if you're exercising. I expect enforcement on that to be spotty at best, we'll see how it goes.

Don't think any other state is requiring masks while running.

[deckard82]

I never quite understood the anti-mask thing. Sure, if you have to wear it at work all day long then that is an inconvenience but it's not like you're required to do that for no reason. And when you don't have to wear it at work and only hve to wear it when you go shopping then I particularily don't get it. You wear it for what....half an hour a couple times a week? And in shops where it's nice and cool too.

I think it always helps to ask 2 questions. What's the best thing that can happen? And what's the worst thing that can happen from an anti-maskers perspective? The best thing that can happen is that masks don't help and you were right all along. And the worst thing that can happen is that masks actually do help and you have to admit you were wrong. And if that is the worst thing that can happen then I'd say it's at the very least worth giving it a shot.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

They are now required here in New Mexico if you leave your home, even if you're exercising. I expect enforcement on that to be spotty at best, we'll see how it goes.

Don't think any other state is requiring masks while running.

Don't know about states, but I heard that Boston does.

Here in California it's the 6' rule. I did a long run in the trails yesterday and encountered hundreds of people. Much of it was on fire roads so I was able to social distance and didn't put on my mask when encountering others. On single track just about everyone just pulled up their mask when they saw me. Notable exception were bikers. Most of them couldn't be bothered to mask up. I didn't really care personally since there heads were on a higher plane when they passed, but it shows they don't really respect the rules (which is typical since bikers tend to be younger).

Also don't care for allowing electric bikes on trails because not they can just cruise uphill without doing the work and that's not right. Also it means there will be more of them, since most people just want to fly downhill without doing the work to get to the top.

Some people just pulled up their shirt, which I've done several times when caught off guard. Some people just stopped and turned away from me until I passed. Was interesting to see since I saw a lot of people.

[Batman1980]

Just pull up your shirt? That has to be almost as bad as a bandana lol

deckard82, I posted this in the US theatres closing thread, I'll put it here too. Batman sums it up nicely.



I hate masks. I think they're gross and cumbersome and make it hard to talk to people. Not to mention as a runner they're a huge nuisance I have to deal with in order to keep running. However there's a good chance they're one of the best weapons we have right now without a vaccine.

[bruceames]

Yeah, well there were a lot of bandanas. I think that's fine if your just crossing paths. It doesn't have to be a 3 layer mask, IMO. I think the trail races that have proceeded since covid only required a bandana (if I'm not mistaken). At least, during the race itself. I have a race coming up in 10 weeks, will be curious as to how things are laid out.

I use an N95 with a rubber band that I wear on my forehead when running (and in the shop at work as well). It's got a plastic spiderweb outer shell so I never touch the fabric. It's easy for me to pull down and back up when passing people on the trail. On the streets or fire roads I don't bother to bring it along because I can social distance there.

[deckard82]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Just pull up your shirt? That has to be almost as bad as a bandana lol

deckard82, I posted this in the US theatres closing thread, I'll put it here too. Batman sums it up nicely.



I hate masks. I think they're gross and cumbersome and make it hard to talk to people. Not to mention as a runner they're a huge nuisance I have to deal with in order to keep running. However there's a good chance they're one of the best weapons we have right now without a vaccine.

when in doubt, always listen to Batman!

[MrHT]

I don't know why people don't like mask. With my mask and sunglasses, nobody knows who I am. It's great. It's like being invisible.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I take it by that pic that social distancing was optional? Honestly I would rather be 6' from someone no masks, than 1-2' apart with masks like in that pic.

I think people misunderstand the intention of the mask. The mask is not meant to eliminate social distancing. People need to wear a mask AND social distance.

This virus is airborne and when people talk, droplets come out of your mouth and stay in the air. By wearing a mask, you are significantly decreasing the amount of droplets that get into the air. This is why it's most retarded thing in the world when people wear a mask and then take it off to talk.

[Penton-Man]

the latest -

More closures in California amid rise in cases, hospitalizations | WNT - YouTube

and from Stanford, visited once before regarding a different area of science -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Also, for further reading to those having interest, I posted these links to papers/presentations/talks expressing as such
https://talks.stanford.edu/scott-daly-timo-kunkel/ 2012

anyway, that ^ talk at Stanford was quite unique in that only a couple months earlier the study’s data had been submitted as part of an input document to the ITU in the quest for new television systems and which changed working party members’ minds – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post12602993

Dr. Anthony Fauci & Dean Lloyd Minor in a Fireside Chat | StanfordMed LIVE – July 13, 2020 - YouTube

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Yeah, well there were a lot of bandanas. I think that's fine if your just crossing paths. It doesn't have to be a 3 layer mask, IMO. I think the trail races that have proceeded since covid only required a bandana (if I'm not mistaken). At least, during the race itself. I have a race coming up in 10 weeks, will be curious as to how things are laid out.

I use an N95 with a rubber band that I wear on my forehead when running (and in the shop at work as well). It's got a plastic spiderweb outer shell so I never touch the fabric. It's easy for me to pull down and back up when passing people on the trail. On the streets or fire roads I don't bother to bring it along because I can social distance there.

yo bruce, I had to hack my n95 masks because the original elastic rubber bands kept breaking. Found a tip on the youtubes about using elastic hair bands (cheap, although I spent a whole 40 cents more for the goody brand) and looping two together after stapling it to the mask. Hasn't failed yet, and surprisingly its a tighter fit than before.

I'm sure my two n95s will fail eventually though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUl5nKj8hM

The surgeon in the youtube has a doctor's model n95 and I have a painting sanding n95 I bought about two years ago.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I think people misunderstand the intention of the mask. The mask is not meant to eliminate social distancing. People need to wear a mask AND social distance.

This virus is airborne and when people talk, droplets come out of your mouth and stay in the air. By wearing a mask, you are significantly decreasing the amount of droplets that get into the air. This is why it's most retarded thing in the world when people wear a mask and then take it off to talk.

You can't social distance in a store. That's why they're required there in the first place. Outside optional unless you can't social distance. You don't need to have a mask on if you can social distance outside. At least, here in sunny California. But of course, you can wear one anyway if you want to. Personally though, I find prolonged mask use outside, especially in summer, rather unpleasant. I was in Costco with my N95 for 20 minutes and taking it off outside it felt like I got out from being locked in a trunk, the air was so refreshing.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

yo bruce, I had to hack my n95 masks because the original elastic rubber bands kept breaking. Found a tip on the youtubes about using elastic hair bands (cheap, although I spent a whole 40 cents more for the goody brand) and looping two together after stapling it to the mask. Hasn't failed yet, and surprisingly its a tighter fit than before.

I'm sure my two n95s will fail eventually though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUl5nKj8hM

The surgeon in the youtube has a doctor's model n95 and I have a painting sanding n95 I bought about two years ago.

Do you have the Moldex ones that I do? I've had the rubber bands break a few times as well. I pre-stretch the rubber band before I put on a new one, since it fits really tight.

I've used the same N95 for store use since the pandemic began. Maybe it's time to change it.

[Batman1980]

What scares me more is the thought of lazy people using disposable masks 24/7 indefinitely.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Do you have the Moldex ones that I do? I've had the rubber bands break a few times as well. I pre-stretch the rubber band before I put on a new one, since it fits really tight.

I've used the same N95 for store use since the pandemic began. Maybe it's time to change it.

Pretty sure I have these:

3M™ 8210 Performance Respirator

I'm not even sure if they're hospital grade, but I made it back from Costco AND the grocery store in one piece - that's not nothing.

Do the moldex ones wrap around your head with both elastic straps/bands? My 3M's did that. Have them looping around the ears with the goody elastic hair bands (two looped together) instead of looped around the head now.

Oh, and one of my masks elastic straps broke in the middle of Costco. Scary times. That's when I immediately went searching for how to fix it.

[bruceames]

Got the following email today.

Due to a rise in COVID-19 cases, Governor Gavin Newsom is requiring several industries and activities to shut down immediately unless they can be modified to operate outside or by pick-up. Indoor industry closures effective IMMEDIATELY across the entire state include:

Dine-in restaurants

Wineries and tasting rooms

Movie theaters

Family entertainment centers (such as: bowling alleys, miniature golf, batting cages and arcades)

Zoos and museums

Cardrooms

Bars, brewpubs, breweries, and pubs must close all operations both indoor and outdoor statewide.




Additionally, since Marin County has been on the County Monitoring List (also known as the “watch list”) for three consecutive days, Marin is required to shut down the following industries or activities unless they can be modified to operate outside or by pick-up:

Fitness centers

Worship services

Offices for non-essential sectors

Personal care services, like nail salons, body waxing and tattoo parlors

Hair salons and barbershops

Malls (indoor access to Northgate Mall)

Businesses and industries affected by this must remain closed until the restrictions are lifted. For additional information about these closures see the Marin County press release.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

What scares me more is the thought of lazy people using disposable masks 24/7 indefinitely.

These theoretical lazy people seem to be dropping them on the ground here in the city after they use them. I see those blue/white masks regularly on the ground. Idiots.


I will say that, today, I saw far more people WITHOUT masks than I have in a very, very long time. It's not even that they were around their chins. There was none to be seen. Disconcerting, to say the least.

Hell, I was even in a 7-11 that had the "masks must be worn at all times" sign and the guy in line in front of me didn't have one.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Got the following email today....

I got this - https://voiceofoc.org/2020/07/gov-ne...hops-and-gyms/

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by bruceames

You can't social distance in a store. That's why they're required there in the first place. Outside optional unless you can't social distance. You don't need to have a mask on if you can social distance outside. At least, here in sunny California. But of course, you can wear one anyway if you want to. Personally though, I find prolonged mask use outside, especially in summer, rather unpleasant. I was in Costco with my N95 for 20 minutes and taking it off outside it felt like I got out from being locked in a trunk, the air was so refreshing.

You should be able to social distance at the store. That's why in NY, there's a 25% capacity limit in stores. Stay 6 feet away from people at all times, even with a mask on. Mask are required at the store because heat and humidity is lower and the A/C circulates the air. So if droplets get into the air, it's circulating all over the store and potentially infecting lots of people, including the employees.

Speaking of masks being unpleasant in the summer, I get nagged at by my parents that I don't wear gloves outside. I'm sorry, but it's 90 degrees out with 100% humidity. Wearing gloves during this heat is just plain disgusting, especially since my sweat glands are insanely overactive. I carry a bottle of hand sanitizer with me at all times and I sanitize every time I touch something, so it's all good. But masks, I keep it on as much as possible unless there is absolutely nobody around, which is rare here in NY.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Pretty sure I have these:

3M™ 8210 Performance Respirator

I'm not even sure if they're hospital grade,...

haven't heard of their 'Performance' Respirator but one of the masks my wife wears is a 3M 8210 'Particulate' Respirator which is a surgical grade N95