Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016)

[JEArgumedo]

Originally Posted by applemac

I wonder how many complaints there are with different movies made in the pre-standard era...did people rag on 24 fps as inferior to 14, 16, 18, hand cranked variable < 20?

I think you meant this meant this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but just in case, I don't think people complained because movies were so new then and when 24 became the standard, it basically didn't change for over 100 years. Now with all these digital technologies, filmmakers are becoming bold enough to try and mess with that. Audiences have seen images at 24 fps for their whole lives and associate that look with cinema. Messing with it causes a reaction, usually negative with the people I talk to.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

I love HDR, and I think it adds a lot to the movie. However, my interests don't lie in any single area - I care about the overall picture quality. Having great HDR and a soft picture isn't enough for me. I prefer strong HDR and a very sharp/ crisp image.

Fair enough, but I would guess the solution there would be to follow Ray and mostly get true 4k masters, which should tick all three UHD upgrade boxes rather than just one or two.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by JEArgumedo

I think you meant this meant this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but just in case, I don't think people complained because movies were so new then and when 24 became the standard, it basically didn't change for over 100 years. Now with all these digital technologies, filmmakers are becoming bold enough to try and mess with that. Audiences have seen images at 24 fps for their whole lives and associate that look with cinema. Messing with it causes a reaction, usually negative with the people I talk to.

I think HFR ruins the "suspension of disbelief" in movies: when i saw the Hobbit I kept thinking: "I am on the set of the movie, but I'm not WATCHING the movie"

I don't think it's something that cinema needs: when I want 100% realism, I watch documentaries, not movies.

The final result looks fake and we don't want to know it's fake, we want to believe the magic...

Like in Christopher Nolan's The Prestige:

"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled"

[applemac]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I think HFR ruins the "suspension of disbelief" in movies: when i saw the Hobbit I kept thinking: "I am on the set of the movie, but I'm not WATCHING the movie"

I don't think it's something that cinema needs: when I want 100% realism, I watch documentaries, not movies.

The final result looks fake and we don't want to know it's fake, we want to believe the magic...

Like in Christopher Nolan's The Prestige:

"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled"

My issue with 24 is I get knocked out of that illusion due to juddering, jumping, blurring. Even a jump to 30fps helps quite a bit. 48 was great, though I think that a lot of Jackon's aggressive camera moves in combination with that were a lot of the reason for being turned off. Those camera moves are pretty bold in 24 as well.

I think one of the strengths of the 60hz in billy lynn was the conversations and facial movements. While most small facial motions are unnoticeable in 24, in 60 they helped show the internal emotion of the characters in a much more nuanced way.

[imsounoriginal]

Site review's up, apparently the movie itself is a whole star better in 4K

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Site review's up, apparently the movie itself is a whole star better in 4K

Honestly it does. The movie almost loses its purpose in 2D 24 fps.

The "hyper-reality" of seeing things from Lynn's perspective in 3D or HFR has a big role to play in the story. The movie is incomplete without it. Even stuff like Avatar or Hugo work in 2D, better in 3D, but I think Billy Lynn just doesn't work without HFR or 3D. It's a shame there's no 60 fps + 3D option.

[Geoff D]

Opinions, guy. We've all got 'em.

[edit] Heh, and JohnAV's post to which I was replying ^ has magically disappeared....

[SLYDoggie]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Were you able to get 10-bit color and HDR when playing this on your Samsung K8500?

My projector doesn't support HDR but the color on the UHD movie looked "normal". There are some UHD HDR movies where the color just doesn't look right on my non HDR projector (Angry Birds for example) but this one looks good. Also, my projector only supports 8-bit 60FPS format and it worked with this movie.

[alexroubaix]

This was my most anticipated of last year. Was so bummed with the botched theatrical release (thanks to idiot critics trashing it at its premiere). Seeing it in 24fps-2D was a lackluster experience.

Luckily, the PQ is out-of-this-world good in 60fps and benefits the experiential, empathetic style beautifully. It's a night-and-day difference.

This is the future of cinema and I'm sure the film will have a strong second life on video (and Best Buy store displays).

Wish they released a 720p60 version on regular blu-ray as well. Like others have said, it needs to be seen this way.

[brainofj72]

I doubt HFR will ever catch on in any big way. It's a strange tech novelty and not much more. I can't imagine many filmmakers will connect with the unnaturally hyper-real look and want to use it for their work.

[Tony208]

This 4K UHD looks almost as good as when I saw it in 120 fps 3D in theaters.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Tony208

This 4K UHD looks almost as good as when I saw it in 120 fps 3D in theaters.

Can you tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps?

[Tony208]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Can you tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps?

It's like the difference between 24 and 60. It looked even more hyper real at 120 fps. I was more blown away by that theater presentation than by this UHD disc.

It was only at like 3 theaters in the states and I'm glad I got to see it.

[malcolmar]

Just saw the movie on Blu-ray 3D and visually it was amazing. I really think the 3D or 4K HFR are essential to the original vision for this film experience. I don't have a 4K setup so I can't speak to that but again, the 3D was really good. It was more of an immersive experience rather than a pop out spectacle. You can tell this movie was shot in 3D. As many mentioned too bad we could not have 3D at 60 FPS. Even 30 FPS would have been nice. I can't imagine only watching this movie on regular 2D Blu-ray.

[shane01]

Was the entire film shot in 120 fps? I thought I heard most of the movie was 60 fps with sequences in 120. I could be completely wrong.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by shane01

Was the entire film shot in 120 fps? I thought I heard most of the movie was 60 fps with sequences in 120. I could be completely wrong.

From what Ang Lee says, the original plan was to shoot it in 60 fps, but after running tests they decided to go with 120 fps (and it was only a few weeks before shooting began, so it freaked out the whole crew who had been preparing for 60).

Still, I believe I read somewhere else there are select sequences shot in 60 when they are going for a different emotional response (I think Billy's daydreams)

http://deadline.com/2016/10/ang-lee-...ew-1201836438/

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I doubt HFR will ever catch on in any big way. It's a strange tech novelty and not much more. I can't imagine many filmmakers will connect with the unnaturally hyper-real look and want to use it for their work.

If HFR does catch on, I'm betting you'll be the first to knock filmmakers for their "artistic intent," even though you're currently an ardent supporter of every director's intent.

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

If HFR does catch on, I'm betting you'll be the first to knock filmmakers for their "artistic intent," even though you're currently an ardent supporter of every director's intent.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

And hopefully it does catch on. 24p is outdated trash.

[imsounoriginal]

I don't want HFR on every movie, the same way I don't want 3D on every movie (or even color on every movie). But for certain ones, especially big-budget stuff, HFR can be great. And I do firmly believe, after seeing the last Hobbit, that ALL 3D should be done with HFR. It helps immensely.