Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016)

[HDMan72]

Watched this the other night, my wife did not like feel of the 60fps. I admit it took me a minute to adjust to it. The Dolby Atmos soundtrack during the half time show was surreal sounding. I noticed a few shots of the blue sky during the Iraq sequences having some banding. I'm using an Oppo 203 and a Samsung JS8500. This was the first disc in a long time I noticed some banding on. Think it may be the way my JS8500 processed 4K 60fps.

[brainofj72]

Yeah, I did not see any banding here.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So the 3D is not as truly intended. Yet you are on my case for using motion interpolation? Ok��

You definitely have a point that some movies were meant to be seen in 3D. Though I wouldn't agree they were all planned solely for 3D, so I don't think it's a perfect analogy for 24fps. For 99.9% of the movies out there they were shot, designed and released only in 24fps. You altering that to suit your taste kinda goes against every rule in the book of home theater, ya know?

Not that you should really give a shit about that, because rule number one is "make it look how you enjoy it." I'm just trying to advise that perhaps since you have those motion options on you're not letting yourself get used to 24p. Like people who use cool color temperature; You have to put your set on warm and watch it like that for a week to get used to it. Then cool mode will look like ass. Maybe if you watched real 24p for a week or a month or whatever it wouldn't bother you anymore.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

You definitely have a point that some movies were meant to be seen in 3D. Though I wouldn't agree they were all planned solely for 3D, so I don't think it's a perfect analogy for 24fps. For 99.9% of the movies out there they were shot, designed and released only in 24fps. You altering that to suit your taste kinda goes against every rule in the book of home theater, ya know?

Not that you should really give a shit about that, because rule number one is "make it look how you enjoy it." I'm just trying to advise that perhaps since you have those motion options on you're not letting yourself get used to 24p. Like people who use cool color temperature; You have to put your set on warm and watch it like that for a week to get used to it. Then cool mode will look like ass. Maybe if you watched real 24p for a week or a month or whatever it wouldn't bother you anymore.

I watched 24fps for most of my life. Then I did more research and found out the truth. Even when I was in the dark about this subject I always wondered why movies had this blur to them, as if we could almost catch the individual frames. It never looked right to me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If it's not a TL I'd be absolutely flabbergasted

Originally Posted by ray0414

Couple websites say bd66.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Consider my gasted well and truly flabbered

Right, just to go back to this I can put my flabber back with my gasted because this IS a triple layer 100GB disc.

How people are missing this is beyond me because the rings are right ****ing there, you only have to use your eyes to see them!

I'll even read off the codes visible on the three layers:

USTL-007850A1
USTL-007850B1
USTL-007850C1

('TL' meaning triple layer and the latter letters indicating each layer e.g. A, B C.)

I'll be watching this after I've had my lunch, I'm verr exaited!!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Right, just to go back to this I can put my flabber back with my gasted because this IS a triple layer 100GB disc.

How people are missing this is beyond me because the rings are right ****ing there, you only have to use your eyes to see them!

I'll even read off the codes visible on the three layers:

USTL-007850A1
USTL-007850B1
USTL-007850C1

('TL' meaning triple layer and the latter letters indicating each layer e.g. A, B C.)

I'll be watching this after I've had my lunch, I'm verr exaited!!

Is there any way to read the bitrate while the movie is playing? I have an Oled C6 TV with Samsung UHD player all via HDMI ARC to a Denon 4K receiver

[Geoff D]

Not with a Samsung. The Panasonic, Philips and OPPO players have bitrate meters though.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not with a Samsung. The Panasonic, Philips and OPPO players have bitrate meters though.

Do you think that the banding the other poster wrote about could be associated with low bitrate? Although it seems strange that a UHD disc would be low on bitrate

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Do you think that the banding the other poster wrote about could be associated with low bitrate? Although it seems strange that a UHD disc would be low on bitrate

I posted about banding in a few shots that showed the blue Iraq sky. Come to find out it was a setting & the way my display handled 4K/60 that was giving me banding. I have an Oppo 203 which is outputting 4:2:2 12-bit to my display. I switched to 4:2:0 12-bit (this setting works due to 4K/60 on the UHD) and had no banding at all while watching those scenes again from Billy Lynn.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HDMan72

I posted about banding in a few shots that showed the blue Iraq sky. Come to find out it was a settings error giving me banding. I have an Oppo 203 which is outputting 4:2:2 12-bit to my display. I switched to 4:2:0 12-bit (this setting works due to 4K/60 on the UHD) and had no banding at all while watching those scenes again from Billy Lynn.

Dont you have an option for Auto or 4:4:4? I think Auto or 4:4:4 are generally the safest bets, but I am not 100% sure

[HDMan72]

Auto gives me 4:2:2 12-bit. On my Samsung JS8500 4:4:4 gives me banding no matter the bit depth.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I watched 24fps for most of my life. Then I did more research and found out the truth.

I'm hesitant to ask, but... what's the truth?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I'm hesitant to ask, but... what's the truth?

You can't handle the truth[emoji41]

[HeatEquation]

For what it's worth, I use the Samsung player and I had no banding issues.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

For what it's worth, I use the Samsung player and I had no banding issues.

Do you have color space set on Auto?

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Do you have color space set on Auto?

On my TV? Yes.

On the player I have HDMI Color Format set to YCbCr(4:4:4).

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

On my TV? Yes.

On the player I have HDMI Color Format set to YCbCr(4:4:4).

My understanding is that on the player, for UHD titles, color space should be 4:2:2

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

My understanding is that on the player, for UHD titles, color space should be 4:2:2

There's no such option on the player, but it will convert it to whatever it needs. For example, when playing Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk in HDR and 60fps, the player uses 4:2:0 if you have HDMI Color Format set to Auto or 4:4:4. So you can set it to Auto if you want - both will work.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

There's no such option on the player, but it will convert it to whatever it needs. For example, when playing Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk in HDR and 60fps, the player uses 4:2:0 if you have HDMI Color Format set to Auto or 4:4:4. So you can set it to Auto if you want - both will work.

Sounds good. Mine is always set on Auto for both color space and resolution

[Geoff D]

Astounding. Amazing. Astonishing. And however many more superlatives I can muster, because the PQ on this is insanely good. The detail and sharpness alone would mark this out as primo UHD goodness, but the HFR takes it up another level.

It really is a love or hate thing...and I LOVE it. The 24p Blu has the requisite motion blur and so it's got that kind of detachment from reality that all movies have, there's a veil between the action and the viewer. But the 60fps version removes that veil, it's like you're there with them rather than watching a recorded edition of events and the sense of immersion is staggering. In that vein I can understand why the 4K version of the film itself is worthy of higher marks because things like the motif of addressing the viewer directly feels more impersonal and emotionally distant in 24p, but in 60p you can see every tiny little tic and twitch on their faces. Just...wow.

As for the other UHD niceties, I'm watching this in 8-bit 4:2:0 SDR 709 and it's still got a more refined and vibrant colour palette than the regular Blu, with the extra range giving the usual amount of extra depth to highlights. I spotted the shimmering on the Humvee at 1h4m but apart from that no other aliasing/encoding nasties were evident, there's a bunch of banding on the 37 studio logos at the start of the film so I feared the worst (given that it's being dithered down from 10 to 8-bit) but I spotted none during the film itself, not in the skies and not during during the trickier low-APL moments like Billy hiding behind the curtain at the press conference.

The Atmos audio is incroyable too, maybe not the greatest mix you'll ever hear but during the half time show it comes alive and ERMAGERD the bass is delicious, the DTS-HD on the Blu is fine but this is something else.