Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016) - Page 35 - Blu-ray Forum

RockyIII · 03-01-2017, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Because you completely discount "movies have looked like this my whole life" as an argument, for reasons you don't explain. It's a thing. Movie enthusiasts think 24fps looks like film because... it does. Movies looking like film rather than "real life" is a thing people prize because... they do.

You got it all backwards. Movies have been looking the way we do for technological and financial reasons, not because a group of directors sat and went "Oh wow 24fps sure makes movies look like they should"

StingingVelvet · 03-01-2017, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyIII

You got it all backwards. Movies have been looking the way we do for technological and financial reasons, not because a group of directors sat and went "Oh wow 24fps sure makes movies look like they should"

Those technical limitations could have been overcome decades ago, yet we only have three modern movies made not in 24fps. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they don't want to, and for multiple reasons. For a lot of artists it's because it looks like film. For some bean counters it's because it helps cover cheaper effects maybe, sure, but I don't think that's the dominant reason.

Do you think 99% of film-writers shit all over HFR for funsies? For the hell of it? They have no financial stake, they just didn't like it, for the same reasons I don't. Billy Lynn was a box office bomb so obviously the market doesn't care. You and some other tech enthusiasts care, and that's great, but it doesn't change the world.

Maybe James Cameron will make audiences care and we can debate it again then, but for now it is what it is.

puddy77 · 03-01-2017, 02:46 PM

I think you guys are venturing a little too far into the philosophy of film itself. Jean Baudrillard would feel quite at home in this thread.

I think we know where everyone stands on the issue of HFR. And likely never the twain shall meet. Maybe time to move on?

RockyIII · 03-01-2017, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Those technical limitations could have been overcome decades ago, yet we only have three modern movies made not in 24fps. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they don't want to, and for multiple reasons. For a lot of artists it's because it looks like film. For some bean counters it's because it helps cover cheaper effects maybe, sure, but I don't think that's the dominant reason.

Do you think 99% of film-writers shit all over HFR for funsies? For the hell of it? They have no financial stake, they just didn't like it, for the same reasons doesn't change the world.

Maybe James Cameron will make audiences care and we can debate it agaI don't. Billy Lynn was a box office bomb so obviously the market doesn't care. You and some other tech enthusiasts care, and that's great, but it in then, but for now it is what it is.

For a lot of artists it's because it looks like film

^^^This single statement is gold

HeatEquation · 03-01-2017, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Because we have a million films over 100 years and they're all 24fps. Well, all of them since talkies or whatever. It's just how movies look, how the art of it looks. You're poo-pooing that like it means nothing, but to me it obviously means a lot. It's the same with most movie enthusiast writers, critics and industry types too it seems.

This is an early-adopter new tech format section of a home theater website though. There's tons of people in this section just as interested in the tech as they are the movie, or even more so. It's not surprising there are HFR enthusiasts in here, and that's fine, but I'm just trying to frame the discussion of its future with the fact that most movie enthusiasts dislike it, and I doubt it gets much more attention. Unless Cameron makes it happen with his miracle hands.

Movie enthusiasts like what they're told to like because they always, without any exceptions whatsoever, like to appeal to authority. If 60fps all of a sudden becomes apart of every director's artistic intent, movie enthusiasts will eat it up after a couple of years of getting used to it.

Proof: this is exactly what happened with 24p.

HeatEquation · 03-01-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Because you completely discount "movies have looked like this my whole life" as an argument, for reasons you don't explain. It's a thing. Movie enthusiasts think 24fps looks like film because... it does. Movies looking like film rather than "real life" is a thing people prize because... they do.

Would 20p make it look even more like a movie? Why or why not?

RockyIII · 03-01-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Would 20p make it look even more like a movie? Why or why not?

If everything associated with 24fps leads to a more movie-like experience, that means that we must first establish a set parameter of what makes a movie look like a movie.
Where are these set parameters? Oh there are none, as 24fps was more a choice of convenience and practicality...And the fact that it helps studios save a few bucks surely does not hurt either

Steedeel · 03-01-2017, 09:50 PM

In a way I think Ang Lee was a good choice for this sort of movie. He makes beautiful looking films rather than good ones. I include Crouching Dtagon in that. His films entertain me but I always feel he has ran out of ideas. Almost like he compensates with technical shots and techniques rather than concentrating on making a clsssic. Broke back Mountain some would argue was the exception, maybe that will go down in history as his classic.

GC Riot · 03-01-2017, 10:22 PM

Got the disc today and sampled it a bit. I haven't yet upgraded to a UHD tv, but my Xbox One S still plays the discs without a hitch, and this one did still display in its native 60FPS, and I am absolutely blown away by how good this looks. I really wish more filmmakers used this technology, because when utilized well, the level of immersion this provides is just unrivaled. Amazing stuff! Will watch the film with the lady this weekend.

RockyIII · 03-02-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GC Riot

Got the disc today and sampled it a bit. I haven't yet upgraded to a UHD tv, but my Xbox One S still plays the discs without a hitch, and this one did still display in its native 60FPS, and I am absolutely blown away by how good this looks. I really wish more filmmakers used this technology, because when utilized well, the level of immersion this provides is just unrivaled. Amazing stuff! Will watch the film with the lady this weekend.

Not movie-like = FAIL

Tns49 · 03-02-2017, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GC Riot

Got the disc today and sampled it a bit. I haven't yet upgraded to a UHD tv, but my Xbox One S still plays the discs without a hitch, and this one did still display in its native 60FPS, and I am absolutely blown away by how good this looks. I really wish more filmmakers used this technology, because when utilized well, the level of immersion this provides is just unrivaled. Amazing stuff! Will watch the film with the lady this weekend.

On a UHD TV that does 60 FPS, it truly is a new experience.

Note that in TV we have had more than 10 years where some things, mostly sports, have been experienced at true 60P although a lower resolution.

And for some others, it is not 100 years of 24fps. It was only in the late 20's, when audio started to be introduced, thet 24 fps started to become standard.

RockyIII · 03-02-2017, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tns49

On a UHD TV that does 60 FPS, it truly is a new experience.

Note that in TV we have had more than 10 years where some things, mostly sports, have been experienced at true 60P although a lower resolution.

And for some others, it is not 100 years of 24fps. It was only in the late 20's, when audio started to be introduced, thet 24 fps started to become standard.

Can hd projectors play this movie at 60fps?

rroeder · 03-02-2017, 02:33 PM

What happened to my posts from yesterday?

RockyIII · 03-02-2017, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rroeder

What happened to my posts from yesterday?

Probably taken down by mods

rroeder · 03-02-2017, 03:04 PM

Wow really? What did I say that was so terrible??

RockyIII · 03-02-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rroeder

Wow really? What did I say that was so terrible??

Not sure...
So are you going to get this title and enjoy some immersive UHD in 60fps?

Steedeel · 03-02-2017, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyIII

Not sure...
So are you going to get this title and enjoy some immersive UHD in 60fps?

You are persistent aren't you?

RockyIII · 03-02-2017, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are persistent aren't you?

Just staying on topic

Steedeel · 03-02-2017, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyIII

Just staying on topic

I'm hearing this film was shot in 60FPS? Can you confirm this?

RockyIII · 03-02-2017, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

I'm hearing this film was shot in 60FPS? Can you confirm this?

Should be in my mailbox by the time I get home...I will post a thorough review with my very unbias opinion toward 60fps

03-01-2017, 02:46 PM	#683
puddy77 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Trading Score:2	I think you guys are venturing a little too far into the philosophy of film itself. Jean Baudrillard would feel quite at home in this thread. I think we know where everyone stands on the issue of HFR. And likely never the twain shall meet. Maybe time to move on?

03-01-2017, 09:50 PM	#688
Steedeel Blu-ray King Member since:Apr 2011 Location:England 4K collection:284 Blu-ray collection:1253	In a way I think Ang Lee was a good choice for this sort of movie. He makes beautiful looking films rather than good ones. I include Crouching Dtagon in that. His films entertain me but I always feel he has ran out of ideas. Almost like he compensates with technical shots and techniques rather than concentrating on making a clsssic. Broke back Mountain some would argue was the exception, maybe that will go down in history as his classic.

03-01-2017, 10:22 PM	#689
GC Riot Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Gothenburg, Sweden 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:472 DVD collection:21 Trading Score:37	Got the disc today and sampled it a bit. I haven't yet upgraded to a UHD tv, but my Xbox One S still plays the discs without a hitch, and this one did still display in its native 60FPS, and I am absolutely blown away by how good this looks. I really wish more filmmakers used this technology, because when utilized well, the level of immersion this provides is just unrivaled. Amazing stuff! Will watch the film with the lady this weekend.

03-02-2017, 02:33 PM	#693
rroeder Special Member Member since:Mar 2011	What happened to my posts from yesterday?

03-02-2017, 03:04 PM	#695
rroeder Special Member Member since:Mar 2011	Wow really? What did I say that was so terrible??

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