By putting together modules, you can create screens with different sizes and resolutions. Sony will offer it any way you want, but some sample configurations include 1080p with 18 modules at 8 feet x 4 feet, 4K size at 16 feet wide (72 modules), 8K at 32 feet x 18 feet (288 modules) and 16K and 63 feet x 18 feet (576 modules).
It sounds a bit like putting together Lego, except that each "block" reportedly costs around $10,000. That means the 4K screen would run around $720,000, while the 16K unit would cost you a whopping $5.8 million.
Even a HD configuration with controller/interfaces/mounting frame would run you a cool $180,000 you know. Based on that initial information.
Never understood this idea that sports always benefits from higher resolutions, as opposed to higher frame rates. I'd rather watch football in 1080p@120Hz rather than 4320p@30Hz.
Spot on, absolutely spot on. Temporal resolution is the thing with fast moving content, not spatial resolution.
Never understood this idea that sports always benefits from higher resolutions, as opposed to higher frame rates. I'd rather watch football in 1080p@120Hz rather than 4320p@30Hz.
I’d rather watch football on my 720p 50px80 plasma than on my my E8 oled. Of course most broadcasts are 720p, and my paranoia of burn in also factors.
Put the logo dimming feature on, and set to high for broadcast TV. It's not that difficult. And it's not detrimental to neuter what is usually a garishly bright channel logo in the first place.
I don't mind a "dim" picture for sports, as well, so even more I'm covered. I used to notice image retention every single day on plasma watching Aussie Rules. Well so rarely notice it on the B8 so far with judicious use of settings.
I used to do that with an old plasma, set sports to an ultra-dim mode. Still retained it like a mofo, I had to resort to mangling the image with the aspect ratio control to try and crop out any logos and scoreboards. Not saying OLED is the same, far from it, but that demo that Vincent Teoh did of the retention dissipating on the new Panny vs the LG has done nothing to disquiet that little voice in my head.
Sony has been using the phrase “beyond definition” in promotional literature for a while, and it’s a very apposite slogan. We hardly need to say that more pixels aren’t really a priority anymore, at least for conventional film and TV (VR differs.) But the adoption rate for UHD makes for interesting reading.
Right now, in September 2019, it’s almost as if two trade shows are somehow arguing with each other.
We don’t usually cover the IFA show in Berlin - we were there looking at Asus’s new monitor. It was interesting though, because while IFA bulged at the seams with manufacturers desperate to persuade us that 8K is now the default, a seminar at IBC told a slightly different story, and backed it up with data.
The RAI’s Forum is an auditorium seating a few hundred people, and it was sparsely attended for a seminar entitled “Beyond the Pixel Race: Preserving Creative Intent from UHD and HDR to 8K and Beyond.” Clunky title aside, the speaker lineup covered a lot of bases, with natural history camera specialist Gail Jenkinson, Mike Zink from Warner, and Maria Rua Aguete from industry analysis outfit IHS Markit.
While organisations like Warner are understandably keen to sell people on the advantages of resolution, the numbers, provided by IHS Markit, are actually rather sobering. The fastest growth rates in consumer takeup are in China, although the sheer number of people in the country means that takeup will be only 42% by 2023. Western Europe and the USA currently lag behind, but are expected to catch up to 46% and 50% by the same time, because of a faster replacement rate of home tech in the west.
The thing is, those aren’t the numbers for 8K. Those are the numbers for 4K. By comparison, 8K barely blips the graphs.
Perhaps the most surprising result is from Japan, where UHD takeup is likely to struggle to barely 19% by 2020 and 32% by 2023. The supposition is that comparatively few Japanese apartments have space for a TV big enough to make even 4K, let alone 8K, meaningful (the average millennial Londoner might feel the same way.)
It’s a ringing irony in the place where NHK have been very publicly gearing-up for an 8K Olympics next year. Very few domestic viewers will be equipped to enjoy it. The opposite problem exists in the USA and, to a much greater extent, in China, where 4K (not to say 8K) TV shipments proportionally outstrip the availability of content for them. This imbalance is less pronounced in Western Europe, where around 60% of TVs shipped are UHD, and about 60% of “linear channels” offer it, though it’s not quite clear whether that’s new startup channels; certainly in the UK it is not the case that 60% of all TV is available in 4K.
Continued rise for 8K
Projected sales figures out to 2023 do show a continued increase in 8K uptake for all regions except Japan. Those increases roll off somewhat, as one might expect for a new technology, though it’s not really clear whether that rolloff is due to saturation (everyone has one already) or a simple lack of public interest. In the end, 8K has always been questioned by people aware that the it isn’t often detectably better than 4K, and there’s some hint the market might have realised that.
Warner’s Mike Zink tells us that the company took care to package and promote 4K with HDR and wide colour gamut, a package of technologies that represent real-world improvements that everyone can readily see. It’s not clear, however, what will be packaged with 8K to have the same effect.
There’s no harm in 8K. There’s every reason to shoot higher resolutions than we’ll distribute. Bayer sensors look much better when scaled down, and Gail Jenkinson, as an experienced nature documentarist, was enthusiastic about the options to crop, reframe and stabilise 8K material. And, sure, if we want to go ahead and distribute 8K, there’s no harm in that so long as we don’t allow the technical challenges to compromise other things.
But we are certainly, as Sony put it, well, well beyond definition, which might mean that it doesn’t really matter whether everyone has an 8K TV or not. What they have is sufficient for the screen size, and that’s enough.
Aye, shooting at 8K for a 4K or 2K finish will give you greater colour resolution in that final product, no-one's throwing 8K under the bus in terms of acquisition. But for the final product as displayed in homes, what else is there other than the 8K resolution itself? The actual 8K "specs" as a format aren't exceeding the 2020 gamut and 10k nit capability of current HDR any time soon, and there's no sign of any movement on HFR either. Yes, 8K displays will bring with them improvements in the actual display tech itself, of course they would, just as new 4K TVs would do if given the same tech! (Backlighting, AI processing etc.) But it follows that 8K will soon become the de facto standard for large panel production.
I used to do that with an old plasma, set sports to an ultra-dim mode. Still retained it like a mofo, I had to resort to mangling the image with the aspect ratio control to try and crop out any logos and scoreboards. Not saying OLED is the same, far from it, but that demo that Vincent Teoh did of the retention dissipating on the new Panny vs the LG has done nothing to disquiet that little voice in my head.
Having the Panasonic be even better compared to Plasma tech is a bonus, sure, (one I would take, cost permitting) but to me that bonus is only piece of mind vs practical. Because you have to artificially overblow the issue in the first place, on either panel.
I say this as he very specifically mentions making the camera settings messed with to highlight the phenomenon. In person we who experience at least know its nothing like the demo viewed on YT.
from ^ ->"But we are certainly, as Sony put it, well, well beyond definition, which might mean that it doesn’t really matter whether everyone has an 8K TV or not. What they have is sufficient for the screen size, and that’s enough."
I see this ^ same generational divide played out often when I visit friends’ homes where us ‘old’ folks are watching something on a respectable sized TV whereas the kids (even into their 20’s) are viewing the same or other content on their tiny mobile devices while multitasking.
An 8k projector might be worth it to me but not so sure about an 8k tv. 65 inches is as big as I want to go for a tv.
For some folks an 85" class TV is the perfect 8K size.
I was just looking @ a Sony one the other Day (85" size) ... from about 6-7 feet away it's perfect. Avengers: Endgame 4K Blu was playing ...
I'd go OLED 100" (8K).
* The content is not important; it's the upscalink of 4K to 8K that is.
If only they could also support 3D upscalink to 8K ...
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