Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[jonmoz]

Acording to the "Digital bits review",Bill hunt compared the Films to the Hd broadcasts,and any issues on the Blu-ray's were on the Hd broadcasts as well,which points to the fact that it's the way the films are.

Don't forget a lot of "DNR" is applied post production,so this can hardly be a Blu-ray transfer's fault.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I would imagine alot of it has to do with a "glass half-full or half-empty" mind set. For some, the glass is not only half-empty, it also has a hole in it.

I would like to have both versions of the trilogy on Blu and have them both 5/5 for both PQ and AQ.

I also wanted to have the various typos fixed in the books. But they weren't until a few years ago. It took half a century to get one unified text for LOTR with all the various revisions and corrections. I still enjoyed reading the books before the fixes.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Exactly which is why this is SO subjective. There are MANY factors (screen size, seating distance, general sensitivity, being experienced enough to see the issues in the first place, etc............) that can and will contribute to how much or how little this will bother you. The problem is there are NUMEROUS reports and reviews now that have found severe issues which is a HUGE red flag for those of us with bigger screens, closer seating distances and who are sensitive to these issues If it doesnt bother you that is great, but for those of us who are sensitive, these issues are a HUGE detriment. Many who have reported these issues are VERY well known in the A/V world and have VERY high credibility..........If anything for me, this has helped weed out the reviewers I want to read, and those I dont since this helps find reviewers who closer match my viewing experience. I am sensitive to these issues and I want to read reviews from reviewers who are the same and who are knowledgeable enough to see the issues in the first place.

"The problem is there are NUMEROUS reports and reviews now that have found severe issues which is a HUGE red flag for those of us with bigger screens, closer seating distances and who are sensitive to these issues"

What are these major red flags?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

Acording to the "Digital bits review",Bill hunt compared the Films to the Hd broadcasts,and any issues on the Blu-ray's were on the Hd broadcasts as well,which points to the fact that it's the way the films are.

Don't forget a lot of "DNR" is applied post production,so this can hardly be a Blu-ray transfer's fault.

We have been over this a thousand times in this thread............Bill is just one review. I could do the same for my argument and reference Daves review where he PROVES by actual evidence (does Bill do this?) that there are issues in the blu ray NOT present in the HDTV broadcast which is CLEARLY obvious looking at the shots.............fine detail in MANY of these scenes is clearly inferior in the blu ray.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

Acording to the "Digital bits review",Bill hunt compared the Films to the Hd broadcasts,and any issues on the Blu-ray's were on the Hd broadcasts as well,which points to the fact that it's the way the films are.

Don't forget a lot of "DNR" is applied post production,so this can hardly be a Blu-ray transfer's fault.

It's not really about that either IMO, these movies can be redone and get a brand new "post production" that could take advantage of Blu-ray's technology to the fullest.
Yes Fellowship had a smaller budget and the tech at the time was not up to par, but it is today!
So why not give LOTR the full treatment it surely deserves?

[jonmoz]

I have a bigger screen and have very few issues with the Blu-ray's,and no "Huge red flags" as you put it.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by mredman

"The problem is there are NUMEROUS reports and reviews now that have found severe issues which is a HUGE red flag for those of us with bigger screens, closer seating distances and who are sensitive to these issues"

What are these major red flags?

The severe isssues..........read the sentence again. I dont know how I can make this more clear in all due respect. I was talking about those of us who are sensitive to these issues which puts up a BIG red flag as far as how much we will enjoy this release from a PQ perspective.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I have a bigger screen and have very few issues with the Blu-ray's,and no "Huge red flags" as you put it.

That is great, but you are just one opinion in all due respect. People who I have grown to trust through experience over the YEARS have reported just the opposite. Not everyone is bothered by this or even has enough experience to be bothered by it. I am not saying either about you in particular, but there are MANY factors that contribute to how much or how little these type of things bother you. If you fall into the latter camp, then enjoy the films and dont worry about those of us who suffer over issues like this The issues are there and that is not even a matter of debate at this point all things considered.

[jonmoz]

To be fair "Bills" to review he stands by it 100%,and even says at the end not to take his word for it,but to make up your own mind.

Which is quite rare these days.

[Farscape1]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I have a bigger screen and have very few issues with the Blu-ray's,and no "Huge red flags" as you put it.

Lets face it, it's about money! How many times have movies been redone because of the low quality or just redone in different formats. They have the technology to do this right they should give it a pristine 1080p picture. Hell even DTV is looking like crap because there moving channels around and taking up bandwidth trying to cram more channels in. What pisses me off is they feed you this whole numbers game 720p/1080p and now 1440p and the picture still looks like shit because there messing with the bandwidth etc.. Lord of the Rings looked very good on DTV when they played them a few months back I was hoping for a even better restoration on Blu, looks like we might have to wait as well.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

To be fair "Bills" to review he stands by it 100%,and even says at the end not to take his word for it,but to make up your own mind.

Which is quite rare these days.

And so does the youtube user review, and so does Dave, and so does Ken..........so what?


Bill stands by it 100%? That is funny since he changed his initial review score of 17.5 to a 17 for PQ when he made his little alteration to his review I certainly dont call that standing by your review 100%.

[Chordata]

Why'd he change it? Was it simply a scrivener's error?

[jonmoz]

When are people going to realise that no matter how much money you throw at certain Blu-ray transfers,they still will only look so good.

[jonmoz]

Bill might have made an error when he posted the review? who knows but the difference is hardly groundbreaking.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Why'd he change it? Was it simply a scrivener's error?

Well that would be ironic considering he changed it when he made his change to his review which was in reference to the PQ issues. Seems perfectly clear why he changed it IMO. This is not standing by your review 100% though, that is for sure.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

When are people going to realise that no matter how much money you throw at certain Blu-ray transfers,they still will only look so good.

Originally Posted by Q!

It's not really about that either IMO, these movies can be redone and get a brand new "post production" that could take advantage of Blu-ray's technology to the fullest.
Yes Fellowship had a smaller budget and the tech at the time was not up to par, but it is today!
So why not give LOTR the full treatment it surely deserves?

I disagree here, look at the flashback scenes from Fellowship that are in The Two Towers, I've read that they look better than the scenes in the actual Fellowship movie, there hasn't been anybody who's commented that who has the actual Blu-ray's, of course I could be wrong.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

Bill might have made an error when he posted the review? who knows but the difference is hardly groundbreaking.

It certainly is not standing by your review 100% either. Like I said above, you really think this was a initial mistake considering he changed the score when he added his little PQ comments? I dont buy that for a second.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Farscape1

Lets face it, it's about money! How many times have movies been redone because of the low quality or just redone in different formats. They have the technology to do this right they should give it a pristine 1080p picture.

This is sort of what I'm thinking. These movies were amazing in the theaters not long ago. Somewhere they exist in a better form and higher resolution than you can get with Blu Ray. (4K at least... There had to have been digital projection versions of these for theaters that had that back then.) It looked "real" on huge screens.

They have given reference quality audio with this release and compromised video. I honestly think it's by design. They know they will own the sales chart with these even if they sell them in a plain brown bag.

A better job should have been done and I have to believe a better job is only a matter of time.

Anyways,... I could use with sitting out this round and keeping my money for the other version on the off chance that it's done right.

=Brian

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by Q!

It's not really about that either IMO, these movies can be redone and get a brand new "post production" that could take advantage of Blu-ray's technology to the fullest.
Yes Fellowship had a smaller budget and the tech at the time was not up to par, but it is today!
So why not give LOTR the full treatment it surely deserves?

Wasn't the movies shot in the late 90's?I don't buy the argument that filmstock then was radically worse than today.Look at Untouchables.It looks stunning with crisp details.Also,I don't remember FoTR to be that bland in the theaters judging from the screenshots here. . . .

Think I will get FoTR anyway,but have no illusions about it being a good transfer from what is posted here,and that youtube reviewer.He seemed genuine enough to me.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Well that would be ironic considering he changed it when he made his change to his review which was in reference to the PQ issues. Seems perfectly clear why he changed it IMO. This is not standing by your review 100% though, that is for sure.

What did he change? If he only changed the number from a 17.5 to a 17, it might simply be an error that was fixed.

I don't have a play-by-play of what his review looked like before the alleged change, and what it looked like afterwards. Fortunately, I do not have time to conduct that sort of analysis.

Maybe he left something out. Maybe his secretary incorrectly wrote "17.5" instead of "17." Maybe the dog ate his homework.