The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Wow what an improvement over the DVD EE and the TE Blu ray's Thanks for posting them. I can't wait until I get them! I see better detail and I like the look of the Film better.

Of course people start to like this abominable look if they get constantly exposed to it, as they are by too many recent movies. I just saw some stills of the new Transformers and guess what: Same color all over the place. And this morning I read a review of Sucker Punch. Also lots and lots of puky teal.

I wonder when some start thinking that the real world is discolored...

For me it's still yuck, detail improvement or not.

[Ssnake]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Agreed. You can see it in the fire when that pops up as well.......ugly. Detail certainly looks fantastic though, but the "green" issue is a big negative and really brings down the whole presentation to some degree IMO.

Frodo's shirt looks white to me in that fireworks scene. Even the hobbit's teeth near the end of the scene look white. Flesh tones seem natural Grass at night looks fine to me.

I'm starting to change my mind and am thinking some people are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to this issue.

Course it could also depend on what sort of computer monitor people are using to view these videos and screen shots. Most lcd monitors are lousy for displaying colors accurately.

[thecathedral]

It's just a couple of people and their sock puppet accounts.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Ssnake

Course it could also depend on what sort of computer monitor people are using to view these videos and screen shots. Most lcd monitors are lousy for displaying colors accurately.

Just a reminder: The fade to white scene has a color of RGB(190, 220, 180) which is a heavily tinted green, not white. And that color is overlaid over the entire film.

Oh, and BTW, I have connected my PC to my TV as a secondary monitor so I can check directly there and guess what: Still all green. More green in fact because I have calibrated my monitor with a slight magenta push because I feel more comfortable with that. On my TV I can't do that and colors are in neutral mode. So, if anything, my monitor setup should help reduce the problem of the green tint but it doesn't.

The only reason why some people don't seem to notice is that apparently color sensitivity can differ. Some people react more strongly than others.

Originally Posted by thecathedral

It's just a couple of people and their sock puppet accounts.

Same can be said the other way around. Think about it: Warner has an interest to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong here so that they don't have to issue a recall.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

I take it back. I would get replacements if the current color timing was removed. However, I'd send my discs with a note asking if they would let me keep the discs being replaced so I can have both versions.

[Goldengirl]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

I have never had a problem getting a catalog title from netflix either streaming or by mail.

there is a problem. I'm still waiting, for example, for An Affair to Remember and Topsy-Turvy, both of which I want to preview in Blu-ray on disc. There have been others. Netflix is indeed bad about this, and I no longer view them as the answer to this FotR EE dilemma-- although they did get the BD of the theatrical, so who knows.

[blu2]

Are there any clips that illustrate the "fade to green" per http://postimage.org/image/2zaubxdpg/

That would surely be pretty solid ground for something having gone horribly wrong?

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by PGW

Let's see.. lemme think...

Um... NO.

If Peter Jackson comes out and says: "I fully intended only the first movie to look like you're watching it from the bottom of a swimming pool!" it ISN'T a "moot point." The blu-ray will STILL look like:

A) Defective
B) Crap

... and I STILL won't buy it, and I'll STILL complain.

If you don't want to read it... fine. Go read some other thread, or find a fan site where major-league screw-ups like this was brushed away.

As for the guy who posted that silly "I love the green snow! Middle Earth is supposed to be fantastical!" comment (I'm paraphrasing)... well, did Middle Earth STOP being "fantastical" at the beginning of the "Two Towers"? Why aren't those of you who adore the lovely new green tint upset that it hasn't been applied to the other two films? Or do you make up some other rationalization, like "Well, each film in the trilogy should have a different color scheme... it's the DIRECTOR'S INTENT (cue "Also Sprach Zarathustra").

Seriously. If the whole film came out backwards and reversed, there'd be a crowd here would say: "It looks great! Peter Jackson approved it! I love it! It's an artistic choice! SHUT UP!"

The truth is, even if he says this is the way they want it, are you really going to believe that? Seriously, is not WB with him on the new movies? There's a conflict of intrest reg flag if I ever saw one. Do you really think you're going to get the truth there?

[Ssnake]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Just a reminder: The fade to white scene has a color of RGB(190, 220, 180) which is a heavily tinted green, not white. And that color is overlaid over the entire film.

The fade to white scene I've seen posted does look green. But maybe PJ wants it to look like that.

And to repeat, in the 3 youtube clips that were linked to above, the skin tones look completely realisitic to me. Frodo's shirt is white looking in the fireworks scene. Near the end of the fireworks scene Merry and Pippin's teeth are white. The soap suds are white.

[thecathedral]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Same can be said the other way around. Think about it: Warner has an interest to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong here so that they don't have to issue a recall.

The key to being a good Sock puppet is not trying too hard.

Tone it down a bit.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Ssnake

The fade to white scene I've seen posted does look green. But maybe PJ wants it to look like that.

And to repeat, in the 3 youtube clips that were linked to above, the skin tones look completely realisitic to me. Frodo's shirt is white looking in the fireworks scene. Near the end of the fireworks scene Merry and Pippin's teeth are white. The soap suds are white.

The soap suds are tinted green as well. Hold up a piece of white paper and the green should be obvious if you dont see it otherwise. Actually you dont even need to do that.....just look at the white background on the youtube page when the picture is downsized and compare to the suds.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Just a reminder: The fade to white scene has a color of RGB(190, 220, 180) which is a heavily tinted green, not white. And that color is overlaid over the entire film.

Oh, and BTW, I have connected my PC to my TV as a secondary monitor so I can check directly there and guess what: Still all green. More green in fact because I have calibrated my monitor with a slight magenta push because I feel more comfortable with that. On my TV I can't do that and colors are in neutral mode. So, if anything, my monitor setup should help reduce the problem of the green tint but it doesn't.

The only reason why some people don't seem to notice is that apparently color sensitivity can differ. Some people react more strongly than others.


Same can be said the other way around. Think about it: Warner has an interest to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong here so that they don't have to issue a recall.

Also, I think there are a bunch of people who are still photographers like myself who deal with images all the time. Our eyes are VERY attuned to any change, be it slight or gross. This is a gross change that muddies up the film. Places in the movie that had warmth and should have warmth no longer do. The shire is no longer a place of peace and warmth, but now....rather a once joyful vista locked behind the trappings of a green glass container. The entire feeling and mood has been changed to what I can best describe as DREARY. CLEARLY at the very least we have an artistic F-UP here.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Ssnake

Frodo's shirt looks white to me in that fireworks scene. Even the hobbit's teeth near the end of the scene look white.

Maybe my passion as a photographer makes me hypersensitive to color, but Frodo's shirt is hardly white and those hobbit's teeth aren't white either.

I paused the fireworks video clip at two appropriate spots and grabbed two stills, one showing Frodo's shirt and the other showing the hobbit's teeth near the end of the video. I then brought those clips into Photoshop and sampled the "white" of Frodo's shirt and the "white" of a hobbit's tooth. I had Photoshop's color picker/sample tool set to display true white (255, 255, 255) in the "current" spot in the tool. Then I placed the cursor over a "white" area on Frodo's shirt and sampled the color. The color under the cursor then gets set in the "new" spot in the tool and the color values for that sample are shown in the dialog. The red arrow in the image points to the spot on Frodo's shirt where I took the color sample.



Surprise!!! A teal tint! The RGB value of the color on Frodo's shirt is Red: 178, Green: 195, Blue: 168. DEFINITELY a greenish tint.

I repeated the same process on a hobbit tooth. The red arrow points to the tooth I sampled.



Not quite as green as the "white" on Frodo's shirt, but certainly not white. I'd call it a grey with greenish tinges.


Further proof that this teal/green tint is THROUGHOUT the entire movie. The bigger the area of white (snow, clouds, mist) or the bigger the area of colors that are more influenced by a green tint, like blue (sky), the more noticeable the teal/green tint becomes.

BLEH!

Mark

[Todd Smith]

^^^^^^Great Post.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by blu2

There's a discussion thread on PJ's facebook page on the topic.

http://www.facebook.com/PeterJackson...57&topic=17416

Hopefully everyone who would like PJ to set the story straight will politely add to the discussion.

Indeed! You may want to link some posts from this thread as illustrations of your point(s), respectfully.

Also, it may not be a bad idea for someone to add as a P.S., or an aside in their query to P.J., something to the effect like a question as to his current project (The Hobbit) and ask him if they are using a Mistika based workflow during post to handle all the data –
http://www.sgomistika.com/mistika-di...g/di-workflow/

for, very few folks are aware of such a geeky nuance as that and it will certainly perk his interest in the fact that you mention it and are an apparent fan of both his past as well as his upcoming filmmaking.

Just a thought.

[georgec]

This new transfer is not the FOTR I love. If I wanted unnecessary tinting I'd watch a Michael Bay movie. Jesus, every movie these days has a green, blue, or orange tint. Why?

I hope to hear something from the studio or Jackson himself soon...

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by georgec

This new transfer is not the FOTR I love. If I wanted unnecessary tinting I'd watch a Michael Bay movie. Jesus, every movie these days has a green, blue, or orange tint. Why?

I hope to hear something from the studio or Jackson himself soon...

Jeez those hatchet jobs to Star Wars are not the Star Wars that I love.....at least you guys got the theatricals the way they were seen. I dont see what all the crying is about.

[Fors*]

Well, since the green haze seems to be the way it is and I personally don't like it, this set will need to go down in price before I will buy it. I have never even seen the EE's yet either, but I have waited this long, and I can wait another 6 months or so when it goes down in price around Black Friday before I will buy the set.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

Agreed. Blu-ray has been around a good 5 years plus for most people, it's not like it's a new format anymore. Meaning, I can't see $84 for this set right now with those 9 DVDs being recycled. I was willing to pay $60 tops (20 per movie), but now that it contains Fellowship of the Green rather than Fellowship of the Ring, I will resist the temptation until around the $40 mark.

Yeah, green, red or blu haze....I would buy this set. I am just too big of a fan (see my gallery ) . However, what I can't do, is buy this set now at the current price point with that green haze.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by georgec

This new transfer is not the FOTR I love. If I wanted unnecessary tinting I'd watch a Michael Bay movie. Jesus, every movie these days has a green, blue, or orange tint. Why?

I hope to hear something from the studio or Jackson himself soon...

You're absolutely right. The overuse, were talking way overuse of these tints and or certain kinds of filmstock you see in so many movies these days has gone from occassional artistic to fadish misuse. Look at the music industry and the use of autotune. What a joke that is.