The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by Cinemaddict

This looks like the nail in the coffin to me:



Something is not right here. It's hard to imagine PJ or Lesnie saying "would you mind making the titles a bit green? Yeah, that'd be great!"

Okay, how come this gets posted over and over again but no one took the time to check if it was actually "pure white" to begin with on the DVD? Hint: It wasn't.



To my eyes, it looks about as green now as it was blue before.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

So that said, while I assume Mark has verified the sources of the images he's received --- why are we more willing to accept those sources, than we are the words of a well-respected member of the movie community and professional reviewer?

I think it comes down to the difference between witnessing something and accepting hearsay as fact. Some people are posting actual frame captures (allegedly accurate and untampered with,) some aren't and are just describing what they saw when watching it (which isn't necessarily "not accurate," it just lacks solid visual proof to back it up.) It's hard to argue with captures that exhibit obvious, unusual green bias from many different sources. No one has yet posted actual frame captures of these scenes that do not exhibit this new color timing.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Hmm... You?

I am not one of those "fanboy or LOTR nerd" as you smuggly call them, I have not even read the books, and my admiration for the movies is quite mixed with dislike for many elements and creative decisions.

So no, it is not a case of people "taking elves and dwarves SO seriously", as you so mockingly put it, but people CARING about cinema and films integrity and preservation.

Something you have already expressly stated several times in several manners along this thread that you don't, more so where these films are regarded.

So, please, you can keep not caring, but let us those who DO care about such silly, inconsequential things keep on worrying and complaining.

I admire the wishes of the creator. After all, he made the film. As the author, he is entitled to do whatever he wants with it. Sorry if you feel like more of the author than PJ.

As far as caring about cinema... I'm a repped screenwriter in Hollywood, and am directing a feature film as we speak. So I think I know exactly where I stand in regards to cinema, its history, heritage, AND it's business.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Ugly Pig

Okay, how come this gets posted over and over again but no one took the time to check if it was actually "pure white" to begin with on the DVD? Hint: It wasn't.



To my eyes, it looks about as green now as it was blue before.

HAHAHAHA priceless.

[Todd Smith]

A quote from Ken's review..............

Even the film's white title letters exhibit the same green/cyan hue as the shots that first brought attention to the tint

I am guessing RAH was talking about the main title "The Lord of the Rings" when he made his comment which would be gold (with a green tint?)

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

A quote from Ken's review..............

Even the film's white title letters exhibit the same green/cyan hue as the shots that first brought attention to the tint

I am guessing RAH was talking about the main title "Lord of the Rings" when he made his comment which would be gold (with a green tint?)

No he was not, please see my post #4617

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by retablo

HAHAHAHA priceless.

Again, we've come full circle.

No one was claiming the original timing had perfect true to life color, it wasn't meant to, it's just that if you apply this new green tint to these scenes (that were carefully made for that specific color timing) it drastically changes the appearance overall and several portions now look hugely different (and "off"). The original snow scenes also had a light, cool blue bias too. With the overbearing green tint overpowering this they now appear completely different and it is noticeable (as in, "green").

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post4860328

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post4860400

Scenes that looked a certain way (Hobbiton being warm and welcoming) now look completely odd and different than they once did, to the point where even the sky now looks green because of it (which illustrates how drastic the difference is.)

And yeah, the title looks odd green.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

No he was not, please see my post #4617

Here is the quote you linked.........

"This is not what the film looks like decoded from a normal Blu-ray player and played back on a tuned system. While there may be a bit of density to the Main Title, it is absolutely not green."

I take "main title" to be "The Lord of the Rings" (which is gold and would make sense) especially considering Ken confirmed the green lettering in his review here at bluray.com

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by retablo

It is SUPPOSEDLY taken from the blu-ray... but why doesn't Robert Harris see it on his calibrated system?

I have no idea how one could perceive that clearly green text as yellow. Maybe because he's one of those who are less sensitive to color changes?

I may not be an expert but to me, if 'properly calibrated' means that green turns into yellow, something isn't right.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Again, we've come full circle.

No one was claiming the original timing had perfect true to life color

Well some people were but yes, the general complaint (from the non-revisionist group) was simply about the now green tint.

The revisionist group, would want the fellowship title to reflect that blueish-gray hue.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Here is the quote you linked.........

"This is not what the film looks like decoded from a normal Blu-ray player and played back on a tuned system. While there may be a bit of density to the Main Title, it is absolutely not green."

I take "main title" to be "The Lord of the Rings" (which is gold and would make sense) especially considering Ken confirmed the green lettering in his review here at bluray.com

If you click the imageshack link refered too it clearly shows the fellowship of the rings title, so can assume he is talking about this.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

If you click the imageshack link refered too it clearly shows the fellowship of the rings title, so can assume he is talking about this.

He confirmed over on AVS that "Fellowship" is white and LOTR is gold. Ken confirmed green for Fellowship in his review so we either have bad discs out there, or RAH is not seeing the green tint for whatever reason.......who knows. The fact that Ken IS seeing this green in the letters though would strongly suggest that the images linked here showing the green tint are accurate.

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by retablo

I admire the wishes of the creator. After all, he made the film. As the author, he is entitled to do whatever he wants with it. Sorry if you feel like more of the author than PJ.

As far as caring about cinema... I'm a repped screenwriter in Hollywood, and am directing a feature film as we speak. So I think I know exactly where I stand in regards to cinema, its history, heritage, AND it's business.

This is my last post in reply to you, because it's very exhausting trying to have any kind of rational debate with you, and I confess I feel uncapable of keeping this absurd dialog without resorting to insults, which I obviously won't.

I –and others like me, I guess– keep posting on this thread because there are plenty of indications and potential evidence pointing out to serious color-palette modifications having been performed on the Extended Edition of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING that are a noticeable deviation from the original material. Of course, until we all get to really watch the BD at home, there's no way to ascertain how true to facts are those indications, and how much they really affect the integrity of the film and our enjoyment of it. But potential evidences are so abundant now and from many different sources that they can not be easily discarded, so we are worried, very worried. So we are expressing our firm disagreement over these alterations, no matter whether they were dictated by Jackson or not. That's a completely different debate, and this being an error or a creative decision does not factor in the opinion of many posters here, including me: this is WRONG. So we keep on posting and, yes, complaining, because we want the film to be released in a way more respectful with the original material, and we hope our complaints may be instrumental in getting that. Our "uproar" has a purpose.

I have no desire to be "right" about this, quite the opposite. I really wish I will be proven wrong, all my worries unfounded.

You, on the other hand, have stated repeatedly that a) you are quite content with the color alteration to the film, and b) any alteration would be ok with you, provided is dictated by the "creator", namely Peter Jackson and/or his DP here.

So, really, what else do you have to add or say on the matter? Why do you keep on posting? What's the purpose of your incesant replies to every poster who disagrees with you, only to tell them what basically ammounts to "you are WRONG", peppered with smug remarks and partial or false arguments?

If the BD release finally ends up to be the way those screen caps indicate, that is, a green-push deviation of the materials as we knew them, you will be more than happy with it.

So, it seems to me that the only reason that brings you here time and time again is to proclaim yourself RIGHT.

That is a very sad and unhealthy attitde, not to mention that it does not add anything of interest to the matter. And it is an attitude I certainly don't have the will to encourage.

A reasonable person would stop, but you can keep filling this thread with puerile noise while embarrassing yourself in the process.

P.s. As for your being "a repped screenwriter in Hollywood, and am directing a feature film as we speak" remark... Well, it speaks for itself, I will say nothing else than see my comment above about "puerile" and "embarrassing yourself".

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

No one was claiming the original timing had perfect true to life color, it wasn't meant to, it's just that if you apply this new green tint to these scenes (that were carefully made for that specific color timing) it drastically changes the appearance overall and several portions now look hugely different (and "off").

I don't think anyone is arguing that it doesn't look different.

But as I recall, some were arguing that the green in the title was "undeniable proof" that a blanket green tint has been imposed across the whole film. Following that logic, the blue in my screenshot must surely be "undeniable proof" that a blanket blue tint was imposed across the whole film on the original DVD, in which case; who is to say it was any more "correct" than the new transfer?

Do note, I personally don't buy into that line of logic at all (that a slight tint over the title "proves" that it's there for the duration of the movie). I'm just sayin'.

[Cinemaddict]

Fellowship is the only film with color problems right?

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

or RAH is not seeing the green tint for whatever reason.......

Apparently RAH is seeing a yellow tint for some reason. Green...yellow...whatever. Both indicate something is wrong.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

P.s. As for your being "a repped screenwriter in Hollywood, and am directing a feature film as we speak" remark... Well, it speaks for itself, I will say nothing else than see my comment above about "puerile" and "embarrassing yourself".

Heh. He never misses a chance to mention that. You know he's also a professional photographer as well, right?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Ugly Pig

What, this?



That was always there in the TE. This screenshot is from the original DVD.

This title wasn't present on the UK DVD's of the TE's (it's part of the subtitle track and completely absent from the EE). I guess for language variations, even though the discs only have English subtitles and audio....

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Ugly Pig

I don't think anyone is arguing that it doesn't look different.

But as I recall, some were arguing that the green in the title was "undeniable proof" that a blanket green tint has been imposed across the whole film. Following that logic, the blue in my screenshot must surely be "undeniable proof" that a blanket blue tint was imposed across the whole film

No, as there are many, many examples of scenes that feature a variety of color biases in the original presentation. Some red (Rivendell for example,) some green (some scenes in the Shire, and prancing pony for example,) some blue (Sauromon for example,) etc.... even "portion-by-portion" rather than over the entire image too. This is pretty well detailed in the "Digital grading" featurette linked earlier.

This new timing seems to exhibit green consistently through the whole presentation and image (changing the blue sky green, etc.), almost "over" the old timing if that makes any sense (almost like the hue or saturation or whatever was botched, as someone brought up before.) When corrected for the green tint scenes start to mirror the old color timing.

Originally Posted by Cinemaddict

Fellowship is the only film with color problems right?

Yes, the other two don't have the green tint.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

He confirmed over on AVS that "Fellowship" is white and LOTR is gold. Ken confirmed green for Fellowship in his review so we either have bad discs out there, or RAH is not seeing the green tint for whatever reason.......who knows. The fact that Ken IS seeing this green in the letters though would strongly suggest that the images linked here showing the green tint are accurate.

Agreed, will only know for sure once we can review our own copies. Not too long now

[Velmeran]

Oh and Roy, pretty sure in general your going to be disappointed with this release. It has been confirmed 100% that there is a new color grade for the BD EE's. The only thing we're left wondering and waiting on, is if the supposed extra green tint is intentional or not.

(Edit Removed the rest as Roy addressed it and it served no point leaving it here)