The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by Farid

I just cancelled. C'mon guys, let's send a message to the studio/PJ.

i'm placing a pre-order with Amazon now, just so i can cancel it tomorrow

though even better would be to accept delivery, then return the set for a refund, citing the problem with FOTR


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[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by retablo

My point exactly. The new prints have the new color timing... so how is it a mistake?

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Your initial post said

"In addition, no one even saw these in the theater because they are the Extended Editions."

Which sounded like you were saying the Extended Versions had never been seen in the theater. Roy and I were just pointing out that along with the initial EE release on DVD, the EE were released in selected theaters. And they were done so recently with the updated master for the BD release.

And not so recently.

Don't forget that many of us attended the THE LORD OF THE RINGS - IN CONCERT shows, both for "The Fellowship..." and "The Two Towers", and I can assure you that it did NOT show this alien green push.

Retablo keeps making up arguments that then he tries to pass for facts to support his point of view.

[diman1982]

BTW, the end rolling titles are pure white on pure black. Just after "songs by enya".
Looks like some "good" person didnot want to spoil credits for us

[Cinemaddict]

I think there must be an error with the BD. I am about as convinced as I could be without viewing the BD for myself.

I saw Fellowship in theaters last week. I think if the snow shots had looked like the BD caps I am seeing here, I would have noticed. Is anyone reporting that the snow looked green in theaters?

I did notice a few differences in color throughout the film. The Aragorn/Boromir conversation in Lothlorien was the most obvious. I think what I saw in theaters last week was rock solid awesome. Then something happened when they rock solid awesome film was transferred to BD.

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

When I bought the TE of FotR on Black Friday, my copy had a date of the present day in time line after the prologue.

What, this?



That was always there in the TE. This screenshot is from the original DVD.

Originally Posted by retablo

From my understanding, they were never released in theatres until now.

The EEs had limited theatrical runs back in the day, so yes they were.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

And not so recently.

Don't forget that many of us attended the THE LORD OF THE RINGS - IN CONCERT shows, both for "The Fellowship..." and "The Two Towers", and I can assure you that it did NOT show this alien green push.

Retablo keeps making up arguments that then he tries to pass for facts to support his point of view.

Yeah, that's what I was saying was the EE were shown Theatrically LONG ago before the color timing change was even an issue... I don't know how many times exactly, since you have been to one you would probably know better than me, I just remember hearing about it long ago...

[Cinemaddict]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Yeah, that's what I was saying was the EE were shown Theatrically LONG ago before the color timing change was even an issue...

December 16, 2003 was "Trilogy Tuesday." Fellowship EE and Two Towers EE were screened, finishing just in time for the midnight showing of ROTK.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Ugly Pig

What, this?



That was always there in the TE. This screenshot is from the original DVD.
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I did not know that. I never owned the TE DVDs.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Cinemaddict

December 16, 2003 was "Trilogy Tuesday." Fellowship EE and Two Towers EE were screened, finishing just in time for the midnight showing of ROTK.

NIIIIIICE... I knew it had been a couple minutes but I wasn't sure how long... Thanks!

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

And not so recently.

Don't forget that many of us attended the THE LORD OF THE RINGS - IN CONCERT shows, both for "The Fellowship..." and "The Two Towers", and I can assure you that it did NOT show this alien green push.

Retablo keeps making up arguments that then he tries to pass for facts to support his point of view.

Haha, that's exactly what I'm doing. You got me, smarty! I just googled it and the articles said they were finally being shown in theatres. I'm not a fanboy or LOTR nerd so I have no clue when they screened... I'm just going by the facts I read online. Just like everyone else here who hasn't even seen the discs. So if the info I read was incorrect... hmm, I wonder what else is?

Maybe, like, that these discs have an error?

This is all hilarious to me. People taking elves and dwarves SO seriously.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Cinemaddict

My point stands. It's hard to imagine PJ or Lesnie saying "could you make the white titles a bit gold? Yeah, that'd be great! Oh, but lets keep TTT and RotK white."

(I'm assuming RH is not referring to the gold "THE LORD OF THE RINGS" titles at the beginning, right?)

Mr Harris posted a clearer response HERE to your question and in relation to The Fellowship of The Rings title.

This is not what the film looks like decoded from a normal Blu-ray player and played back on a tuned system. While there may be a bit of density to the Main Title, it is absolutely not green.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by retablo

Haha, IF that's the case, that's hilarious. Gotta love the Internet and its factual sources of information.

You know, if some one tells me it is yellow and another one shows me it is green I obviously believe the one who actually shows some proof - regardless of the supposed 'credibility' of those persons.

The shot with a green title was taken directly from the released BluRay, according to its creator and I have no reason not to believe that statement as the color seen in that image matches perfectly with all other screenshots that have been shown so far.

How would you react if I told you that the sky is purple without showing any hint of proof for that?

(Oh, and concerning the last batch of 'corrected' screenshots, just seeing these beautiful sparkling images makes the green overcast hurt double... )

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by Cinemaddict

I think there must be an error with the BD. I am about as convinced as I could be without viewing the BD for myself.

I saw Fellowship in theaters last week. I think if the snow shots had looked like the BD caps I am seeing here, I would have noticed. Is anyone reporting that the snow looked green in theaters?

I did notice a few differences in color throughout the film. The Aragorn/Boromir conversation in Lothlorien was the most obvious. I think what I saw in theaters last week was rock solid awesome. Then something happened when they rock solid awesome film was transferred to BD.

i have read reports from several that knew of the controversy and even had review copies, and were upset about the teal tint throughout FOTR. when they saw the recent screening, they specifically looked for the green snow (and other instances). they have all said the screening copy was flawless and differed from the BD

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

You know, if some one tells me it is yellow and another one shows me it is green I obviously believe the one who actually shows some proof - regardless of the supposed 'credibility' of those persons.

The shot with a green title was taken directly from the released BluRay, according to its creator and I have no reason not to believe that statement as the color seen in that image matches perfectly with all other screenshots that have been shown so far.

How would you react if I told you that the sky is purple without showing any hint of proof for that?

(Oh, and concerning the last batch of 'corrected' screenshots, just seeing these beautiful sparkling images makes the green overcast hurt double... )

It is SUPPOSEDLY taken from the blu-ray... but why doesn't Robert Harris see it on his calibrated system?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Mr Harris posted a clearer response HERE to your question and in relation to The Fellowship of The Rings title.

No offense to Mr. Harris, but that doesn't make sense.

Assuming the caps weren't manipulated or taken from a wonky source and that is actually how those frames appear there is nothing a BD player or a calibrated display will do to sap out that green, just as it wouldn't take the green tint out of any of the other scenes it's been applied to. The capture process does not add that green bias, it should be an accurate representation of the frame, nor will playing it back through a standalone BD player and watching it on a calibrated display remove it.

For example, that level of tint is consistent with the fade-to-white scene in Rivendell (for a larger, more noticeable example.) If you pause playback (through a BD player and displayed on an HDTV) on that frame it will exhibit that exact same green bias assuming your set is calibrated correctly, there's nothing magical a properly calibrated display and BD player will perform to "decode" it out. You would have to calibrate the display to take into account only this title's specific, unusual color timing to tune it out and return these portions to their previous white/gray appearance.

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

1:24:15.

The dissolve is question goes from a short montage, to white -- a bit of density at the edges, which may be projection -- changing to white with just a hint of a gold/rose tint, then fading up to full density image.

I'm going to depart the thread at this point.

RAH

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

No offense to Mr. Harris, but that doesn't make sense.

Assuming the caps weren't manipulated or taken from a wonky source and that is actually how those frames appear there is nothing a BD player or a calibrated display will do to sap out that green, just as it wouldn't take the green tint out of any of the other scenes where it is obvious. The capture process does not add that green bias, it should be an accurate representation of the frame, nor will playing it back through a standalone BD player remove it.

For example, that level of tint is consistent with the fade-to-white scene (for a larger example.) If you pause playback on that frame it will exhibit that exact same green bias, there's nothing magical a properly calibrated display and BD player will perform to "decode" it out. You would have to calibrate the display to take into account only this title's specific color timing to tune it out.

And there is the big question, what is the source and accuracy for these various captures?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

And there is the big question, what is the source and accuracy for these various captures?

Can't speak to the source or accuracy.

It wouldn't be hard to confirm or disprove though, other people have these discs and will be able to easily grab these specific frames.

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by retablo

Haha, that's exactly what I'm doing. You got me, smarty! I just googled it and the articles said they were finally being shown in theatres. I'm not a fanboy or LOTR nerd so I have no clue when they screened... I'm just going by the facts I read online. Just like everyone else here who hasn't even seen the discs. So if the info I read was incorrect... hmm, I wonder what else is?

Hmm... You?

This is all hilarious to me. People taking elves and dwarves SO seriously.

I am not one of those "fanboy or LOTR nerd" as you smuggly call them, I have not even read the books, and my admiration for the movies is quite mixed with dislike for many elements and creative decisions.

So no, it is not a case of people "taking elves and dwarves SO seriously", as you so mockingly put it, but people CARING about cinema and films integrity and preservation.

Something you have already expressly stated several times in several manners along this thread that you don't, more so where these films are regarded.

So, please, you can keep not caring, but let us those who DO care about such silly, inconsequential things keep on worrying and complaining.

[Velmeran]

I exchanged a PM or two with Mark (MEB) yesterday, asking if he could do some the same photoshop analysis he's done on at least 2 images , as I was hoping to see if we could get more data to try and confirm/deny the 'global overlay' theory, (the FotR title and the one of Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin in the woods), and he said he would gladly do it, if I could direct him to a source.

Here's his actual response (I don't think he'll object to me sharing this, but if he does I"ll remove it)

If you can find the screenshots of both the TE and EE versions of the scenes you want me to put in Photoshop, I'll be happy to do it. But, please do not send me the images or links to just the images. I need to see them in a message by the person that originally ripped them so I can verify they haven't already been played with.

So that said, while I assume Mark has verified the sources of the images he's received --- why are we more willing to accept those sources, than we are the words of a well-respected member of the film industry and professional reviewer?