The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[carloshabermann]

Could someone please let me know which subtitles are available? Would be really thankful

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Try the Hue adjustment I suggested a few posts above for the FOTR EE Bluray, and let us know if it works for you!

Don't forget to note what your Hue setting was before adjusting it for the FOTR EE, so you can go back for other movies.

O.K. I did try this on the FotR menu page. In fact, I ran the hue adjustment from one stop (R) to the other (G),i.e. the entire range of adjustment. I was unable to replicate the look of the TTT or RotK menu pages.

[Inspector Toschi]

Originally Posted by MEB

A cinematographer weighs in on FOTR EE Blu-ray:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3253

Mark

Everyone! A random guy on AVS, who said he's a cinematographer, has weighed in. Case closed!

I guess professional opinions only matter when you agree with them. Funny how naive some people can be...

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Inspector Toschi

Everyone! A random guy on AVS, who said he's a cinematographer, has weighed in. Case closed!

I guess professional opinions only matter when you agree with them. Funny how naive some people can be...

Exactly! Yet an official statement from the studio who released the films is total BS? Really? Hypocrisy at its finest.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

There's been a good deal of posts here of people who can't tell the difference between "there, their, or they're" and we take them semi-seriously!

The main grammar error I see all over the internet that bothers me a little is many people think they have to put an apostrophe before an S at the end of plural words (or word's).

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I don't think that Faramir even really knew the ring was in Frodo's possession.

Exactly. Faramir had no idea Frodo had the ring when the captured him or Gollum.

I think the main thing I don't like about the story is that in ROTK, the main battle is won because of ghosts. Honestly, why didn't Aragorn just say to Theoden "I'm going to try to convince the army of the dead to fight for us. Just give me a little while. If they agree, we can sit this one out"? I know, it was braver of them to fight also, but think of all the lives that wouldn't have been lost if the people of Rohan just stayed out of it.

[goodluckchuck]

Originally Posted by Scooter1836

I agree never adjust your settings

However on my professionally calibrated TV it looks awesome.

Also the internet being the internet...I am not sure how much I would believe that someone in a forum post said they were a cinematographer.

But remember as far as we know the FOTR changes are NOT an error. The WB response says it was as the director intended. The only person that can prove otherwise is PJ coming out with an offical statement stating whether there is an error or it is how he wants it.

People can speculate all they want and derive all their own conclusions. It all boils down to pure speculation until he makes a statement.

It boils down to me not purchasing it like that. I rather get a DNRd, specs and old transfer like many said was the TE than with another color added, even if they said thats how Tolkien wanted it.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Exactly! Yet an official statement from the studio who released the films is total BS. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Um... there's no way to validate the AVS user's claims claims of being a cinematographer, or even a well-experienced cinematographer.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

Um... there's no way to validate the AVS user's claims claims of being a cinematographer, or even a well-experienced cinematographer.

That's what I mean. Yet because it supports what they believe about the print being flawed they offer it up as proof. At the same time, we've had an official statement from the studio on the matter and that has been met with nothing but scrutiny. Makes no sense to me.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Scooter1836

Also the internet being the internet...I am not sure how much I would believe that someone in a forum post said they were a cinematographer.

The guy has been a participant on AVS for 5 years and his prior messages are available there for you to read. His knowledge and experience with cinematography and the movie business come through in many of his posts. Surely you aren't suggesting that he's been "pretending" for 5 years just so he could diss FOTR?


Mark

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Am I the only one who remembers Jackson refusing to make The Hobbit and suing New Line/Warner Bros. because he felt they were lying about the profits to Fellowship of the Ring? They settled the case, and he is now making the Hobbit, and I have to ask...

If they'll lie to him, why do you think they won't lie to you?

Okay, and because of that we should take any random internet review from an unqualified source at face value if we agree with it? So if I find a random reviewer who thinks the green tint is acceptable you will accept that? I doubt that very seriously and that's the whole point. Like it or not, the WB statement carries more weight than "random internet guy".

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by MEB

The guy has been a participant on AVS for 5 years and his prior messages are available there for you to read. His knowledge and experience with cinematography and the movie business come through in many of his posts. Surely you aren't suggesting that he's been "pretending" for 5 years just so he could diss FOTR?


Mark

Now ask yourself, if this same AVS member said the green tint was perfectly in line with the intentions of PJ and therefor not a flaw would you accept that? I'm betting you wouldn't.

[raygendreau]

Could someone tell me if the opening title/menu pages on the BD EEs are the same on the DVD EEs?

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Could someone tell me if the opening title/menu pages on the BD EEs are the same on the DVD EEs?

Not exactly. They're still the book opening... but the page is just the title of the film. Play, Scene Selections, etc. are located on a bar at the bottom. This bar is the Pop-Up menu and if you're familiar with Blu-ray, it pop-ups at the click of a button to make adjustments while you're watching the film.

But yes, they look the same. Except the menu buttons are on the bottom.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

O.K. I did try this on the FotR menu page. In fact, I ran the hue adjustment from one stop (R) to the other (G),i.e. the entire range of adjustment. I was unable to replicate the look of the TTT or RotK menu pages.

This process is not intended for the menu pages. Those who have the original EE DVDs will recall that the FOTR EE Menu was slightly green, the TT EE Menu slightly red, and the ROTK Menu slightly blue.

The procedure I described is for FOTR EE Blu Film alone.



Good try though

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I used the shot of the ring in the snow as my guide. If you get that to nearly white (maybe a slight hint of blue) and you're set for the whole film.

I do want to thank you for the green tint pointer. That was what took my TV fix to perfect. I truly implore any doubter of the teal tint to really try this method. It is a revelation of color and a very solid indicator that there really is a problem with the Blu-ray. Also, as was mentioned earlier, having various colors and not a solid tint does present more detail due to the variance in color contrast.

Seriously, if you have any doubts, give this a try.


EDIT: Plus, the white snow is easier to see than the white Fellowship title.

Cool!

It really does work, right! Please, anyone else "troubled" over the green tint in FOTR EE, try the procedure I described below, and let us know if it resolved the issue! I think you will be pleasently surprised -- as was I

Originally Posted by DarkDune

I figured out a FIX for EVERYONE!!! Try this, and see if the FOTR EE looks "correct" with the added color-timing, and black levels!

On our HDTV, I changed the HUE setting 6 notches to the Green side! Went from a setting at R2, over to G4. Once I did that, everything looked absolutely correct again!

Perhaps in re-authoring the FOTR EE, the default Hue setting was "off" by a few notches.

I am not kidding, try it out, and let us know what you think!

Doing this keeps the proper black levels, and resets title whites back to "white", snow whites back to "white", blue skies back to "blue", Gandalf the Grey back to "grey". It is amazing.

NOTE: Each of you may need to change the Hue by more or less than I have, but on our Sony KDL-40XBR4 it turned out to be 6 notches toward the G side of Hue.

Let us know your results

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Troy73

You do realize the person you're quoting agrees with your stand on this right? Sometimes you guys crack me up. You don't know even who's on your side. Too funny.

I'm on nobody's side but my own, tiger. I don't care about anything said on AVS by anybody, or anything said by the studio.

I want to hear from Jackson.

Until then, no sale.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I'm on nobody's side but my own, tiger. I don't care about anything said on AVS by anybody, or anything said by the studio.

I want to hear from Jackson.

Until then, no sale.

I actually re-read your post after your edit and I see that now. My apologies.

[Enigmatical]

hey guys, quick ?, and im assuming the answer is no based on what i can find online, but the extended editions do not contain an option of theatrical edition also, do they? thanks in advance

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by ksohal112

hey guys, quick ?, and im assuming the answer is no based on what i can find online, but the extended editions do not contain an option of theatrical edition also, do they? thanks in advance

no.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

The only DNR that appears in the three EE transfers appears to be that which was applied by Jackson and Lesnie in post-production while digitally color grading and originally finalizing the films. (Many filmmakers use techniques involving a bit of DNR nowadays; it's quite common and largely inconsequential if employed properly.)

Ken, the reason why grain reduction (DNR) was utilized by the filmmakers of TTT and ROTK was that during the principal photography, due to the realities of filmmaking and location shooting (the cost per minute of production being very expensive), some scenes were shot on Kodak 5279 (without filter) in order to extract the last f-stop from every hour of every day of the shoot. These scenes then needed to be intercut with the principal stock, namely 5293. Well, it turns out that 5279 has a larger grain structure.

So, in order for there to be a more consistent look, without obvious grain disparity between scenes, which some theatrical audiences might have found distracting, it was a creative decision to do some de-graining, esp. to the 5279 footage. The resultant downside was that its implementation caused a slight bit of unsharpness or smearing while watching the film in motion on the BIG screen…..really only noticeable to a handful of professionals like other colorists, telecine operators, etc.

So, in a nutshell, it was performed for the sake of ‘grain matching’. But hey, for other films, that process also works the other way around. What I mean is that for example, in regards to a yet to be released motion picture, namely –

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1586752/


Although, the vast majority of this ^ motion picture was shot Super 16mm, some footage was also 35mm acquired and so grain was added to the latter (35mm footage) for essentially the same reason as the LOTR films, i.e. ‘grain matching’.

b.t.w., the tech specs as listed on imdb for ‘Machine Gun’ are incomplete.