The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Lesson of the day folks, screen shots are not always accurate its better to read reviews and watch for yourself.

Why on earth would you do that?,it's much better to let everyone else who has not seen these blu-ray transfers tell you how green the movies look!

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I watched the Hobbiton scene on the digital copy. People really wanted that blandness in HD?

As I reported several dozen pages back, the Digital Copy features the new color grade and the same green tint as the Blu-ray edition it accompanies. The Digital Copy was clearly created from the same source as the Blu-ray. It features the same color timing, just in SD as opposed to HD.

Sorry, I know that bit of information got lost in the mix. Reports that the Digital Copy presents the DVD's color timing or are produced from the old DVD master are incorrect

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by El_Burro

pretty useless maybe but anyway yeah the italian version of Lord of the rings Extended (bdinfo) seems exact the same of the others:

Ugh. It's soooo dreary.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

As I reported several dozen pages back, the Digital Copy features the new color grade and the same green tint as the Blu-ray edition it accompanies. The Digital Copy was clearly created from the same source as the Blu-ray. It's just in SD as opposed to HD.

Sorry, I know that bit of information got lost in the mix. Reports that the Digital Copy presents the DVD's color timing or are produced from the old DVD master are incorrect

How did I miss that? Thanks again

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Lesson of the day folks, screen shots are not always accurate its better to read reviews and watch for yourself.

I'm certain that Ken's screenshots are accurate.

[Chuck HD]

Glad to see that the TheOneRing.net review makes mention of the tint.

By the way, as regards DNR... I haven't got the TEs, but I can see that it's been pretty conclusively proven that the DNR issues have largely been sorted on the EE, while TTT and ROTK are apparently improved but do also retain a little DNR. Is it noticeable?

[MerrickG]

I will repeat this quote

Originally Posted by merrick97

The truth is all that we ask for Ken.

We appreciate your honesty and opinions of this amazing bluray disc set.

Its a great set, eventhough it would have been a home run if
a) They had kept the original EE packaging but shrunk it down to bluray case size
b) If they had streamlined all of the extra features into a single BD per film. HD special features would have been absolutely awesome, but I doubt most of the special features were filmed in HD.

And ask people what they would like to see on the uber post-Hobbit editions?

I have read that there is still a lot of unused footage out there from the films themselves and I would like to get a chance to see that.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

I'm certain that Ken's screenshots are accurate.

Thats not what I'm saying, Its better to read reviews and Judge for yourself, then to just go by screenshots. I am sure Ken's shots are accurate, but as he said its different in motion then just a looking at a screenshot.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I will repeat this quote

You repeat things every forty minutes?

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by J3553

mine's hanging from my rearview.

Careful dude, someone may see it in a mall parking lot or grocery store and bust your window thinking it's a real gold ring. I'm dead serious, that would suck. Might want to re-think that.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

I'm certain that Ken's screenshots are accurate.

Indeed, the screenshots are accurate. The tint just isn't as noticeable in the fabric of the film as it is in screenshots or side-by-side comparisons where a point of reference is provided that showcases the various differences.

It's also worth noting that no one has produced a properly captured screenshot that looks different from those that have been cropping up for weeks. If all the screenshots to date were inaccurate, someone would be posting accurate shots. No one has.

The debate shouldn't be whether the screenshots are accurate. It's whether you can discern the various color changes and tint as easily when the film is in motion in a proper viewing environment.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

The tint just isn't as noticeable in the fabric of the film as it is in screenshots or side-by-side comparisons where a point of reference is provided that showcases the various differences.

I made this very point after seeing the new master at the theater. Todd was all "I'd notice!" I seriously doubt he would. The problem is that some people can't separate what they're seeing and the screenshots when watching it.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Having watched the first 30 minutes of the Fellowship of the Ring, I see where the arguments and discussions originated from but I just don't get why it even started.

This thing looks stunning. Absolute money, in my eyes. Just gorgeous.

You do see where they originated but you don't get why they started?

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I agree. Hobbiton looks amazing.

As for the following blurb from the High Def Digest review of Fellowship:



It's utter nonsense. A tree blocks some of the sun and not much light is getting through anyway due to Bag End's location.

Oh for the love of all that is good and opposed to Sauron ... was the tree missing in the theatrical version or the EE DVDs?

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Chuck HD

Glad to see that the TheOneRing.net review makes mention of the tint.

By the way, as regards DNR... I haven't got the TEs, but I can see that it's been pretty conclusively proven that the DNR issues have largely been sorted on the EE, while TTT and ROTK are apparently improved but do also retain a little DNR. Is it noticeable?

The only DNR that appears in the three EE transfers appears to be that which was applied by Jackson and Lesnie in post-production while digitally color grading and originally finalizing the films. (Many filmmakers use techniques involving a bit of DNR nowadays; it's quite common and largely inconsequential if employed properly.)

As far as I can tell, it doesn't appear as if any additional DNR has been applied to any of the transfers by the studio. The theatrical and extended versions of TTT and ROTK look very similar, but small improvements verify Jackson's claim that they were remastered as well and that a small amount of DNR was indeed applied to the theatrical cut Blu-ray releases of TTT and ROTK.

Hope that helps clarify!

[42041]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I would have ended up keeping the old dvds if they hadnt included everything in THIS set. Selling the old dvds provided a healthy amount of money for this set.

Not to mention:
Not everybody has the EEs on dvd.

So for people who are getting these for the first time I think its absolutely necessary that they included all previously released special features.

I would consider it a FAR greater slap in the face to new Lord of the Rings customers if they would also have had to buy the old dvd sets to get all of the very worthwhile special features.

I like what some companies have done with several releases, which is offer both a regular set, and a collector's version with more extras/fluff.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

How did I miss that? Thanks again

No problem. If you enjoy the colors on the Blu-ray edition of FOTR, you'll enjoy the colors on its accompanying Digital Copy. If you loathe the colors on the BD, you'll loathe them on the DC. Again, the BD and DC feature the same new color grade and tint. Proceed accordingly

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by HeKS

Oh for the love of all that is good and opposed to Sauron ... was the tree missing in the theatrical version or the EE DVDs?

No. But my argument against that idiotic hyperbole by the reviewer stands. The new coloring reflects reality far more than that bland looking crap from the DVD, which there should be no comparisons anyway. When was the last time you saw a Blu-ray that matched the coloring of the DVD, even before this "teal and orange" stuff came about?

[frogmort]

I just talked to one of my friends, and he will be bringing his set over in about two hours so I can check it out.

He told me "Oh my God, it's absolutely beautiful!". I asked about some specific scenes, and he said " I was talking about the box, I haven't even opened it yet".

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

No problem. If you enjoy the colors on the Blu-ray edition of FOTR, you'll enjoy the colors on its accompanying Digital Copy. If you loathe the colors on the BD, you'll loathe them on the DC. Again, the BD and DC feature the same new color grade and tint. Proceed accordingly

I have been watching all day with a big on my face! Does that answer your question

thanks again I always look forward to your reviews.

[42041]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Lesson of the day folks, screen shots are not always accurate its better to read reviews and watch for yourself.

The screenshots are accurate, it's the inferences made from them that are not.
Unfortunately, most people don't realize just how poor humans are at perceiving absolute color (and how utterly unreliable their senses are in general, something that drives me bats**t talking with audiophiles), and that A/B comparisons of color differences are misleading regarding how it will actually look during normal viewing. This statement applies to both those screaming about how the movie is ruined, and those not seeing any green tint.
Of course, the question of whether it's a defect that should be corrected, and whether it's a major issue in regular viewing are two different things.