The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[petmic10]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

It will also be interesting to hear from people who attend the AMC showing of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' extended edition this evening. I'm curious if its color timing is the same as that which reportedly graces the upcoming EE Blu-ray release.

I'll be attending the AMC showing tonight. I'm curious as well but I
think I'm going to be disappointed.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

I only have like 4 posts in this entire thread... lmao

How many do you think you have???... 50?... 100?

^^^That's me owning you by the way...

Hahaha. He did the exact same thing the first time around with the TE BD's. He just kept posting over and over again about how it was a perfectly fine release, no DNR problems, couldn't get better, everyone else was lying, etc. I enjoy it though, I set my clock to it.


Anyway, has it already been addressed why TtT has some sort of tiny letterboxing going on? Was it a mistake in capping it or is the transfer actually like that?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

Just checked to be sure for ya mredman...

I have 6 posts in this thread.

You have 56...

All 56 being exactly the same by the way.

i just stand by my opinion and PJ

[mredman]

Originally Posted by mixxed_up

Small detail.

Very small detail but then again ROTK TE always had great PQ so why change anything about that one for the EE

[mredman]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Agreed extremely unimpressive. I will wait for the remaster of the latter two films. Neither were near reference quality. The first film is going to greatly overshadow the last two from a detail perspective.

yep you are wrong ROTK always had awesome PQ so why even change anything that already was perfect and got 5 stars reviews here on this site and every where else

[mredman]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

uh, disagree.

The latter two were pretty good the first time and none of those screencaps show any of the "composite" shots which suffered the most in the TE release.

The colors shifts apparently aren't as apparent in the latter two films as they are in the Fellowship comparisons.

Yep ROTK always had impressive PQ on the TE.

[mikej327]

yep you are wrong ROTK always had awesome PQ so why even change anything that already was perfect and got 5 stars reviews here on this site and every where else

It was good, but I believe it only recieved 4 stars for pq.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Anyway, has it already been addressed why TtT has some sort of tiny letterboxing going on? Was it a mistake in capping it or is the transfer actually like that?

I'm pretty sure it was just a capping mistake, as there are some other ones that don't have that. Good luck finding it in this plethora of caps.

[neo78956]

Just watched the ROTK TE blu today, while the most impressive of the TEs, it's still a very inconsistent transfer. So many shitty looking scenes. The ROTK EE caps look a million percent better. Consistent grain, no DNR, and scenes like Pippin looking into the Palantir don't have shitty black crushing and artifacts. So ready to watch the EEs when I get back from Europe. GAHHHH I can't wait!

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

So do you really want to see this in 2012 (I applied the FOTR color levels) >>>

Doesn't look like the right kind of tint. Too much effect on Indiana's jacket and face, and too little effect on the sky (IMO).

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just read this on avs by adrift:

" If what we're seeing with the green tint is a leaked copy and not coming from the official release I can see a number of ways that that could happen. When Wolverine was leaked on the internet a few years ago a lot of the post-production wasn't even finished and the film was missing all kinds of FX. "

I hadn't thought of that. Maybe the reason it's so darkly contrasted and green, is because this was leaked before the final product was finished and approved. Boy I sure hope so!

Originally Posted by mixxed_up

That's possible. The rumours only say peter jackson has agreed to the color changes, not to a green tint.

If it's leaked, its probably not the final release. A few months ago, a alpha version of the game "Crysis 2" was leaked. A lot of effects were missing in this release and it wasn't stable. Something similar could happen to a blu-ray leak of Lotr. So we should wait for the moment, when we all got the box in our hands.

Of course only if the screens came from a leak.

It doesn't seem likely to me that Warner would bother creating a full Blu-ray master (complete with menus, multiple audio tracks including all commentaries, multiple subtitle tracks, easter egg etc.) with a non-final color timing. Plus I would think they would create a final U.S. BD master before starting to work on non-U.S. releases (or sending the final version of the various streams, if they don't master all foreign discs). Though that's just speculation, I'm not familiar with how BD or DVD masters are usually created.

Still, if the BD master had been created by pirates from a leak, it'd be a very serious one! How on Earth could pirates have gotten access to so many audio and subtitle streams, menu artwork, etc.?

Originally Posted by Cobra33

oh wow, it looks like that "green tint" that everyone is talking about is totally gone in the EE bluray. thats great news!

You really need to go back to page 89 or so. The green tint is something new to the EE Blu-ray, not something that was present on previous discs. It can't be gone on the EE Blu-ray, as it's been introduced in it for the first time.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by mredman

yep you are wrong ROTK always had awesome PQ so why even change anything that already was perfect and got 5 stars reviews here on this site and every where else

This very site gave it a 4.25 for PQ. I would hardly call that awesome. Very good but as I have said before far from reference. I haven't read one review where ROTK got a 5/5 for PQ. I have read some reviews rating the PQ as low as 3.5/5 like dvdtalk did. Most gave it 4/5 which seems appropriate.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

This very site gave it a 4.25 for PQ. I would hardly call that awesome.

This very site gave Scream 2, with it's nearly decade-old broadcast quality HD transfer, a solid 4.5 (above ROTK). So, maybe it's best not to exclusively use this site's reviews as evidence of anything.

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I'm pretty sure it was just a capping mistake, as there are some other ones that don't have that. Good luck finding it in this plethora of caps.

Let's go back in time. Unless I missed something, these are the other caps you're referring to:

Originally Posted by mredman

I really think this is not acurate at all. Because here the PQ for TTT is flawless. very strange indeed

TTT
http://pic.phyrefile.com/m/ma/mati/2011/06/08/2-01.png
http://pic.phyrefile.com/m/ma/mati/2011/06/08/2-03.png
http://pic.phyrefile.com/m/ma/mati/2011/06/08/2-02.png
http://pic.phyrefile.com/m/ma/mati/2011/06/08/2-04.png

Originally Posted by frogmort

They are not pillar boxed either.

I already pointed out that said caps are NOT from the Blu-ray (dump or otherwise), but a cropped re-encode:

Originally Posted by Romansh

Yes, they are. They just been cropped (to 1904x798); it's a re-encode:

AFAICT, all caps from the BD dumps are pillarboxed. There doesn't seem to be any capping mistake.

[neo78956]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

This very site gave it a 4.25 for PQ. I would hardly call that awesome. Very good but as I have said before far from reference. I haven't read one review where ROTK got a 5/5 for PQ. I have read some reviews rating the PQ as low as 3.5/5 like dvdtalk did. Most gave it 4/5 which seems appropriate.

Agreed. It looks pretty good, but quite a few scenes plagued with DNR, digital artifacts, and black crushing. Level of detail is also inconsistent. Though when it shines, it looks very good.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

...Just kiddin Penton, thanks for the link, a bit of a good read...

Hey, it’s better than copying and pasting the whole thing and then there were a couple of follow-up pertinent posts on the subject.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

It will also be interesting to hear from people who attend the AMC showing of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' extended edition this evening. I'm curious if its color timing is the same as that which reportedly graces the upcoming EE Blu-ray release.

Yes, that is indeed the key to determining how widespread the jaundice is (if the screenshots are accurate)

But, of course, eventually some apologist will claim any difference to be secondary to the Digital Cinema color space conversion but alas, I know a little bit about that too……..

http://code.google.com/p/opendcp/

A belated tip of the hat for recognizing the excessive sharpening on the Blu-ray of American Graffiti which reviewers of some notoriety (such as on HTF) missed completely or soft-balled in their reviews. When I get more time I’ll do a Sharpening 101 follow-up post on my thread as to why that sort of thing is not acceptable these days....much less “Very Highly Recommended”.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

perfect flamebait for a colorist

I think people, including me, were trying to keep the color simple here (by precedent, it being called “green”) in the pursuit of continuity of discussion , rather than debating the shades of greenish-blue or bluish-green.

If you were really on top of your game, you would know what the burning question in the colorist community is right now….i.e. whether tis better to degrain on top of the stack (pre-color) or further on downstream (after coloring) and why.

And then of course intermingled in the debate….and some of you guys will just love this - have to listen to the proud ramblings of the guy who did the grain reduction on the latest version of Predator….and brag about the result. I kid you not.

Post Prod, to enlighten folks (if you do feature films rather than TV series, commericals or music videos and such), you should tell folks in your experience, for the number of hours you spend on coloring a project, what % of the time is the Director, DP or any representation of the film actually present in the DI suite. I think the info would blow their minds.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Cobra33

oh wow, it looks like that "green tint" that everyone is talking about is totally gone in the EE bluray. thats great news!

oh wait, only on some. seems that the shire scenes have a green tint. man i hope this isnt true!

The green tint in shots 3, 4 and 5 is especially bad.......Green skies, green Gandalf, green fire............UGLY!

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...he_rings_3_bd1

Only one which shows any change at all really is #4.

Why did they only change FOTR as far as color goes??? These shots the color is the same between the TEs and the EEs.......why could they have not done this for FOTR as well?!