The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

As soon as Frogmort changed his avatar it all fell apart. Coincidence?

Maybe.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to start all that. Is this better?

Come on Stinky, you know what to do.

Originally Posted by Velmeran

hell no :P that old avatar was scary! I know it was just waiting to jump through my monitor and beat me with it's cane.

He is also smoking pipe-weed, that should calm him down.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Is this better?

[MEB]

merrick97, Yes I still see some green in the clip but, obviously, it's supposed to be there.

One thing is for sure, all of this discussion has given me more of an appreciation for these movies. I saw each one in the theater when they were released. I subsequently watched each one ONCE when I purchase the theatrical version DVDs. I never opted to invest in the EE DVDs. Then, when a good deal came along on the theatrical Blu-rays ($7.99 each) I invested in those. Since getting the theatrical Blu-rays the only one I've watched in its entirety is FOTR (I've watched assorted parts of the other two).

BTW, that explains why I was a bit confused with regard to the 4th video clip. I did not remember that sequence at all. After consulting with a friend who I consider to be a LOTR expert I found out that that particular clip is a mix of both theatrical and extended edition footage.

At any rate, as I said this discussion and research has given me more appreciation for the movies and, to a surprising degree, for the story behind the movies. The conversation with my friend lasted almost an hour and he even sent me a link to a map of middle earth and walked me through bits of the story and where certain scenes and battles took place. It was really quite enthralling.

So, of course, now I want to see the extended editions more than ever. It's a real pisser that the first movie was given this green tint, be it accidental or intentional. It could have been near perfect.

Mark

[frogmort]

I would just like to say that I was into the books way before the movies came out. I read them many times before the movies, and have read them many times since the movies came out.

I love the movies. I saw every one of them on opening day, and several more times at the theater. I bought each version of the movies on dvd, on the day that they came out, and have watched them many, many times. I very much prefer the EE. I bought the TE BD the first day that it came out, and have watched it many, many times.

I am by no means bragging, I'm just very familiar with the story and the movies, and to me, the EE BD of FotR looks bad. Maybe to someone who has a casual interest in these, they may very well look fine, but to me, oh lawdy no, no, no. This will not do.

[Cook]

How can anyone come in this thread and fuss about altering art when these are extended editions? News flash they are ALTERED forms of the original release. Double standards hilarious. Im curious how some will spin this to fit into their rationale.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by MEB

My computer display (24") is regularly calibrated using a colorimeter and calibration software. If I see green, then green is there.

I know everyone has concentrated on the screen shots, but I think these video clips are important too. The person that posted them claims they are all from the extended edition Blu-ray and he's posted them in 720p. Select the 720p version and watch it fullscreen on your display. That eliminates the possibility that colored or white borders from your browser might influence what you see.

Anyone that doesn't see an unnatural green tint to the fog/mist in this first one has to be color blind:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Aragon vs Uruk-hai Leader (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


Green tint here too, but not quite as egregious as the first one:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Isildur's Death (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


This clip actually looks pretty darn gorgeous. But there is absolutely a green tint to the smoke:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Bilbo's Party [Firework's Scene] (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


Here's a new clip (I've not seen it posted before). This one looks pretty darn gorgeous too. But certain spots in the clip still look too green to me, particularly some background shots of the rocks:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Orcs and Uruk-hai (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


And another new clip. I find this one almost as ugly with excessive green as the first one. Just about everything is too green, including the walls and the orcs. And there's a ridiculously excessive blue-green (cyan) tint to the haze in the background:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Battle at Balin's Tomb (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


I'd have to go back to my theatrical Blu-ray to double-check, but that last one looks a lot darker than I remember it looking. But, admittedly, it should be dark in there.

Again, to properly evaluate them, select 720p and watch the clips FULLSCREEN.

And, yes, I realize that we are not viewing the actual Blu-ray discs here, it's a copy. But the green (and sometimes cyan) tint I'm seeing is consistent with the tint I see in the screenshots taken directly from the Blu-rays.

And, as a reminder.... One fellow over on AVS and HTF used a scientific method to measure the RGB color values in the FOTR EE title. It is tinted green and it was never tinted green on any previous version. People can say all day that the title LOOKS white to them, science has proven that it is tinted green.

Mark

The first clip is the worst........the green just kills the whole atmosphere/scene and looks noticeably "wrong" IMO

The second clip also suffers from the green, but not as bad as the first......it still is having a negative impact though.

The third scene the green is present in smoke, shirts, fire and soap suds......ugly!

Clip four looks good to me.

Clip five the green definitely dulls this scene down to my eyes and is ugly......the walls, orcs and light shining through all look "strange"........what a bummer as this was a go to demo scene (mainly for audio though so not all is lost) for me at one time all the way up to where Gandalf falls.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Cook

How can anyone come in this thread and fuss about altering art when these are extended editions? News flash they are ALTERED forms of the original release. Double standards hilarious. Im curious how some will spin this to fit into their rationale.

Here's my spin: I personally wouldn't mind if Peter Jackson added new material, or color graded some scenes a little differently, but to make only one of the three movies a dull green color all the way through the entire film just looks bad. Did that satisfy your curiosity?

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

The first clip is the worst........the green just kills the whole atmosphere/scene and looks noticeably "wrong" IMO

The second clip also suffers from the green, but not as bad as the first......it still is having a negative impact though.

The third scene the green is present in smoke, shirts, fire and soap suds......ugly!

Clip four looks good to me.

Clip five the green definitely dulls this scene down to my eyes and is ugly......the walls, orcs and light shining through all look "strange"........what a bummer as this was a go to demo scene (mainly for audio though so not all is lost) for me at one time all the way up to where Gandalf falls.

And just before anyone says 'See, it's not all green!', let's remind you again that clip #4 is from TTT, not FOTR. Overall though, this closely matches my impression, too, although I'm not that negative on the fifth one.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

That's nice, but this is the thread for the LotR EE BD's.

Exactly......HT is a hobby.......many people get very invested and passionate about their hobby.........FOTR is a movie many people absolutely love that falls in the HT hobby........when we have been waiting YEARS for this film to hit blu and it comes in looking like it was scrubbed through a green filter, it should not be hard to understand why many people are upset about this, especially when TT and ROTK have been kept intact color wise in general.

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

And just before anyone says 'See, it's not all green!', let's remind you again that clip #4 is from TTT, not FOTR. Overall though, this closely matches my impression, too, although I'm not that negative on the fifth one.

No wonder clip 4 was the only one that did not look off to my eyes.

The fifth one certainly is not as obvious as the first to my eyes, but there is still a negative impact IMO to the things I mentioned.

[Deciazulado]

Don't star, start, continue, or reply to endless arguments specially one to one (It's almost like the SW thread where people love to discuss themselves) If you insist on continuing your posts will be thrown into the endless pit, your replies will damn you and . and all will be destroyed.

Originally Posted by Velmeran

This back and forth personal b******t is getting old and ultimately has nothing to do with the release. We had a few days of relative quietness where some actual discussions took place. Different opinions were expressed and for the most part nobody went after anyone's specific opinion -- it was nice.

Even hobbits need to sleep. Sometimes.

Originally Posted by griezzel

Is there a way to block my being able to read this troublemaker's posts?

There's an ignore list function

[ddd180]

I just got an email that wbshop just shipped it! Might it come early? Can't beat that $68 deal they had...

[Toasterlad]

Originally Posted by Cook

How can anyone come in this thread and fuss about altering art when these are extended editions? News flash they are ALTERED forms of the original release. Double standards hilarious. Im curious how some will spin this to fit into their rationale.

There are few people (if any) in this thread saying that no changes should be made to the movie. If people really felt that way, they most likely wouldn't be interested in the blu-ray at all.

What people are "fussing" about is that they don't think this is a change for the BETTER. And no amount of "it's supposed to look like this" or "that's what Jackson wanted" or "all the leading experts agree it looks great!" is going to make people like what they don't like.

Is this really that hard to understand?

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yes, it seems that way. I only have a 50" plasma, but I hardly ever see the things people nitpick about.. I do see the DNR in discs like Patton, and the soft transfers like Gladiator/Spartacus. But I'm not watching the film to TRY and pick out stuff like EE, like some people. Then again, it shows up more prominent on larger displays than mine.

People LOVE to complain, and love to play armchair critic, especially on the Internet. But it's sad that some people can NEVER be happy with what they've got. You know, FOTR might be a bit green, but at least you have a roof and food to eat and, heck, a TV to watch movies on.

It's hardly sad. Perhaps they care more than some. It can be said that some people are always too content, willing to accept anything as truth. As far as roof, food and a TV, I think if you have to take the argument there, then your point is already lost.

[Todd Smith]

Does the digital copy have the green tint?

[frogmort]

I don't think anyone has mentioned it, but if you look at The Battle of the Pelennor Fields in RotK, during the aftermath when Pippin finds Merry lying next to the dead oliphant, in the theatrical version it is broad daylight, but in the EE it is dusk or early night. That color grading change was on the original dvds, and is probably on the EE BD also.

To me, that is what color grading is all about, and I don't have a problem with it at all. In fact, the first time I saw that change I was quite impressed, and really liked the mood shift it created.

[J.Cornelius]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I would just like to say that I was into the books way before the movies came out. I read them many times before the movies, and have read them many times since the movies came out.

I love the movies. I saw every one of them on opening day, and several more times at the theater. I bought each version of the movies on dvd, on the day that they came out, and have watched them many, many times. I very much prefer the EE. I bought the TE BD the first day that it came out, and have watched it many, many times.

I am by no means bragging, I'm just very familiar with the story and the movies, and to me, the EE BD of FotR looks bad. Maybe to someone who has a casual interest in these, they may very well look fine, but to me, oh lawdy no, no, no. This will not do.

Have you seen the EE BD of FotR? For someone who exclaims not to be "bragging" about their affinity for the trilogy logic would dictate an entire viewing of the motion picture In Motion before determining it "looks bad".

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Does the digital copy have the green tint?

Isn't it a downloadable digital copy? I'd say it's likely it won't be available for download until the official release date. Downloads don't just "leak" like physical discs do.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

Have you seen the EE BD of FotR? For someone who exclaims not to be "bragging" about their affinity for the trilogy logic would dictate an entire viewing of the motion picture In Motion before determining it "looks bad".

I admit that I have not, but I have looked at dozens of screencaps that all look like they have a green tint to them, and several video clips too, and Ken Brown, one of my most trusted resources in researching A/V transfers has stated that it apparently really does look like this. I was really looking forward to getting this, but I'm not wealthy, so I use the information available here and elsewhere on the internet to make an informed judgement on whether or not to buy this and other blu-rays. To me, that is the main reason to peruse this and other sites, so I can determine if I will be satisfied with my purchase before I spend my hard earned dollar.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Cook

How can anyone come in this thread and fuss about altering art when these are extended editions? News flash they are ALTERED forms of the original release. Double standards hilarious. Im curious how some will spin this to fit into their rationale.

Here's the way I look at the whole situation with the internet outcry:

I have no idea what's right or wrong regarding the color issue but am sure as hell glad there are people passionate enough to get to the bottom of it and that are not just accepting whatever canned response is thrown their way. This is how progress happens and no one should be discouraging it. Those people who hold themselves out as experts should be challenged. Constantly (and respectfully, of course). Not to undermine their credibility....just to keep them on their toes.

Also, someone please make me a mod. Those who "complain about the complainers" and try to discourage discussion of the issues will be shot on sight

[mport5150]

Originally Posted by ddd180

I just got an email that wbshop just shipped it! Might it come early? Can't beat that $68 deal they had...

Mine shipped today as well!! $68 with the 5X7 cast photos!