The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[RogerR]

For those obsessive about such things, there's a new BD EE screen grab of the snow march scene over at the AVS forum thread that shows much less green tint and comes in somewhat between the old color timing and overly green screen grab that's been used.

[nightcrawler]

I can't believe people are still arguing in this thread about the green tint. Until there's official word from PJ or WB what's the point? The green tint is there, it's just a matter of how much you actually notice it. This depends on various factors like your eyes (obviously), display settings/calibration, viewing environment (eg darkened room) etc. I have had these discs since yesterday (Friday) and have already posted my thoughts on it. In some scenes the green tint is more noticable, in many you can't see it at all (that's not to say it isn't there). The majority of people who have seen the FOTR discs agree that in motion the film - on the whole - looks great, and the green tint is nowhere near as bad as the screenshots that are littered throughout this thread. Most of the online reviews agree with is. Just accept the fact that the green tint is there - how much you notice it will differ from person to person.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by diman1982

It seems to me that detail on TTT is better on TE than EE:
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...he_rings_2_bd1

When you compare those two shots of Saruman, be sure to watch his teeth when you switch to the theatrical edition. See all those black spots? No thanks, I'll take the EE version.

Mark

[RIKANA]

If anyone doesn't want there DCs for the three films, you can PM me them, if there just the code version. I can't get them on Day one

Thanks,


RI

[Ispoke]

There is also a post from Chris Deering that is well worth reading over at AVS

So I received my review copies from Warner yesterday. I haven't had a chance to go through the full set but I spun up FOTR to see how they looked in regards to this "green" issue. I made sure to look at the majority of the scenes discussed here including the title and the infamous snow scene when the ring is dropped.

I have a calibrated JVC RS40 coupled with a Lumagen Radiance XE. I checked the calibration on the display this morning before I looked at the disc to be sure everything was good, calibration is spot on.

On my disc, there were no issues with green tinting that I could detect. The snow was WHITE, with maybe a slight tinge toward blue, but that may have been more to do with the sky. The opening title looked white as well, though a slightly off white. I've seen the screen caps that most are posting here and I can assure you that on my display this disc looks NOTHING like what is being shown in these screen caps. Shane Buettner is going to be coming by today and I plan on showing him the scenes and the screen caps here to get his opinion as well, but for now I am not seeing ANYTHING like what people are reporting here. My observations are pretty much in line with what Robert shared a few days ago.

Now whether this means there are indeed different discs out there or not, I have no idea. I rarely take anyone's word when it comes to picture quality as the majority of people I know don't have a properly calibrated system and a multitude of other issues wrong with their systems. I always make sure I check them in my own setup, which I know is calibrated spot on.

Closely agrees whith what Robert Harris stated.

[RIKANA]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I am not even a huge nerd-like fan, but even I watched the documentary where Ian McKellen says that since Sauraman is actually an evil wizard, his overlook look is not actually white (akin to Gandalf the White) it is an off-white. I think that pretty much explains it here.

To hear all the banter, you'd think it looked like this!

Thats sooo cool:3

RI

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

And Penton-man, no disrespect but you're the first to pour unbridled scorn on the "screenshot scientists" in your thread. Regarding this issue, you seem to be quietly dripping oil onto the flames; or am I misreading that? Have you seen the discs? Do you know something we don't?

I have not seen the discs and the only *Inside* information I have on the discs is here (see GDMX) –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post4878598

And I really wouldn’t use Bill Hunt, as I see you’ve done, as some sort of reference validation for the Extended Edition Blu-ray of FOTR, given this (see last paragraph in particular) –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post4878509

I don’t know if the screenshots posted on this thread are or are not accurate to the Blu-ray disc, as this thread is difficult to kept up with given its pace and the plethora of screenshots but, the thing that is worrisome to me is that multiple viewers who saw the presentation at the AMC theaters two Tuesday’s back have claimed ‘the snow was white’ as well as some transition scene of which I’m not familiar with…..and this is from fans that went in looking for a blue or green tinting on the scenes in question. I find these first reports troublesome.

Also, what I find troublesome for fans is that in this day and age, I think an organization should be committed to listening to their customers’ concerns on issues like this which have received such widespread attention all over audio/video forums…..and so far, there has been absolute silence. You would think, at the very minimum, someone in authority would have said five words…”We are looking into it”.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

What is nonsense is this insane, virtually tribal over-reaction to the original, inaccurate screenshots that paint a picture of a serious, irrefutable mastering error.

Those screens are not inaccurate,they're 100% accurate (otherwise someone would've posted "good" screens long ago.)

This has been settled about 20 times already.

Originally Posted by duggie walker

This is not that, folks. There's a strong green tint in the Shire scenes, for sure - but that's the way it always was. I remember being pissed off by the unsubtle grading at the time. But when the location changes, the green tint becomes unnoticeable as it should.

Not true, in these scenes Jackson originally removed green to achieve his desired look, mood, and feel of the Shire.

YouTube - ‪Digital Grading ('From Vision to Reality' documentary)‬‏

Skip to 3:45 in.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Mark, have you compared the same scenes in the TE? Are they "pure white" or do they also show not a perfect white?

No, I haven't. And, no, I wouldn't expect them to be pure white. They'll likely have a blue tint. But far less of a tint than we see on the EE screen shot.

But what I'm confident the TE version won't have is a light blue tint that effects EVERYTHING in the scene. Yes, it would probably be found in whites. But it wouldn't be found in flesh tones and other items about the room.

Mark

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

[Show spoiler]

Well then, if you won’t take off dem goofy goggles, then turn the volume on your speakers way up and see if you can hear the ghost, as it's difficult to see due to the preponderance of green -

YouTube - ‪Ghost caught on tape‬‏

[Stinky-Dinkins]

At first I thought I was watching the EE BD and looking at a rocking chair in Bilbo's house.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Even if the green tint is very subtle in most shots, wouldn't you guys rather have this glorious transfer without it? Removing the green tint would give the picture more depth, and increase the detail in the darker shots. Why wouldn't you want that?

I know I would. At the very least, I wish we had an option for the original coloring that we have been enjoying for all these years.

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by chip75

Out of curiosity has anyone checked their digital copies to see the quality of them? Are they in 2 parts for each film or edited into one?

great questions all, and ones i'd like answered before ordering. waiting for full specs of the digital copies. if they have the each film combined into one file instead of broken into two pieces, and the specs are decent, it will make me feel better about shelling out the DOH!

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

Ok, look - I'm not saying it's nonsense that there's a green tint. There's a green tint on just about every film made these days. And no, the titles on FELLOWSHIP are not pure, scientifically measured white. Me, I wish all movies made were still being chemically graded.

What is nonsense is this insane, virtually tribal over-reaction to the original, inaccurate screenshots that paint a picture of a serious, irrefutable mastering error.

This is not that, folks. There's a strong green tint in the Shire scenes, for sure - but that's the way it always was. I remember being pissed off by the unsubtle grading at the time. But when the location changes, the green tint becomes unnoticeable as it should.

I don't care what it's measuring at on the micro-Richter scale of cyan! All that matters is what the film looks like in motion and your home theatre situation. If the eyes "adjust to a white point"or whatever, then fine. These Blu-rays are the best these films have looked by a country mile. I've no axe to grind here, or shares in the company - I'm not even that much of a fan of the films. But I can see that some of you are and you're going to deny yourself a very pleasurable release without having seen it for yourselves.

I don't - I really don't - expect anyone to take my untechnical word for this, except to tell you that I have worked in film, both in the days before digital and after. Unless there are two batches, a lot of people are going to be wondering what the fuss was about come release day.

Yes, the film has a slight leaning towards green, I'd agree with that. But - for better or for worse - that's how Jackson made it. I'm almost certain that 95 percent of you will have no problem with it when/ if you watch it; though admittedly this hysteria will have you noticing the merest hint of green like never before.

I'm not trying to troll, people; and I'm not trying to impugn those who disagree. I'm just saying - most of the people who have seen these blu-rays (including Bill Hunt) see nothing wrong here. I have seen them and I'm in agreement. Trust your own eyes, not the graphs and screengrabs.

I don't really trust screenshots myself, but again Ken Brown himself has said that the green tint is there the whole movie (though different scenes may not be so noticeable), I trust his opinion as you would trust Bill Hunt and Robert Harriss.

Now I'm just trying to find out the truth. I live in Malaysia but I always buy from US or UK as my local releases are usually very low in overall quality. If I can easily have the disc to see it with my own eyes I would do so. It's not easy to return the disc and should there be a disc exchange program I'm sure it will not include international customers. So I need to make sure before I make the purchase, and these conflicting reports aren't really assuring. Guess I still have to wait then.

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by nightcrawler

Just accept the fact that the green tint is there

so...we should just all shut up and fork over our precious cash?

sorry but, to those of us with critical minds (and eyes) the evidence is overwhelming that a MISTAKE was made by someone, somewhere. if you don't understand why we've come to that conclusion then you haven't been paying close attention to the evidence


btw, i've (thankfully) discovered that this forum, as well as the others covering this issue, has an ignore function. i'm making good use of it now, for all of the apologists and those "complaining about the complainers"

[Todd Smith]

VERY interesting info just posted by Kris Deering about the digital copy of the EE blu release.........

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

So out of curiosity I just looked at the digital copy that came with the new EE editions and looked at the screenshot that is being referenced a few posts above this along the mountain. The digital copy looks like the original, with no blue cast.

The obvious question is WHY does the digital copy not have this green tint while the actual blu ray does?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

VERY interesting info just posted by Kris Deering about the digital copy of the EE blu release.........



The obvious question is WHY does the digital copy not have this green tint while the actual blu ray does?

This is the WB equivalent of a cock tease. You can have the proper version, but only on the go.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

This is the WB equivalent of a cock tease. You can have the proper version, but only on the go.

I hear you........its crazy.

Why would they not put the green tint in the digital copy as well IF it is truly intentional? This only supports the error side of the debate even further.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Isn't it likely that the digital copy is simply the old master used for the dvd? Does it have the new color timing, minus slight green tint - or does it just look like the old version?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I know I would. At the very least, I wish we had an option for the original coloring that we have been enjoying for all these years.

The more I keep researching and thinking about this, the more that I have come to believe that this has to be a mistake. I know that Peter Jackson and Andrew Lesnie did do some color grading changes to FotR, but there is a big difference between color grading, and tinting the entire movie a certain color. They are two different things.

Plus, if there was no problem at all, and this is how they intended it to look, I'm pretty sure that they would've come out very early on and said so, to stop all of this negative talk and complaining, which surely isn't going to help their sales numbers.

If people need to keep convincing themselves that it is perfect, to avoid having buyer's remorse, then that's fine with me, but I just can't accept that this is deliberate.

TE DVD
FOTR: No green tint
TTT: No green tint
ROTK: No green tint

EE DVD
FOTR: No green tint
TTT: No green tint
ROTK: No green tint

TE BD
FOTR: No green tint
TTT: No green tint
ROTK: No green tint

EE BD
FOTR: Green tint
TTT: No green tint
ROTK: No green tint

Hmmmm.....