The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by mg428

Are we also 100% sure that Saruman's hair or robe was pure white in that particular scene of that movie? How can we know that without having the film's negative projected in a movie theatre or unless we are Peter Jackson or the cinematographer of the movie? Otherwise comments on a particular tint would be based either on memory dating back when you saw the film in the movie theatre or the supposition that if Saruman's hair is white, it must be pure white.

Am I not right?

It was never pure white. However, that scene was color graded differently originally and the evidence can be found in the EE DVDs and the TE Blu Ray which were also approved by Jackson. I personally prefer the original color timing in this scene and most of the other scenes, but it is a matter taste. In my opinion, there was nothing wrong with the original color timing. When the TE Blu Ray came out, the only thing I heard most fans wanting improved upon in a future release was the clarity of the transfer and no DNR. Why they had to take it a step further and add a uniform green tint throughout the film, I will never know (until an official statement is made).

[Falaskan]

I thought they already made an official statement. If you mean, explain their logic, I'm sure if they were honest, they'd say, "We thought it was a good idea at the time, and didn't imagine anyone would ***** this much."

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by aiman04

That's great news. But it is not nonsense. Our own reviewer Ken Brown has confirmed that the green tint is there the whole movie. You said that the titles are white, would you be so kind and take a screenshot of it? This is important, if it is white as you claim, then we might have two different pressings of the Fellowship discs.

Ok, look - I'm not saying it's nonsense that there's a green tint. There's a green tint on just about every film made these days. And no, the titles on FELLOWSHIP are not pure, scientifically measured white. Me, I wish all movies made were still being chemically graded.

What is nonsense is this insane, virtually tribal over-reaction to the original, inaccurate screenshots that paint a picture of a serious, irrefutable mastering error.

This is not that, folks. There's a strong green tint in the Shire scenes, for sure - but that's the way it always was. I remember being pissed off by the unsubtle grading at the time. But when the location changes, the green tint becomes unnoticeable as it should.

I don't care what it's measuring at on the micro-Richter scale of cyan! All that matters is what the film looks like in motion and your home theatre situation. If the eyes "adjust to a white point"or whatever, then fine. These Blu-rays are the best these films have looked by a country mile. I've no axe to grind here, or shares in the company - I'm not even that much of a fan of the films. But I can see that some of you are and you're going to deny yourself a very pleasurable release without having seen it for yourselves.

I don't - I really don't - expect anyone to take my untechnical word for this, except to tell you that I have worked in film, both in the days before digital and after. Unless there are two batches, a lot of people are going to be wondering what the fuss was about come release day.

Yes, the film has a slight leaning towards green, I'd agree with that. But - for better or for worse - that's how Jackson made it. I'm almost certain that 95 percent of you will have no problem with it when/ if you watch it; though admittedly this hysteria will have you noticing the merest hint of green like never before.

I'm not trying to troll, people; and I'm not trying to impugn those who disagree. I'm just saying - most of the people who have seen these blu-rays (including Bill Hunt) see nothing wrong here. I have seen them and I'm in agreement. Trust your own eyes, not the graphs and screengrabs.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I thought they already made an official statement. If you mean, explain their logic, I'm sure if they were honest, they'd say, "We thought it was a good idea at the time, and didn't imagine anyone would ***** this much."

There has not been an official statement to my knowledge. Only unofficial and unconfirmed reports from reviewer sources.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Without something like a compensatory increase in master gain or gamma to *correct* what in essence is an unbalanced increased gain in the green channel (of which you’re implying).

The answer is yes…..the image would lose perceived detail.

And Penton-man, no disrespect but you're the first to pour unbridled scorn on the "screenshot scientists" in your thread. Regarding this issue, you seem to be quietly dripping oil onto the flames; or am I misreading that? Have you seen the discs? Do you know something we don't?

[winoni71]

Originally Posted by joliefan

hears a trailer from the upcomming EE

YouTube - ‪The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Trilogy Trailer [HD]‬‏

I had goose bumps watching this trailer.
It's been at least 4 years since i last watched these movies, although I read the book in the mean time.
I can't wait for the set to arrive, I don't even give a fu*k about the Green tint anymore.
I have to watched them, my preciousessssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I am not even a huge nerd-like fan, but even I watched the documentary where Ian McKellen says that since Sauraman is actually an evil wizard, his overlook look is not actually white (akin to Gandalf the White) it is an off-white. I think that pretty much explains it here.

To hear all the banter, you'd think it looked like this!

Wow, that I like..........................maybe just a bit to much white for my eyes

[wesslan]

Been following these threads here and over at the other forum with amusement. Was kind of worried after all the comparisons but just watched fellowship. Overall amazing detail, deep nice colors and the sound, wow. Even girlfriend saw a little green tint in a few shots as did I but nothing that looked really bad as some stated. And yes all skies "looked" blue at least here. Many scenes looked kind of darker but I as many others think this was intended and didn't bother me at all. Looking forward to TTT tomorrow

People who's thinking about watching these bad boys without a sub, DON'T! I was probably more concerned for the neighbors than my girlfriend.

[Johnny Dee]

So people who have actually watched the blu rays say it's fine, for the most part, and people who have only stared at screen shots have their knickers in a twist. Hmmmmm.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Johnny Dee

So people who have actually watched the blu rays say it's fine, for the most part, and people who have only stared at screen shots have their knickers in a twist. Hmmmmm.

It's almost like this whole situation is becoming the 8th wonder of the world! Al I can do is until I see the BD in action on my screen.

[vidjunkie]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

It's almost like this whole situation is becoming the 8th wonder of the world! Al I can do is until I see the BD in action on my screen.

I couldn't agree with you more, and all these conspiracy theories on the UK version being different than the US, and being pulled because they caught the "supposed" issue LOL, it is all very humorous now, very little facts anymore, just a whole lot of humor, Tuesday can't get here soon enough, damn I need me some LOTR EE's!

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Johnny Dee

So people who have actually watched the blu rays say it's fine, for the most part, and people who have only stared at screen shots have their knickers in a twist. Hmmmmm.

Exactly the point I made a few pages back and it certainly seems that way. You probably have noted by now its the same half dozen or so posters who will only trust screen shots and nothing else

Welcome to Blu-ray.com

[Roy Batty]

Well, release date it's 4 days away now, and we're still mostly in the dark (no pun intended) about the situation here.

But, even those who have actually watched the discs and think the problem is not as severe as the screen caps suggest, confirm that the image is green tinted and considerably darker than we were used to from previous releases of the same material.

So, much to my chagrin, I am cancelling my order from Borders, even though I managed to get it for just $61.23 including taxes and free shipping, which to me was a pretty good price.

I really loathe the screen caps, the new color timing looks awful to me and, as I have said repeatedly, even unprofessional, with severe problems in the gamma department and a highly contrasty look with hints of black crush. And I believe that even a toned-down version of those problems –as some reviewers are reporting for the actual discs– would be unacceptable to me.

I really, really hope this disaster is addressed and fixed by Warner/New Line in the near future, because if this stays as a "proper" transfer, I am afraid this will be a "before & after" point for BD quality and everything will go downhill from now on.

And for those who like it... well, more power to you.

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

This one would work better, specially for Stinky-Dinkins

i actually do have both light green tinted, purple tinted AND rose tinted (reddish brown) prescription shades (really!).

don't usually wear them for movie viewing, but...

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Johnny Dee

So people who have actually watched the blu rays say it's fine, for the most part, and people who have only stared at screen shots have their knickers in a twist. Hmmmmm.

That's my interpretation, as well.

I watched a couple parts in FotR yesterday, both the TE and EE discs, and I saw no perceivable increase in any green tint. However, I realize it's hard for your eyes to discern a difference like that unless the shots are side-by-side or you have two identical players and can A/B them. To me, I saw no issues, but I'll hold-off final judgement until after I watch the whole movie. Maybe it was hopeful thinking, but I thought I saw an overall improvement in the picture quality of the EE. Who can say? All I know is from what I've seen, the FotR EE is certainly NOT unwatchable, and was actually very good.

[kingkong650]

I haven´t posted here for a few days (been busy regrading fotr ee to remove the constant green tint) but the amount of apologist remarks i´m reading is pretty sad to say the least. If people keep on insisting there´s no problem when there quite clearly is, the chances of a replacement are going to go from pretty slim to nil...

Makes me glad i´ve gone to the trouble of regrading the whole film rather than waiting to see whether Warner fixes this...

[frogmort]

Even if the green tint is very subtle in most shots, wouldn't you guys rather have this glorious transfer without it? Removing the green tint would give the picture more depth, and increase the detail in the darker shots. Why wouldn't you want that?

[duggie walker]

[RIKANA]

If you live in WI, the Greendale exclusive company, has a Cople copys of LOTRs ex cut in early, but no Sucker Punch(case your wondering) BD.

RI

[42041]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Exactly the point I made a few pages back and it certainly seems that way. You probably have noted by now its the same half dozen or so posters who will only trust screen shots and nothing else

Welcome to Blu-ray.com

Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment, and leave subjectivism to audiophile cranks.