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Old 06-27-2011, 12:23 PM   #6021
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the countdown is on

"to green or not to green..that is the question"

one things for sure,we'll have all the info firsthand shortly and probably the biggest fistfight online since red vs blue about how the discs look
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:23 PM   #6022
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Exactly. As good as it may or may not look right now, it would look even better without a green tint applied to the whole film. Hope we get the chance to find out via a replacement.
Well everything points to intentional. So there will not be a replacement program just to please a few who is upset about this new transfer on message boards
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:26 PM   #6023
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Well everything points to intentional. So there will not be a replacement program just to please a few who is upset about this new transfer on message boards
Just about everything points to mistake IMO, so there is still hope for a replacement, but chances of that are probably slim I do agree. I still have hope though......


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Even though this green tint thing isnt the end of the world, Im getting tired of there always having to be "something" with these film sets that get released.

It seems that many(not all) sets end up with one or more of the following issues:

- Not all versions of the films included
- Content being changed
- New color tints added for no reason
- Lots of wasted discs with extras cramed in from previous versions
- Dumb packaging
- Whatever other nonsense they can come up with.

Can we just simply make huge, massive box sets with ALL versions of the films in normal packaging without any tinkering? Puhleeeze? Thanks.

Exactly.........I would not even be on this board right now if they had just included the original color timing as an option assuming this is somehow intentional which obviously I personally dont think it is, but if it is, include the original coloring as an option since this is not a small change!

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:29 PM   #6024
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They might. But the color timing is preceived differently in motion and many complaining have not seen the BD's and most that have say it is fine.
This is true, but those that do say the film looks fine (myself included) tend to have their comments completely dismissed by those that don't yet have the discs
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:30 PM   #6025
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Just about everything points to mistake IMO, so there is still hope for a replacement, but chances of that are probably slim I do agree.
What points to it being a mistake?


IMO everything points to intentional color adjustment by Peter Jackson. The guy over at imdb said it looked like this in the theater as well incl. the 2nd breakfast scene (which i think is the only bad one) but who am i to judge if this is how Peter Jackson want it to look.

Also the trailer on the official site showing the tint. They would not advertise this so highly if there was a mistake. There is noway they would to that.
So yes everything points to intentional

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:32 PM   #6026
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What points to it being a mistake?


IMO everything points to intentional color adjustment by Peter Jackson. The guy over at imdb said it looked like this in the theater as well incl. the 2nd breakfast scene (which i think is the only bad one) but who am i to judge if this is how Peter Jackson want it to look.

Also the trailer on the official site showing the tint. They would not advertise this so highly if there was a mistake. There is noway they would to that.
Have you read Kens posts on the matter? Go back and read them if you have not as he sums up why most signs point to "error" at this point and explains it better than I can, but I am in complete agreement with what he is saying.

Here you go mredman.....................


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Nothing you probably haven't already gathered from my various posts. Jackson's silence is a big sign, and Warner's current "no comment" stance is another. If the tint was intentional, it seems both parties would be racing to make that point clear.

Then there's the domestic price drops and international listing oddities/delays/cancellations that have cropped up in the last few days, the fact that the tinting isn't scene-specific or indicative of a selective application, the fact that Bill Hunt suddenly isn't reporting any more confirmations or comments from Lesnie (in the beginning of all this, Mr. Hunt was the most adamant that Lesnie had approved the transfer exactly as it appears; since then, he's been as quiet as Jackson, all due respect), the fact that Jackson has posted on his Facebook page about other topics but avoided the tint question altogether, the fact that as-yet-irrefuted screenshot comparisons and photoshop color analyses continue to stack up by the hour, the fact that a single pixel of pure white doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the course of the film, the fact that identical shots in FOTR and TTT display subtle and not-so-subtle differences in the specific hues that appear, the fact that white title letters and fade-to-whites exhibit a slight green tint (the same tint that graces every frame of the film), the fact that no screenshots have been posted which exhibit any measure of pure white in the image (I can find pure white in TTT and ROTK in seconds), the fact that similar tints haven't been applied to TTT and ROTK (even though Jackson's theatrical introductions confirm they were remastered), and the fact that many of the specific color palettes Jackson mentions in his commentaries and documentaries have been altered. If it's intentional, he didn't just adjust the hues of a scene or two, he adjusted the hue of the entire film. And those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure I left out quite a few.

I honestly started this whole process leaning toward the notion that the tint must be intentional. But it seems every day there have been new pieces of mounting evidence that point to an error. Not one piece of evidence has emerged in the last few weeks -- well, other than subjective opinions -- that suggest the tint is intentional. Not one. In fact, every time I've written "not one," no one has corrected me. (That's a genuine invitation to offer up objective evidence of the tint being intentional or non-existent on some pressing of the disc, not some defiant challenge of a someone refusing to consider all angles. I'd be happy to have something to mull over other than another sign that points toward a problem.)

Anywho, hope that helps clarify. The evidence is overwhelming, in my humble opinion. Considering everything that has come to light in the last few weeks, it's hard to deny the evidence is very, very one-sided. The only objective evidence that hints at the possibility that the tint may be intentional is a months-old statement from Jackson and Lesnie indicating intentional color-grading changes would grace the new transfer. Seriously gents, that's the only objective evidence that counters the suggestion that it's an error. A vague months-old statement.

Of course, all it would take to obliterate even the most overwhelming evidence is one simple sentence from Peter Jackson. A current clarification, a new statement, a "rest easy, my babies. It's all as I intended." Which brings us back to the beginning: Jackson's silence is the biggest sign.

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:36 PM   #6027
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ok guys, the same arguments for the same members gets tedious and does not give others a chance to contribute...maybe someone that has actually purchased the set and has seen it? There's a lot of good information from reliable sources, but nothing beats a first hand experience...watching it for yourself. Should be interesting tomorrow .
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:37 PM   #6028
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What points to it being a mistake?


IMO everything points to intentional color adjustment by Peter Jackson. The guy over at imdb said it looked like this in the theater as well incl. the 2nd breakfast scene (which i think is the only bad one) but who am i to judge if this is how Peter Jackson want it to look.

Also the trailer on the official site showing the tint. They would not advertise this so highly if there was a mistake. There is noway they would to that.
So yes everything points to intentional
There's no reason for the title to be tinted and for all the work put into subtle regrading to be thrown out the window for a blanket tint application.

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ok guys, the same arguments for the same members gets tedious and does not give others a chance to contribute...maybe someone that has actually purchased the set and has seen it? There's a lot of good information from reliable sources, but nothing beats a first hand experience...watching it for yourself. Should be interesting tomorrow .
100% about tomorrow. I wasn't going to buy but now I feel like I have to in order to have my opinion mean anything on this forum!

It will also be REALLY interesting if some people have the rumored "fixed" copies and there ARE actually two versions out there...

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:39 PM   #6029
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Some quotes from an avsforum member who picked up the set >>>

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That being said, the cyan tint is noticeable, especially in certain scenes it shouldn't be, especially their trek through Caradhras etc. I will say that the tint works in some scenes, but it does detract from many giving it a "Matrix" type look.
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I'd say the tint works for about 35% of the scenes in the movie, and doesn't work for about 65% of the scenes. The fact it is present through the title up into the closing credits makes me wonder if it was indeed an error.
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While these are easily the best transfers available, I cannot help but wonder just how much better Fellowship could have looked without the tint applied.
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:42 PM   #6030
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Some quotes from an avsforum member who picked up the set >>>
I assume this is how a lot of opinions will go on this set if everyone is honest. Looks great, but how much better would it have looked without the tint? Also, 65% of the movie the tint does not work??? This sounds "intentional" to some?

Petri has some interesting new comments over on AVS as well after messing around with the tint......

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:47 PM   #6031
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Um, have you not been paying attention at all? I'm not gonna weigh in on the question of this being intentional or not, but the reason why only the first film is affected is that it was the only one that was reworked with new digital grading. That much is a fact, there's no debate on that issue.
I have been paying attention. Correcting some of the color palette... sure. Layering a general green tint over everything? BS. If they meant the green tint to be there, there would have been no problem pressing the "greenify" button and adding it to the other two films as well. It's not like the sky and snow in Middle Earth suddenly changed from green to white between "Fellowship" and "Tower".... THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:48 PM   #6032
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Well...I know one thing for sure >>>
I will NEVER get used to massive loss of shadow detail because of
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YouTube - ‪Lord of the Rings Blu-Ray EE Sample‬‏
The blu ray does NOT look like that! It may well look darker than the theatrical version, but nothing as extreme as that YouTube clip.

Edit: just checked the comments for that clip, and the guy who posted it admitted that the blu ray is not as dark as the clip.

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:49 PM   #6033
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Even though I'm sure what you're saying is a gross oversimplification (and I haven't seen the actual discs BTW), that someone has just cranked a green knob all the way up to 11...why does it have to be a mistake? It's more likely to be an intentional *effect*...just like Friedkin did with the French Connection coloring.
Yeah, and THAT blew, too.
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:51 PM   #6034
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At some point, do we get to believe 2+2=5?
Only if Peter Jackson says so.
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:55 PM   #6035
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the eye sees white after a short time anyway! So I think we would all see white anyway!!
Does this sound to you like "the eye sees white after a short time anyway" ?
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:10 PM   #6036
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Does this sound to you like "the eye sees white after a short time anyway" ?
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Just canceled mine. This is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and I refuse to spend my hard earned money on a product that is half-assed. Jackson probably realized after the fact that they f'd up, but decided to say it was intentional, so they didn't have to incur the cost of a replacement program.

I just hope Peter Jackson is not becoming like George Lucas in regards to the level of respect for his fan-base.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:20 PM   #6037
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So from what I can tell only Best Buy in LA is doing a MIDNIGHT OPEN for the release of the box set? Seems odd especially when many Best Buys did a Midnight Open for Alice in Wonderland. Anyone else heard any different?
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:26 PM   #6038
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Another avsforum member who picked up the set wrote:

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i just got the package. and i can say without a doubt the green tint is horrible.

detail level is incredible. looks much better then last year theatrical releases. but the offcolor is terrible. it s not like a little bit. it is as horrible as the pictures provided here.

i sampled a bit at thebeginning when Gandalf arives at the town and the sky looks green/cyan. not lightblue as it should be. seriously major screwup.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:35 PM   #6039
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Green is my favorite color, so i'm all good.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:44 PM   #6040
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I love how the word 'horrible' gets thrown around in this hobby.
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