The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[lobo81865]

Originally Posted by danielle ni dhighe

i'm still getting this on tuesday. If the color change is a mistake and there's eventually a replacement program, fine. If the color change isn't a mistake, i can still enjoy the upgrade in pq over the theatrical fotr blu-ray and learn to live with the coloring (nothing i've seen so far looks terrible, just different).

+1

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Okay, I've been kind of at the halfway point during this whole controversy - recognizing that there may be something that went wrong with the color during this remaster of FotR, but not being terribly bothered by the look either. But it's now obvious to me that something funky did happen here. Take a look at this youtube clip from the new BD - pay attention to the very beginning of the last shot. There seems to be a spot of deeper shade of green on the right side of the frame that makes part of the grass seem darker than the rest and gradually moves away from the grass as the camera pans up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EZYD_FzdvY

Any body else see that?

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by 42041

I got what Friedkin was trying to do, regardless of whether it should've been done or not. I don't really see what effect is achieved adding a color cast throughout the film. People's eyes will just dial it out after a few minutes anyway, unless they have superhuman perception of absolute color. Which may suggest the question of why I even care, but I'm far from convinced that it'd look just as good without it, even if you aren't consciously registering the tint. I'm guessing most listeners wouldn't know whether an audio track is Dolby Digital or lossless without reference either, but the difference is there.

Lossless is quantifiably superior to DD, so that's not really a valid comparison. Opinions seem to be pretty divided about whether the tint is acceptable or not...in the end, in the absence of anything else, I'll trust PJ and RAH that the final result is intended to be as it is, and looks good as it is.

Look, who knows? They may do an exchange program, get rid of the green tint, and it may turn out to be worse without it.

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by Andrewtst

Cool! can you post the photos of it actual boxset, + that pewter figurines.

Post everything if possible Awaiting on you

these pics are from my iPhone so they're not the best.

here's an album with the figurines. i'm off to grab some pics of the box and i'll put those in this album as well.

http://thelarkitect.imgur.com/lotr_best_buy_box_set

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Okay, I've been kind of at the halfway point during this whole controversy - recognizing that there may be something that went wrong with the color during this remaster of FotR, but not being terribly bothered by the look either. But it's now obvious to me that something funky did happen here. Take a look at this youtube clip from the new BD - pay attention to the very beginning of the last shot. There seems to be a spot of deeper shade of green on the right side of the frame that makes part of the grass seem darker than the rest and gradually moves away from the grass as the camera pans up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EZYD_FzdvY

Any body else see that?

That is no mistake that is the top of the high grass you see

[MaxPower111]

Originally Posted by mredman

That is no mistake that is the top of the high grass you see

The real indictment here is, that is bluegrass...

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Okay, I've been kind of at the halfway point during this whole controversy - recognizing that there may be something that went wrong with the color during this remaster of FotR, but not being terribly bothered by the look either. But it's now obvious to me that something funky did happen here. Take a look at this youtube clip from the new BD - pay attention to the very beginning of the last shot. There seems to be a spot of deeper shade of green on the right side of the frame that makes part of the grass seem darker than the rest and gradually moves away from the grass as the camera pans up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EZYD_FzdvY

Any body else see that?

isn't that just the shadow? who knows?

[Andrewtst]

Originally Posted by Larkitect

these pics are from my iPhone so they're not the best.

here's an album with the figurines. i'm off to grab some pics of the box and i'll put those in this album as well.

http://thelarkitect.imgur.com/lotr_best_buy_box_set

hi, can you shot together with the box itself, I want to see how the box looks like.

I mean shot something like below:



as I want to know how the box hold those things.

[ScarredLungs]

I have not read all of this thread, nor have I read too much on the tint/color debate. From glancing over the past few pages, I do have a question: Is this green color/tint issue on all three movies or just on FOTR? I really only see FOTR mentioned, and I am not seeing the other movies mentioned.

Thanks in advance.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Larkitect

isn't that just the shadow? who knows?

Well, I don't see any such shade in the same shot from the theatrical version. Still, if it's a one-time thing, it's not going to ruin the movie for me - but it still looks odd to me. Maybe this thread is finally driving me over the edge.

[Jayrcee]

Originally Posted by cvm

I have not read all of this thread, nor have I read too much on the tint/color debate. From glancing over the past few pages, I do have a question: Is this green color/tint issue on all three movies or just on FOTR? I really only see FOTR mentioned, and I am not seeing the other movies mentioned.

Thanks in advance.

Just FOTR.

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by Jayrcee

Just FOTR.

Thank you. I have already pre-ordered it and am looking forward to watching all three of them. After I watch them, I will be able to contribute an informed opinion.

[Maggot]

Intentional or not, we are to believe the following:

1. Snow is green
2. Grey is green
3. White is green
4. Sky is green
5. The world of middle earth is dull and devoid of warmth, brilliance and luminousity.

Do not attempt to adjust the picture, we are controlling transmission.......

On a side note, from what I've seen, the new dark, color timing pretty much destroys shadow detail. Way to go!

At some point, do we get to believe 2+2=5?

[Sean72]

Originally Posted by lemonski

Lossless is quantifiably superior to DD, so that's not really a valid comparison. Opinions seem to be pretty divided about whether the tint is acceptable or not...in the end, in the absence of anything else, I'll trust PJ and RAH that the final result is intended to be as it is, and looks good as it is.

Look, who knows? They may do an exchange program, get rid of the green tint, and it may turn out to be worse without it.

The difference in this case is indeed quantifiable, it's been measured and proven many times by many different people. Just because some people's eyes can't detect the green tint or their eyes adjust and tune it out, it doesn't mean it's not there and that it's not having a detrimental effect on the image.

I'm scratching my head why people would believe this is all some made up hoax by a rogue band of internet posters? It's there (the green) and it's been proven. Intentional green tint for the whole movie.. on just one of the three films? 99.9% no chance.

[EVOLVIST]

Originally Posted by EVOLVIST

If you want to make a real argument as to why PJ didn’t mess with the color times for FoTR, then point back to why they didn’t make the color changes as they were putting the DVD extended editions together. That would have been a perfect time to do it, wouldn’t it?

Originally Posted by greg_achen

You could also ask the question why he didn't make the color changes we are seeing now for the TE Blu Rays. That too would have been the perfect opportunity to do so. Apparently he authorized and approved color grading changes for the TE Blu Ray as well, but nothing like the slight green tint we are seeing throughout the picture now. I am just a little confused since the TE versions are his preferred versions and you would have thought he would have made sure his preferred versions matched the coloring of how he now wants them to look.

That's a very good point. A very good point. Which leads to more unanswered questions that might have deeper implications. Implications that might feed on the paranoia that has permeated this thread.

I don’t want to add to that paranoia (if you want to call it that. It might be – as in my case – a slight wariness as a consumer who adores the films); nevertheless, why do it now if he had two previous opportunities?

That is a valid question. I believe Mr. Brown’s review had stated that it might be because PJ wants FoTR to match up to what’s going on in the prequels – but damn, while possible, it doesn’t seem very plausible. (Or, maybe it wasn’t Brown’s review. I don’t know anymore.)

Or, perhaps PJ just didn’t have the funding and/or the time to do it until now. After all, I don’t know the ins and outs of the legal battles that had embroiled these films; though I do know they were there. I should have followed them more closely, but alas I did not.

I think that might forever be a mystery, unless Jackson comes out and says something otherwise.

Nonetheless, I’ll buy them on Tuesday. I’ll watch them and hope for the best. I’m such a dope.

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by Maggot

Intentional or not, we are to believe the following:

1. Snow is green
2. Grey is green
3. White is green
4. Sky is green
5. The world of middle earth is dull and devoid of warmth, brilliance and luminousity.

Do not attempt to adjust the picture, we are controlling transmission.......

On a side note, from what I've seen, the new dark, color timing pretty much destroys shadow detail. Way to go!

We've also heard from people who own the disc and professional reviewers that the tint is faint and more of a teal or cyan. so:
1. Snow is bluer
2. Greys are cooler
3. Whites are off-white
4. Sky is still blue
5. The world of middle earth is no longer over-saturated and looks more in line with the cooler palette found in the other two films

And while shadow detail has been lost, detail from the TE that was lost in the bright, over-saturated scenery has been returned(I base this from a comparison between the TE Blu-rays which I own, and screenshots/Youtube clips). Not to mention all the detail that has been added back thanks to the new remaster.

Can we stop acting like the film IS green? First, it's not green, it's better classified as cyan or teal. And second, it's an alteration that doesn't simply remove color from a scene like a green filter over a film, it simply boosts the amount of teal/cyan in an image(possibly done to compensate for the magenta boost in the original timing).

[EVOLVIST]

...but i'm not the only one.

[EVOLVIST]

Originally Posted by Maggot

At some point, do we get to believe 2+2=5?

Is that you Thom Yorke?

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Well, I don't see any such shade in the same shot from the theatrical version. Still, if it's a one-time thing, it's not going to ruin the movie for me - but it still looks odd to me. Maybe this thread is finally driving me over the edge.

ok. i think i see what you're talking about now.

dang it. now i gotta put in the FotR again. i had planned on watching all three this weekend but i can't get around to it because ever other post in this thread makes me want to put FotR back in to "check" something new.

Originally Posted by Maggot

At some point, do we get to believe 2+2=5?

well that depends. are we dealing with sufficiently large values of 2?

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by Sean72

I'm scratching my head why people would believe this is all some made up hoax by a rogue band of internet posters? It's there (the green) and it's been proven. Intentional green tint for the whole movie.. on just one of the three films? 99.9% no chance.

Nobody is denying the fact that there is a change in color correction.

And an intentional green tint added to just the first one of three films has been done exactly before:
The Matrix was revised for the DVD and Blu-ray releases so that the color timing would match up with its two sequels.

It's a pretty good chance that Peter Jackson intentionally changed the colors for this film because he wished that the films would look more like the other two. I just watched the theatrical edition Blu-rays four days ago, and the first film looks "warmer" than the other two. While Saruman carries this yellow-greenish tint(he wasn't to appear white, but off-white) in TTT, he looks a bit pink in FOTR. Not so "pink" that it disturbs me, but the same could be said about how "green" Saruman is.