The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[42041]

Originally Posted by Steel Panther

So how dreadful is that Green hue? My gf wants the movies but people are tripping on it, and others say it's not even noticeable...

Some people who have seen it are not happy, but the overall consensus (including mine) is that it's not a big problem when actually viewing the film.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by 42041

Well just keep in mind that the TE almost certainly does not represent the "original" DI that Lesnie is talking about. The TE image has very visible telecine wobble even though the whole movie was done with pin-registered scanners, as well as the general vagueness of detail.

Granted, but why then would they digitally grade the 30% of the film not completed if it would never see the light of day on home video? I am assuming the EE dvd came out before the 100% grading of FOTR was completed. You just stated that the TE bluray has telecine wobble so that is the master where 70% of the color grading was done and with the EE bluray the the entire film has been color graded differently. Maybe at least somehwere in HD broadcast people got to see the 100% graded portion of the film. Essentially it seems like they graded the 30% for nothing.

[Falcon Eddie]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Statements like this are why this argument is going in circles. "I'm right, you are not just wrong but you're a liar, and a stupid one at that, and I am absolutely unwilling to change my opinion". Well, you can understand why that sort of attitude won't bring ANY sort of closure to this debate whatsoever, I hope. Otherwise there's no sense talking to you at all.

The green tint is there for everyone until proven otherwise. Right now there isn't a single screen proving the lack of green tint and innumerable sources proving the presence of it. How would that look to a court of law?

Can you READ? What did I just write? It is what it is and you can't change that.

[viezure]

I watched fellowship today and it looks, feels and sounds amazing! Really, people complaining about the transfer haven't seen the whole movie.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by viezure

I watched fellowship today and it looks, feels and sounds amazing! Really, people complaining about the transfer haven't seen the whole movie.

+1. I did the same: part 1 yesterday and part 2 today. My Sharp HDTV is calibrated and the green tint is much less pronounced than some here with improperly calibrated displays have led the rest to believe. That guy that has the Mac Mini and the JVC display that posted screen caps earlier has some goofed up displays, that's for sure. It looks like the guy was watching the film with green sunglasses on.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by viezure

I watched fellowship today and it looks, feels and sounds amazing! Really, people complaining about the transfer haven't seen the whole movie.

Most who are complaining at this point have seen the new transfer including me.

[gridbug]

What's also telling about this is that the price for the set is STILL at 69.99 on Amazon and Best Buy etc instead of going up to the marked retail price that it's supposed to be. Usually (and correct me if I'm wrong) the sale price is for the first few days, then it's adjusted to the "actual" price. This could be because there are still buyers on the fence about purchasing this set, or it could be indicative of WB knowing they botched the release.

:/

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

+1. I did the same: part 1 yesterday and part 2 today. My Sharp HDTV is calibrated and the green tint is much less pronounced than some here with improperly calibrated displays have led the rest to believe. That guy that has the Mac Mini and the JVC display that posted screen caps earlier has some goofed up displays, that's for sure. It looks like the guy was watching the film with green sunglasses on.

You never answered my question......is your display calibrated or has it simply had basic adjustments with a test disc? BIG difference between the two. Like Ken said, the green tint is there when calibrated even if you are not seeing it. If you have simply made basic adj with DVE and do not have a real calibration, it could work for or against you as far as the green tint.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie

Can you READ? What did I just write? It is what it is and you can't change that.

We absolutely can, history has shown us that voicing our displeasure CAN yield results. What do you have to gain from continually beating it down? Why take personal offense to an argument like this. Are you Peter Jackson? The employee at the mastering lab that flipped the green switch?

If you're neither of these things, what do you have to gain from telling us we're hooped and can't do anything about it?

You have your "end result" - your green FOTR. Nothing can take that away from you. Please tell me in no uncertain terms, what you GAIN from continually telling us we're wrong, sucks to be us, PJ loves the green tint, nothing we can do will ever change it, etc.?

At least the people trying to get it changed have a goal in mind. Your only goal is to lash out at people who do perceive the changes, which are UNDOUBTEDLY present, as a negative thing, because you're, what... defensive about your eyes? Does not compute.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

You never answered my question......is your display calibrated or has it simply had basic adjustments with a test disc? BIG difference between the two.

There's nothing basic about it. All three of my HD displays were calibrated using DVE and I have 20/20 vision.

Yeah, I just took my avatar straight off my BD copy.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Steel Panther

So how dreadful is that Green hue? My gf wants the movies but people are tripping on it, and others say it's not even noticeable...

Honestly, it's NOT dreadful. If you love the movies, get the set. It's still the best FOTR has EVER looked, the green, while ever-present, is NOT noticeable a lot of the movie, and even when it is it rarely truly detracts from the quality of the image.

That said, many of us pushing for a "fix" just want consistency with the other movies, and that the negative aspects of the transfer present, are addressed.

At best, you'll buy the set and at some point mail away your FOTR EE discs for a replacement program... at worst, you'll have the green version, but so will everyone else.

If you're on the fence, I fully recommend buying it, and this is coming from someone pushing really hard for a disc exchange. Unless you feel that buying the green rewards them for screwing up, but that's all about your own personal politics. Personally I'm not THAT much of a "stick it to the man" type.

[Falcon Eddie]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

We absolutely can, history has shown us that voicing our displeasure CAN yield results. What do you have to gain from continually beating it down? Why take personal offense to an argument like this. Are you Peter Jackson? The employee at the mastering lab that flipped the green switch?

If you're neither of these things, what do you have to gain from telling us we're hooped and can't do anything about it?

You have your "end result" - your green FOTR. Nothing can take that away from you. Please tell me in no uncertain terms, what you GAIN from continually telling us we're wrong, sucks to be us, PJ loves the green tint, nothing we can do will ever change it, etc.?

At least the people trying to get it changed have a goal in mind. Your only goal is to lash out at people who do perceive the changes, which are UNDOUBTEDLY present, as a negative thing, because you're, what... defensive about your eyes? Does not compute.

You are another agitator looking for trouble. Go away and take your problems elsewhere because there are none here on my end to be found. Especially those you speak of. If you have a problem with whatever, have that looked into by someone else, but leave me alone as I asked for none of your haranguing about a non issue on my setup. Do you get that now?

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

You do, indeed! Nobody is stopping you from enjoying the green disc if you don't let anyone's opinion here sway you... but you have nothing to gain from raining on our parade. You have a version of FOTR that you are happy with. Praise be.

I think I've read enough of your posts where I need to address this now. U keep repeating that u can see both sides of the argument, but everytime someone says they like the fotr EE blu-ray, u reply back to that member in a patronizing manor, by saying such thing's as "you enjoy your green disk" or "It's good that u like your green-ray version of the fotr". That hardly sounds like a person who is 50/50 split down the middle too me, but rather more like u are biased to 1 side of the argument over the other.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie

I will say this one last time......I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Next I'll have to prove to you something else. It is a waste of my time. I also do not lie. When my print shows white, it is ALL white. When my print shows blue, it is ALL blue. There is no green tint permeating the whole frame of every sequence, act, and entire film either. My print of Fellowship of the Ring does not exhibit the green tint you desire everybody to believe. Now, I do not have a way to prove YOUR accusations that I am now a liar too. I also have no need to prove myself to you or anyone else. I posted my comments truthfully and to let everyone know there are setups that are not exhibiting the green tint you would like everybody to believe exists across the board on every person's setup. As I said before this is a load of bollocks and I know that it is now. If you and other people have a problem somewhere with your setups or prints I don't know what to say, but I don't have those problems. Again, I said my print of this film does not have ANY HINT of a green tint and that is not an exaggeration but pure fact. Now if someone in my area wants to come and see for themselves that is fine with me. That way I can rub this whole issue in your face. Besides posting photos is being a waste of time for me, all you have to say is I did something with Photoshop to correct the image before posting it. I am not stupid and I'm not some young punk kid that does not know what I'm talking about. I also do not need you haranguing me about a non issue on my end that does not appear ANYWHERE on my setup. Some of those screenshots are ludicrous and anybody who buys into that, well......of course there could be a lot of things going on there and I do not feel the need to sort your problems out. As far as me posting a complaint to Warner, well...that will happen when H**L freezes over because there is nothing wrong on my setup that warrants that criticism.

To the poster that asked about if "anyone received their box set from Barnes and Noble yet and what condition it was in" is I received mine on Friday and it came in pristine condition. Now I probably will have to prove that too because........

Exactly!. There is no way to resolve a subjective/objective argument short of sitting in front of the same display at the same time. You may still not achieve agreement, but you will eliminate all equipment and media variables. At the end of that exercise, in about 80% of the cases you will probably have to attribute the difference in opinion to eyesight and different mindsets based on preconditioning caused by what you have viewed and read in the past.

(Dang it! Where is that being serious emoticon?)

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie

You are another agitator looking for trouble. Go away and take your problems elsewhere because there are none here on my end to be found. Especially those you speak of. If you have a problem with whatever, have that looked into by someone else, but leave me alone as I asked for none of your haranguing about a non issue on my setup. Do you get that now?

I am not an agitator. I am explaining my side of the argument like an adult. You're arguing your side of the argument like a child.

Please take your own advice and leave US alone, since you have absolutely nothing else to contribute to this, being the owner of a copy of FOTR EE without any green tint.

In fact, since you have a version of FOTR EE without any green tint, you should probably make a new thread for those of you who received this version. You have nothing to add to this whatsoever. Let those of us who DID receive the copy with green tint continue discussing possible agents of change without resorting to petty insults.

Thanks Eddie!

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by gridbug

What's also telling about this is that the price for the set is STILL at 69.99 on Amazon and Best Buy etc instead of going up to the marked retail price that it's supposed to be. Usually (and correct me if I'm wrong) the sale price is for the first few days, then it's adjusted to the "actual" price. This could be because there are still buyers on the fence about purchasing this set, or it could be indicative of WB knowing they botched the release.

:/

Ads from BB are released on sunday and run to the following saturday and Lord of the Rings was advertised at $69.99 last week which means that price was going to run a whole week. There have been special occasions but that is how it works almost every time. Its likely that Best Buy decided to extend that price over the holiday weekend and amazon typically keeps par with the lowest price online.

In short, BB and amazon's price do not in any way serve as an indicator that there is a screw up. I can promise you that.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I think I've read enough of your posts where I need to address this now. U keep repeating that u can see both sides of the argument, but everytime someone says they like the fotr EE blu-ray, u reply back to that member in a patronizing manor, by saying such thing's as "you enjoy your green disk" or "It's good that u like your green-ray version of the fotr". That hardly sounds like a person who is 50/50 split down the middle too me, but rather more like u are biased more so to 1 side of the argument than the other.

I didn't say I was a 50/50 split down the middle, otherwise why would I even bother trying to do anything about it? I'm not a moderator on CNN, I don't have any obligation to be 100% unbiased.

I do see both sides of the argument, I just don't agree with the extreme edges of the argument who flat-out deny the green tint is there, even though it's been proven countless times to exist. That simply isn't logical, regardless of any other factors. If we can prove the tint exists, yet nobody can submit any proof to the contrary, what am I left to work with?

One side of the argument: The green tint is objectionable and needs to be replaced.

Other side of the argument: The green tint isn't bad, it's the new color timing, doesn't affect my enjoyment.

I fully understand both of those arguments. I don't understand the "green tint doesn't even exist" arguments at all because frankly they have nothing to back them up whatsoever.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

There's nothing basic about it. All three of my HD displays were calibrated using DVE and I have 20/20 vision.

Yeah, I just took my avatar straight off my BD copy.

That is not calibrated as I mentioned. You have simply made basic adjustments which I have done as well, but this is a far cry from a full professional calibration. Your display could be off in a way that is making the green tint less obvious just like Ken mentioned and was even fiddling with as he made his post. Either way it would be best to quit touting your display as "calibrated" because that is not the case if all you have done is basic DVE adjustments.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I didn't say I was a 50/50 split down the middle, otherwise why would I even bother trying to do anything about it? I'm not a moderator on CNN, I don't have any obligation to be 100% unbiased.

I do see both sides of the argument, I just don't agree with the extreme edges of the argument who flat-out deny the green tint is there, even though it's been proven countless times to exist. That simply isn't logical, regardless of any other factors. If we can prove the tint exists, yet nobody can submit any proof to the contrary, what am I left to work with?

One side of the argument: The green tint is objectionable and needs to be replaced.

Other side of the argument: The green tint isn't bad, it's the new color timing, doesn't affect my enjoyment.

I fully understand both of those arguments. I don't understand the "green tint doesn't even exist" arguments at all because frankly they have nothing to back them up whatsoever.

The green tint does indeed exist, but it not near as prevalent as some people have made it out to be. I have watched it on two of my calibrated displays and it's there, but if I had not known it was there beforehand I never would have noticed it. Snow is still white, beards are still white or gray, and that guy that posted the caps from the second breakfast scene has some screwed up displays.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Don't bother. It's prestons setup. He posted about a glitch before. No one else has. He's just a distraction from the real problem.

Thanks. I'll take your word for that. I didn't see his post admitting to an equipment issue.