The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by mredman

We all know that there is no mistake. Warner made a statement telling that. Thats why people that think an exchange program will happen are kidding themselves because the way FOTR looks now is the intended look by PJ. If it weren't PJ would have come out and said so after warner made it clear. Now that PJ has not said anyting or complained we know that warner is telling the truth and there is nothing wrong with how FOTR looks now.

Why doesn't he come out? It goes both ways. He could also say that he did indeed approve it. Instead he says nothing at all. And as long as he doesn't say anything himself there's still the suspicion that something fishy going on.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Why doesn't he come out? It goes both ways. He could also say that he did indeed approve it. Instead he says nothing at all. And as long as he doesn't say anything himself there's still the suspicion that something fishy going on.

More conspiratorial nonsense. He did, you know, when he approved of the new master during the FotR theatrical presentation. He's probably too busy and cares more about finishing the Hobbit than addressing this outrage.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

True. Still points to an authoring mistake. If PJ authorized the green tint, and iTunes used an old DVD master for the "new" EE Digital Copy, and Windows used the new PJ approved master, then someone made a mistake!!!

If I can download a Windows version of the Digital Copy, I will post images

Didn't you read Warner's statement there is NO mistake with this release what you are watching is the old EE FOTR DVD master.

Even at the theaters people saw the change.
The change is now everywhere, and on the trailer at the official site.Warner making a statement that no mistake was made and the silence by PJ after warner did this shows that warner and PJ is in agreement or he would have said something by now.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by 42041

Actually, the whole film was timed digitally even before TROTK came out, according to this interview: http://archiv.arri.de/news/newslette...erl_lesnie.htm
The relevant quote: "Before we started timing the third film, at Peter Jackson’s request we went back to film one, scanned in the 30% that had not been scanned previously and output the first film as a digital intermediate. So now all three films have been completely digitally timed."

(which really makes the theatrical release questionable, if they were sitting on a full DI the whole time...)

That sir is a great find. The EE dvd of FOTR was released on 11/12/2002 so I don't know of the DI was complete by then for Warner to use for the dvd. It obviously was done for the TE bluray. So unknown to me the entire film was digitally color graded by Peter Doyle and Andrew Lesnie. So Warner's statement about the film never completely color timed is completely innaccurate and false!

Another interesting question pops up. I was told that a digital intermediates never get remastered. It looks like that is exactly what was done here! The entire DI was remastered from the 2K digital files and from a detail perspective compared to the TE bluray with stunning results. So the old master with DNR, EE, etc. was chucked. The DI which more or less would be the equivalent of an interpostive where the colors are finished photochemically. Not a new transfer as the the scanned OCN is already in the 2K DI, but a new master for sure.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Alan Preston

Uh oh. My son was watching Two Towers and he called me in to show me a missing sound bite. After Frodo tells Smeagol his name and Smeagol repeats it, they are interrupted by the squeal of a black rider...no squeal and I think there are more sounds from the rider that are missing. Even after rewinding it and listening hard, it is barely audible. There is no home theatre issue here as this movie has been blasting for hours and is perfectly fine. Not sure if this was posted already (I'm sorry if it was) but I looked and did not see such a thread. Anyone else notice this or care to go to that scene and tell me their copy is also missing this important sound?

I saw some other responses to this, but just got around to checking it on my disk. Nothing is missing on mine. The black rider shriek comes from left of middle of the rear sound stage at around 49:06 in Ch14 of TT. Elements of the shriek emanate from all speakers. Perfectly timed with Sam's reaction.

You may have a defect in your disk. You might try it on a different player, if you have access to one. If you experience the same problem with a different player, you will have no problem getting a replacement from Warner Home Entertainment. You will probably have to return the defective disk to them. It would be useful if others would check this, just to make sure we don't have something like the Private Ryan audio synch issue.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I saw some other responses to this, but just got around to checking it on my disk. Nothing is missing on mine. The black rider shriek comes from left of middle of the rear sound stage at around 49:06 in Ch14 of TT. Elements of the shriek emanate from all speakers. Perfectly timed with Sam's reaction.

You may have a defect in your disk. You might try it on a different player, if you have access to one. If you experience the same problem with a different player, you will have no problem getting a replacement from Warner Home Entertainment. You will probably have to return the defective disk to them. It would be useful if others would check this, just to make sure we don't have something like the Private Ryan audio synch issue.

Don't bother. It's prestons setup. He posted about a glitch before. No one else has. He's just a distraction from the real problem.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by BluRayFiend

Not to be a lemming but troy an ed are completely right!
My biggest question is why a mod won't just close the thread

Why would a mod close the thread? I like to think we're all adults, capable of at least a little bit of self-government.

So many dead horses being beaten! "Peter approved it himself!" - see, I don't buy this, and I'm not the paranoid conspiracy theorist type. I just know how PR and marketing works. Paramount NEVER admitted there was a problem with Gladiator. They just quietly pulled all the DNR discs and issued new discs, with a statement somewhere along the lines of "Though the old DNR disc was incredibly amazing, we decided to issue a new disc for those customers who wished to view a different version of this film"... yet they completely pulled the DNR disc and aren't putting it in boxes anymore. Admitting fault would, possibly, legally bind them to a full recall which is expensive and time-consuming. The way they chose to do it satisfied customers without putting themselves in the frying pan.

I think this statement is similar. They say that PJ approved the new color timing on the new master. I believe this. There are changes to the color timing, that when the green tint isn't prevalent (and don't get me wrong, for MUCH of the movie I don't find the green tint even remotely objectionable! I'm not the enemy here! ) are much, much better. However, the PR release mentions the color timing, not the green tint. I think they are two different things, that at a glance a Warner rep would say "Yes, whatever colors you are seeing are the new PJ color timing" without actually popping in a retail BD copy. They would issue a quick statement after maybe a brief confirmation with someone supposedly in the know and say YEP, go ahead and buy. They don't want to affect opening-day sales. This is not them being the Evil Empire, just doing what ANY reasonable company would do.

The thing about the green tint is that even in scenes where you can't really tell it's there in motion, it's there. A blanket tint of an entire movie is not "color regrading", it's most likely a mistake. Those of you defending the new color timing, I can't imagine you wouldn't like a corrected version more, with the same great color timing AND no green tint detracting from the contrast and color palette at times. People are not debating whether the new "color timing" is great, they are debating why the green tint is there ON TOP of the new color timing. That's all.

I realize I'm kind of beating a dead horse now too, but I'm just trying to explain how both sides are RIGHT, in their own ways, and need to make a feeeew concessions to the other side of the argument.

All the people sending messages to WB are doing is trying to get the best version of this movie available, and we have reason to believe it's not so. If you don't support the cause, so be it, but why rain on it instead? If we take a couple of minutes to tell WB (or hit up PJ's Facebook, New Line or WB's Facebook, make an online petition etc.) and something does get done, a la Gladiator and a few other select titles, then we've scored one for all of us, not just our side. And if nothing changes, or even if it does, you will not be FORCED to exchange the green disc.

Just trying to hopefully explain this mess a little bit because a few minor things are still muddying the argument here. The one side aren't hippies telling you Kennedy was murdered by aliens, and the other side aren't knee-jerk reactionaries outright denying the tint is there, they are just questioning the level of acceptability of it, and/or how noticeable it is.

Why can't weeee be friends, why can't weeee be frieeeeends??

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Netflix will have it in due time I'm sure. Since you have already made it clear you aren't buying I don't see how waiting ends up being an issue but I have no issue in saying you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't use your own eyes to view it in motion.

Your best option to view without buying is to borrow it from a friend. If Netflix was considering carrying it, they would have it listed with a green SAVE icon. To get them to consider it would take a hugh telephone/email campaign since they have Extended DVD and TE Blu-ray already in their inventory.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

Thanks for helping to ruin any chance of an exchange program for FOTR. Keep up the 'great' work.

We got every right to be happy with the release

Originally Posted by oaguirre

I´ve seen the new FOTR transfer. It actually has more detail, but the green tone doesn´t feel right. It looks totally different than the other two movies.

Maybe, 6 months from now, WB will do an individual release of these movies (the blu-ray discs only). Maybe a new FOTR transfer will be placed for that release.

WB has done that before for other movies.

As we know from warner this IS the version PJ approved. So why do you think they would do another transfer if this the way PJ want the movie to look like?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

He did, you know, when he approved of the new master during the FotR theatrical presentation.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Anyone else remember those shots of Peter's couch from the editing studio on the EE supplements? Peter Jackson is the only man I've ever seen on a DVD supplement approve editorial decisions in a horizontal position. Not saying it has never happened before...just saying, he's the first guy I've ever seen present documentary footage of himself lying on a couch while his editors click away. Reminded me in a negative way of Harry Knowles.

Anyway, the man was exhausted then, I don't doubt he is just as exhausted now.

Why did you cut this out of JLTucker's post?

[42041]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Another interesting question pops up. I was told that a digital intermediates never get remastered. It looks like that is exactly what was done here! The entire DI was remastered from the 2K digital files and from a detail perspective compared to the TE bluray with stunning results. So the old master with DNR, EE, etc. was chucked. The DI which more or less would be the equivalent of an interpostive where the colors are finished photochemically. Not a new transfer as the the scanned OCN is already in the 2K DI, but a new master for sure.

Well just keep in mind that the TE almost certainly does not represent the "original" DI that Lesnie is talking about. The TE image has very visible telecine wobble even though the whole movie was done with pin-registered scanners, as well as the general vagueness of detail.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by mredman

We got every right to happy with the release

You do, indeed! Nobody is stopping you from enjoying the green disc if you don't let anyone's opinion here sway you... but you have nothing to gain from raining on our parade. You have a version of FOTR that you are happy with. Praise be.

[Falcon Eddie]

Originally Posted by MEB

Please post objective proof that your Fellowship of the Ring lacks any green tint. Where are your screen shots and photos proving that your FOTR EE discs do not have the flaw?

Several of us have posted objective proof that FOTR has a green tint. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON THAT SAYS THERE IS NO GREEN TINT HAS POSTED ANY FORM OF OBJECTIVE PROOF.

Mark

I will say this one last time......I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Next I'll have to prove to you something else. It is a waste of my time. I also do not lie. When my print shows white, it is ALL white. When my print shows blue, it is ALL blue. There is no green tint permeating the whole frame of every sequence, act, and entire film either. My print of Fellowship of the Ring does not exhibit the green tint you desire everybody to believe. Now, I do not have a way to prove YOUR accusations that I am now a liar too. I also have no need to prove myself to you or anyone else. I posted my comments truthfully and to let everyone know there are setups that are not exhibiting the green tint you would like everybody to believe exists across the board on every person's setup. As I said before this is a load of bollocks and I know that it is now. If you and other people have a problem somewhere with your setups or prints I don't know what to say, but I don't have those problems. Again, I said my print of this film does not have ANY HINT of a green tint and that is not an exaggeration but pure fact. Now if someone in my area wants to come and see for themselves that is fine with me. That way I can rub this whole issue in your face. Besides posting photos is being a waste of time for me, all you have to say is I did something with Photoshop to correct the image before posting it. I am not stupid and I'm not some young punk kid that does not know what I'm talking about. I also do not need you haranguing me about a non issue on my end that does not appear ANYWHERE on my setup. Some of those screenshots are ludicrous and anybody who buys into that, well......of course there could be a lot of things going on there and I do not feel the need to sort your problems out. As far as me posting a complaint to Warner, well...that will happen when H**L freezes over because there is nothing wrong on my setup that warrants that criticism.

To the poster that asked about if "anyone received their box set from Barnes and Noble yet and what condition it was in" is I received mine on Friday and it came in pristine condition. Now I probably will have to prove that too because........

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by HeKS

But the thing is, when one considers the new color timing on TT and the new timing on FOTR apart from the green tint and contrast, the films now look more consistent than they ever have, IMO.

What new color timing are you talking about in TTT? Every edition is virtually identical with changes so small they are beyond subtle.

Here is an extremely subtle change from green to blue tint in a handful of scenes. Color timing in the scenes is virtually identical.
http://blubrew.com/2011/06/21/the-tw...ended-edition/

There are some very monir shifts here as well, but beyond subtle and very faithful to the original color grading of the films and nothing like the radical shifts in FOTR. I don't see any orange and teal either or increased black levels.
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ss=0#vergleich

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie

I will say this one last time......I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Next I'll have to prove to you something else. It is a waste of my time. I also do not lie. When my print shows white, it is ALL white. When my print shows blue, it is ALL blue. There is no grren tint permeating the whole frame of every sequence, act, and entire film either. My print of Fellowship of the Ring does not exhibit the green tint you desire everybody to beleive. Now, I do not have a way to prove YOUR accusations that I am now a liar too. I also have no need to prove myself to you or anyone else. I posted my comments truthfully and to let everyone know there are setups that are not exhibiting the green tint you would like everybody to believe exists across the board on every person's setup. As I said before this is a load of bollocks and I know that it is now. If you and other people have a problem somewhere with your setups or prints I don't know what to say, but I don't have those problems. Again, I said my print of this film does not have ANY HINT of a green tint and that is not an exaggeration but pure fact. Now if someone in my area wants to come and see for themselves that is fine with me. That way I can rub this whole issue in your face. Besides posting photos is being a waste of time for me, all you have to say is I did something with Photoshop to correct the image before posting it. I am not stupid and I'm not some young punk kid that does not know what I'm talking about. I also do not need you haranguing me about a non issue on my end that does not appear ANYWHERE on my setup. Some of those screenshots are ludicrous and anybody who buys into that, well......

Statements like this are why this argument is going in circles. "I'm right, you are not just wrong but you're a liar, and a stupid one at that, and I am absolutely unwilling to change my opinion". Well, you can understand why that sort of attitude won't bring ANY sort of closure to this debate whatsoever, I hope. Otherwise there's no sense talking to you at all.

The green tint is there for everyone until proven otherwise. Right now there isn't a single screen proving the lack of green tint and innumerable sources proving the presence of it. How would that look to a court of law?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

So why is the sky green, too, and the path Gandalf travels along, and his robes and the scarecrow and the flowers and whatever else occurs?

Grading doesn't work like this. If he had wanted to make the grass greener he would have made the grass greener, not everything.

Sorry, your reasoning makes no sense to me.

Subjectively, the EE looks like Middle Earth and the Fixed looks like a still of an outdoor set. To successfully argue a subjective opinion about this, you will need a fantasy time machine. You will need to take a trip back in time and dimensionally shift to Middle Earth, take some stills, come back and post them here so we can compare the EE, EE Fixed, Middle Earth, Hobbiton. (not to be confused with Hobbiton, New Zealand.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...on+new+zealand

[Steel Panther]

So how dreadful is that Green hue? My gf wants the movies but people are tripping on it, and others say it's not even noticeable...

[blu2]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

More conspiratorial nonsense. He did, you know, when he approved of the new master during the FotR theatrical presentation. He's probably too busy and cares more about finishing the Hobbit than addressing this outrage.

Well he has time to post casting updates on his facebook page, so posting a paragraph or two on the tinting would not be unreasonable.

[gridbug]

Personally, I'm having a hard time believing that Peter Jackson ok'd the green tint on FotR. While it may work for some of the scenes, the ones where it stands out like a sore thumb (can't remember exactly where it was, but at one point the whites of Frodo and Sam's eyes were unmistakably greenish grey) are just terrible, even from an artistic point of view. This doesn't add to the "magical" quality of Middle Earth, it adds to my aggravation as a fan who wants nothing more than to enjoy this film in it's finest presentation format possible. And while the FotR 2K transfer does have some merit, the blanket green tint truly diminishes what should be a flawless presentation.

Still awaiting actual, official word from Peter Jackson himself.

[Goldengirl]

Originally Posted by dncpunke

I have found the opposite to be true as of late. Examples would be Josie Wales, True Grit (John Wayne), and Beverly Hills Cop to name a few. I would expect the EE's on blu on Netflix sooner than later.

It's been the luck of the draw. I'm still waiting for Netflix to make An Affair to Remember and Topsy-Turvy available in blue for me to make my decision on whether or not to purchase.