The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Brightstar]

will we ever get the LOTR EE trilogy in 4K ? I heard the films are finished in 2k so there is very small chance we might see it on UHD . Even if we do they might be upconverted and not true 4k

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

I did home disc to digital for FOTR and TTT EE (I got ROTK at Big Lots so didn't need to bother with that one), because I did more than 9 DVDs at once it came down to $2.50 each. I prefer the theatrical cuts, which I have on Blu, but with the EE Blu-rays not being very affordable I figured I'd settle for HDX on the first two.

I had some VUDU credits a couple years ago and did the disc to digital with the extended cuts of all three LOTR films. I'm glad I did because I find myself watching them occasionally when I am stuck with just my phone somewhere.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

will we ever get the LOTR EE trilogy in 4K ? I heard the films are finished in 2k so there is very small chance we might see it on UHD . Even if we do they might be upconverted and not true 4k

Answered your own question there.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

will we ever get the LOTR EE trilogy in 4K ? I heard the films are finished in 2k so there is very small chance we might see it on UHD . Even if we do they might be upconverted and not true 4k

Ever is a long time, but it's not gonna happen in the forseeable future.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

will we ever get the LOTR EE trilogy in 4K ? I heard the films are finished in 2k so there is very small chance we might see it on UHD . Even if we do they might be upconverted and not true 4k

It would be a tremendous amount of work and money involved. Essentially, it would be like remaking the movies and I don't see that many people (other than a small niche crowd) really care much about it, so sales wouldn't justify it at all.

There is always the chance they are released in 2K form upscaled to UHD and that you get 10 bit and the P3 color gamut.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It would be a tremendous amount of work and money involved. Essentially, it would be like remaking the movies and I don't see that many people (other than a small niche crowd) really care much about it, so sales wouldn't justify it at all.

There is always the chance they are released in 2K form upscaled to UHD and that you get 10 bit and the P3 color gamut.

This is lotr we are talking about so it will sell if they remaster it in 4k . If not i will stick to my EE box set

[42041]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

This is lotr we are talking about so it will sell if they remaster it in 4k . If not i will stick to my EE box set

Look at it this way - WB did not think it worth their time to do The Hobbit at 4K, even though all the footage was shot in 4k+ digital and they would only have to expend that effort once. It's just not high on anyone's list of priorities (except maybe Sony, who have TVs to sell).

[ckenisell]

My next purchase of the Hobbit trilogy will be the EE 4K Ultra HD 48fps 3D version. Until then, I am fine with the EE BDs.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

My next purchase of the Hobbit trilogy will be the EE 4K Ultra HD 48fps 3D version. Until then, I am fine with the EE BDs.

Good luck. There is no 48 fps nor 3D in the UHD specs.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by 42041

Look at it this way - WB did not think it worth their time to do The Hobbit at 4K, even though all the footage was shot in 4k+ digital and they would only have to expend that effort once. It's just not high on anyone's list of priorities (except maybe Sony, who have TVs to sell).

To be fair the 48fps thing and 3D both played their part in that decision. They already quadrupled up on their bandwidth to finish it in 48fps 2K 3D compared to 24fps 2K 2D, but you'd have to shift something like 16x the amount of data for a 48fps 4K 3D finish!

Could they have at least done a 24fps 4K 2D finish, like Sony have done with several of their 2K 3D shows? Sure, but then accusations of not "expending the effort" would be thrown around regardless should a 4K HFR and/or 4K 3D delivery system ever become a reality so they thought "sod it, we'll finish it at 2K 3D".

[Geoff D]

Just to put it into context, the average 2 hour movie finished at 10-bit 2K 24fps would be roughly 2TB for the uncompressed master, so I've been told. Make that 3TB for a 3 hour 'Hobbit sized' movie. Double that up for 3D, and double it up again for 48fps, you're looking at 12TB for your 48fps 2K 3D master. Now times that by four for the increase in 4K resolution (with compressed formats it's not usually 4x the amount of data, but uncompressed is simply 4x bigger), that's a 4K 3D 48fps master which would weigh in at 48TB and would require an insane amount of throughput to work on. Heck, even if they'd worked on the 48fps 2K 3D and a 24fps 4K 2D at the same that would still have clocked in at 24TB in total.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Good luck. There is no 48 fps nor 3D in the UHD specs.

That's okay. I'm a big fan of my money.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

To be fair the 48fps thing and 3D both played their part in that decision. They already quadrupled up on their bandwidth to finish it in 48fps 2K 3D compared to 24fps 2K 2D, but you'd have to shift something like 16x the amount of data for a 48fps 4K 3D finish!

Could they have at least done a 24fps 4K 2D finish, like Sony have done with several of their 2K 3D shows? Sure, but then accusations of not "expending the effort" would be thrown around regardless should a 4K HFR and/or 4K 3D delivery system ever become a reality so they thought "sod it, we'll finish it at 2K 3D".

True, but I think it just goes to show that native 4K is not a top priority for Warner - they rather place other things (3D, 24fps, etc.) above it. And that probably makes financial sense for them as those are things they can sell better and how many theaters at least in the U.S. have 4K projectors? I'm guessing very few.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

This is lotr we are talking about so it will sell if they remaster it in 4k . If not i will stick to my EE box set

It would likely costs tens of millions of dollars to do all three films. Highly unlikely for that .25 percentage of the buying population who cares. Hell, a poll on this site shows 90% don't even really care much about UHD BD.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It would likely costs tens of millions of dollars to do all three films. Highly unlikely for that .25 percentage of the buying population who cares. Hell, a poll on this site shows 90% don't even really care much about UHD BD.

I imagine UHD Blu-ray and 4K media would have to be a phenomenon bigger than the DVD boom for studios to even consider investing in what would essentially be a whole new post production process. And the galore of revisionism entailed by that, even with the aim toward not changing things... they'd be new movies. I suppose it's somewhat similar to how Disney approaches select animated features.

[Brightstar]

well peter jackson did say he would do something about a 25th anniversary

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

I imagine UHD Blu-ray and 4K media would have to be a phenomenon bigger than the DVD boom for studios to even consider investing in what would essentially be a whole new post production process. And the galore of revisionism entailed by that, even with the aim toward not changing things... they'd be new movies. I suppose it's somewhat similar to how Disney approaches select animated features.

Yep, I've been thinking along those same lines for a while, UHD is gonna need to go over like gangbusters (not just the physical media version, but in general) for studios to consider 4K rebuilds to be commercially viable. You're right about the revisionism too, they'd pretty much automatically be regraded in HDR if they were rebuilt by Fox or Sony, and what director couldn't resist a few tweaks to the VFX or painting out a few errors? Even Scorsese, renowned cineaste that he is, clearly had zero problems with them correcting the number plate goof in Goodfellas. That's all well and good for filmmakers who are alive and can supervise, but what about those who aren't and can't?

Still, the studios face those questions every day when doing a remaster/restoration from the negative now, never mind 4K rebuilds, HDR etc, so I guess we're through the looking glass in that respect.

[lkmg]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

well peter jackson did say he would do something about a 25th anniversary

Which is when? Wonder what special features will there be?

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by lkmg

Which is when? Wonder what special features will there be?

Erm... 2026 (or 2028 for the trilogy)
I think Brightstar meant to say 15th anniversary.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Erm... 2026 (or 2028 for the trilogy)
I think Brightstar meant to say 15th anniversary.

no peter jackson did say 25th anniversary and why is the EE box set out of print ?