The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003) - Page 760 - Blu-ray Forum

Morsoth · 01-11-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rikraq

There used to be a place to download the booklets or something that someone did, but I can't remember where. Does anyone know?

Yes, they are here (The Hobbit): http://www.henneth-annun.ru/index.ph...iy-buklet/#eng

Charles Essie · 01-14-2019, 09:24 PM

When (or if) they do release the trilogy in 4K, it might be necessary to update some of the visual effects for a smother transition like they did with Star Trek (not like Star Wars, god forbid).

hanshotfirst1138 · 01-15-2019, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Essie

When (or if) they do release the trilogy in 4K, it might be necessary to update some of the visual effects for a smother transition like they did with Star Trek (not like Star Wars, god forbid).

What were the FX done in? 2K?

Christian Muth · 01-15-2019, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138

What were the FX done in? 2K?

The entire films were finished as 2K DIs. Shot in Super-35 and scanned and finished at 2K, effects and non-effects shots.

Chris

Charles Essie · 01-15-2019, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian Muth

The entire films were finished as 2K DIs. Shot in Super-35 and scanned and finished at 2K, effects and non-effects shots.

Chris

I guess that means special effects updating is essential.

Christian Muth · 01-15-2019, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Essie

I guess that means special effects updating is essential.

You really expect them to redo all of the effects for these?

Chris

jabba359 · 01-15-2019, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Essie

When (or if) they do release the trilogy in 4K, it might be necessary to update some of the visual effects for a smother transition like they did with Star Trek (not like Star Wars, god forbid).

I like that idea and have thought about how great that would be on several occasions. Even if they don't redo all the VFX, at least clean up some of the work that hasn't aged that well (or didn't look that good to begin with, I'm looking at you Frodo running into Mt. Doom

).

I mean, these movies have made so much money that I'd think they could spare some money to update some of the VFX. I also don't want full on Lucas, but agree that the Star Trek (and TNG) updates were tastefully done. Make the LotR Special Editions, give them a limited theatrical release, and then put them out on UHD and I'll own them for a fifth time (theatrical DVD->extended DVD->theatrical Blu-ray->extended Blu-ray->UHD Special Edition). In that scenario, might as well toss in the original VFX verions on UHD for the purists that don't want tampered VFX, then everyone is happy.

StingingVelvet · 01-15-2019, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Essie

I guess that means special effects updating is essential.

Uh, it really doesn't. Most effects are done in 2k even today. Older movies than these have gotten 4k remasters without CG changes. It's fine.

Assuming it was Star Trek TNG mentioned before, that was a whole separate deal because the show was edited and finalized on SD video tape. That's why they had to redo the effects.

levcore · 01-15-2019, 06:20 AM

The VFX in these movies don't need updating, they are what they are.

Ernest Rister · 01-15-2019, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Uh, it really doesn't. Most effects are done in 2k even today. Older movies than these have gotten 4k remasters without CG changes. It's fine.

Assuming it was Star Trek TNG mentioned before, that was a whole separate deal because the show was edited and finalized on SD video tape. That's why they had to redo the effects.

SV is right...and I personally don't need updated VFX in the first place. Let history be history.

TheHutt · 01-15-2019, 07:03 AM

Come on, it's Warner. If they can save a dime on Lord of the Rings, they will.

They never really cared about LOTR, even when it fell into their lap through buying New Line. Especially as they had an own competing Harry Potter franchise.

drush9999 · 01-15-2019, 07:34 AM

Yeah leave the VFX alone, they still look great even today.

hanshotfirst1138 · 01-15-2019, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian Muth

You really expect them to redo all of the effects for these?

Chris

It’d take less time that it would to redo the FX for The Hobbit movies, also done at 2K

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WKoA13 · 01-15-2019, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHutt

Come on, it's Warner. If they can save a dime on Lord of the Rings, they will.

They never really cared about LOTR, even when it fell into their lap through buying New Line. Especially as they had an own competing Harry Potter franchise.

I kinda feel the same way about Warner.

Blu-ray, it took a surprising amount of time for LOTR to hit the format. And it was theatrical only first, for about a year. The POTTER series got a super early release (including HD DVD during the format war).

Seems to be the same with 4k. I'm sure we'll see another re-issue of the Potter series before RINGS.
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On the subject of the effects, most of them would look just fine still. There are a few that I think they could touch up as far as lighting/color. Early 2000s means there are some creatures or CG characters that just don't look like they're colored or lit correctly for the scene they're in.

StingingVelvet · 01-15-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WKoA13

On the subject of the effects, most of them would look just fine still. There are a few that I think they could touch up as far as lighting/color. Early 2000s means there are some creatures or CG characters that just don't look like they're colored or lit correctly for the scene they're in.

So what? That's the movie. Don't change movies to be more "modern" dude, leave art how it is. The Mummy Returns came out on UHD with no changes for heaven's sake, it's a non-issue.

WKoA13 · 01-15-2019, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

So what? That's the movie. Don't change movies to be more "modern" dude, leave art how it is. The Mummy Returns came out on UHD with no changes for heaven's sake, it's a non-issue.

Improving the color/lighting on a handful of CG FX is hardly "changing the movie to be modern".

jvonl · 01-15-2019, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WKoA13

Improving the color/lighting on a handful of CG FX is hardly "changing the movie to be modern".

Well, actually.....it is...

WKoA13 · 01-15-2019, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jvonl

Well, actually.....it is...

Not really, no. Redoing the effects entirely would be, sure. Adding in, swapping out things with more modern items or images would be.

But yeah...sure. So how many of you are going to be throwing out the movies in your collections that have had color corrections/timing done? As well as minor tweaks to remove visible strings or correct/adjust framing?

Christian Muth · 01-15-2019, 09:45 PM

It would be cool if non-effects shots were rescanned at 4K from the Super-35 negatives for any future UHD release. As I recall, something like 30% of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING consisted of shots with no CGI at all. Not sure what the percentage might be on the other 2 films, but those sweeping aerial shots of the New Zealand landscapes etc. would look great in true 4K.

Chris

shinobipopcorn · 01-15-2019, 10:15 PM

The only problem I had with the effects in these films is that Gollum looked a little jarring when he showed up on screen in TT HD, just because he looked like a cel pasted into shot. His actual performance was great, the edges were just a little too sharp, maybe because I was used to DVD. As the film went on, I got used to it, and I didn't notice it in RoK.

01-14-2019, 09:24 PM	#15182
Charles Essie Active Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2016 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:378	Special Effects When (or if) they do release the trilogy in 4K, it might be necessary to update some of the visual effects for a smother transition like they did with Star Trek (not like Star Wars, god forbid).

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Christian Muth Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2012 Location:Detroit, Michigan Trading Score:1	It would be cool if non-effects shots were rescanned at 4K from the Super-35 negatives for any future UHD release. As I recall, something like 30% of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING consisted of shots with no CGI at all. Not sure what the percentage might be on the other 2 films, but those sweeping aerial shots of the New Zealand landscapes etc. would look great in true 4K. Chris Last edited by Christian Muth; 01-15-2019 at 10:37 PM.

01-15-2019, 06:20 AM	#15189
levcore Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Dryland 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:2617 Trading Score:3	The VFX in these movies don't need updating, they are what they are.

01-15-2019, 07:03 AM	#15191
TheHutt Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Trading Score:1	Come on, it's Warner. If they can save a dime on Lord of the Rings, they will. They never really cared about LOTR, even when it fell into their lap through buying New Line. Especially as they had an own competing Harry Potter franchise.

01-15-2019, 07:34 AM	#15192
drush9999 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2016 Location:Sutton Coldfield, England 4K collection:566 Blu-ray collection:6093 DVD collection:488 Trading Score:1	Yeah leave the VFX alone, they still look great even today.

01-15-2019, 10:15 PM	#15200
shinobipopcorn Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2017 Location:Cow Country Home Theater Gallery:11 4K collection:75 Blu-ray collection:438 DVD collection:304 MA collection:266 Digital collection:303 iTunes collection:238 Blu-ray reviews: 30 Trading Score:6	The only problem I had with the effects in these films is that Gollum looked a little jarring when he showed up on screen in TT HD, just because he looked like a cel pasted into shot. His actual performance was great, the edges were just a little too sharp, maybe because I was used to DVD. As the film went on, I got used to it, and I didn't notice it in RoK.

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