The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by WKoA13

Not really, no. Redoing the effects entirely would be, sure. Adding in, swapping out things with more modern items or images would be.

But yeah...sure. So how many of you are going to be throwing out the movies in your collections that have had color corrections/timing done? As well as minor tweaks to remove visible strings or correct/adjust framing?

There's a difference between removing strings and altering the CGI itself. Also I think most enthusiasts are against any changes, so you're arguing against a negative there.

In any case HDR does help old CGI by improving how it's lit, if that helps at all.

[TheHutt]

I am actually skeptical as for the capability of today's software to work with old SFX files from 2001-2003...

[levcore]

Why is this still an issue for some, the vfx in these movies are terrific still, all these years later. There's a reason these movies won Oscars for VFX.

[Vangeli]

If the HDR regrade is done properly it'll only make the VFX look even better, without needing to waste so much money rendering new VFX.

[insomniac013]

Fellowship in 4k better not be that weird looking green tint version.

[Arawn]

The green tint will still be there, it'll just look so much better.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Arawn

The green tint will still be there, it'll just look so much better.

Correcting that would be the major incentive for me triple dipping on the films again.

[imsounoriginal]

Higher dynamic range should alleviate that blanket green tint and add some more nuance back to the picture, so I'm not too worried about it. Would rather they just honor the original photography that, you know, won an Oscar, but I think we're past that.

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by Arawn

The green tint will still be there, it'll just look so much better.

The Matrix UHDs say hi

[TheHutt]

Originally Posted by insomniac013

Fellowship in 4k better not be that weird looking green tint version.

It was approved by Andrew Lesnie.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by TheHutt

It was approved by Andrew Lesnie.

And Friedkin approved The French Connection, and Spielberg digitally removed guns from E.T. and Jackson thought soap-opera-effect frame-rate would be great for the Hobbit films.

Mistakes happen. It's ok. Just learn from them.

"Why do we fall, Bruce?"

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

And Friedkin approved The French Connection, and Spielberg digitally removed guns from E.T. and Jackson thought soap-opera-effect frame-rate would be great for the Hobbit films.

Mistakes happen. It's ok. Just learn from them.

God I hated that high frame rate for the first Hobbit. It was a mistake seeing it on that format. I liked the movie a lot, but that kind of soured the experience a bit especially since I’d been waiting nine years to return to Middle-earth on the big screen.

And I’m still convinced there’s something they aren’t telling us about the green tint on Fellowship of the Ring. I could understand them touching up certain scenes and sequences, but it’s a complete blanket-tint. And the fact that the shots used from that movie in the other movies weren’t altered makes me really wonder.

[imsounoriginal]

They must’ve improved the HFR tech dramatically between Hobbit 1 and Hobbit 3, because it looked great on the third one.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

They must’ve improved the HFR tech dramatically between Hobbit 1 and Hobbit 3, because it looked great on the third one.

I intensely disliked Desolation of Smaug so much, I didn't bother going to the theater to see Part Three, yet I have the extended cuts (in 3D, no less) because of the making-of docs. So you've seen something I haven't. I guess I can turn on the "smoothness" feature on my Bravia to replicate the high-frame-rate, but then that means I'd have to watch Alfrid again.

[TheHutt]

I guess I can turn on the "smoothness" feature on my Bravia to replicate the high-frame-rate, but then that means I'd have to watch Alfrid again.

A truly smooth experience!

[jayman3]

[4K HDR DEMO] LOTR: The Two Towers 2002 | UHD VISIONPLUSHDR-X 6000 PQ Rec. 2020 - TEKNO3D - YouTube

Process:

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There appear to be a lot of confusion about the HDR "nits". Some people confuse the term nits with the panel brightness/capabilities in regard to the HDR content. This is technically and certainly wrong.

The PQ HDR format works in an amplified gamma curve than the limited SDR 100 nit. PQ HDR works up to 10.000 instead.

Having this fact understood, the content grading should always be close to the standard maximum gamma range to be in it's full glory.

Studios UHD blu-rays are mostly 1000 nit and some are 4000. People still don't have 4000 nit panels but those higher nit grades just look better than the weaker 1000. Having this another fact understood, it means you don't need the panel capability to be 1000, 2000, 4000 or 10.000 to enjoy HDR content. The panel will just show what it can, but the HDR tonemap will always be higher quality when close to the max format spec ( 10.000 ).

When colorists grade up to 1000, doesn't mean is because most TV's can't show more than 1000, it means it's just easier to grade.

1000 nit HDR content mostly lacks proper midtones and highlight, due to being so low in the PQ gamma standard.


Let say you grade SDR content, what happens if you do it in 10 nits instead 100? The video will just look pretty weak, anywhere. Same concept for PQ HDR. 1000 nits will be dramatically weaker than 10.000, but it doesn't mean you can't watch it anywhere, both of grades.

This is the reason we always try to go further than what studios are doing, because it's the right way to do it.

We work hard to generate the tonemap able to show 6000 and up nit PQ Grade properly on any HDR TV of the market.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

And Friedkin approved The French Connection, and Spielberg digitally removed guns from E.T. and Jackson thought soap-opera-effect frame-rate would be great for the Hobbit films.

Mistakes happen. It's ok. Just learn from them.

It's not a mistake, it's an artistic decision, and the examples you provided were not mistakes either. Neither were the revisions or reversals made later on home video.

A mistake would be to let the audience dictate color timing preferences.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by jayman3

[4K HDR DEMO] LOTR: The Two Towers 2002 | UHD VISIONPLUSHDR-X 6000 PQ Rec. 2020 - TEKNO3D - YouTube

Process:

Kinda difficult to really get a feel watching that on my phone lol but it looked good. Except for around 1:10 when he’s talking about the “forest of Fangorn lies on our doorstep”, shadowy parts looked a little blue. Unless it’s supposed to look like that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I intensely disliked Desolation of Smaug so much, I didn't bother going to the theater to see Part Three, yet I have the extended cuts (in 3D, no less) because of the making-of docs. So you've seen something I haven't. I guess I can turn on the "smoothness" feature on my Bravia to replicate the high-frame-rate, but then that means I'd have to watch Alfrid again.

Yeah I avoided HFR for the first two Hobbits because I'd read such awful things, but for Battle I figured there may not be another opportunity to check it out for a while, so I might as well. Ended up enjoying it quite a bit. There's definitely an adjustment period initially, but by the time Smaug croaked, I'd bought in. I'm not saying I want this to become the new standard for filmmaking, but for certain movies (and especially for 3D), it certainly has its merits IMHO.

[rroeder]

I saw all three in 3D HFR and enjoyed them, the 3D blurays just don't have the same feel. Doubt we'll see the 3D versions updated to HFR and not sure how I feel about HFR UHD's, unless it's an option and the 24p version is also available.