Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[notops]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

So you randomly decided that you prefer 24fps over anything else even before you ever watched a single film, and it has absolutely nothing do to with the fact that you just happened to watch every single movie ever in 24fps?

Nope. Again you assume. I gave HFR several chances (every Hobbit movie twice and Gemini Man). I dislike the 'video' look of those films, a look that I am quite familiar with.

The distracting element went away with my second viewing of An Unexpected Journey. With each subsequent HFR viewing I realized that I simply did not like the different visual aesthetic of 48, then 120fps. I was plenty "used to it", I simply dislike it.

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by Archivy

I quite clearly did not shrug off anything. I was aiming for nuance, which is of course a big no-no on the Interwebs. My very next sentence was:

You yourself are saying you agree with this bolded part!

I hear you, but I keep seeing that sentiment: people just aren't used to it. Whether the point is blunt or nuanced, I just wanted to make it clear that it's not a matter of getting used to it, or even what is more or less pleasing. For me and others it is downright unwatchable and all I want to say is that that won't likely won't change with more exposure.

I'm not sure if I can be quite as generous as some other members and applaud Ang Lee for trying something different, but there's no doubt that he's free to make the movies he wants to make. It's cool that he's following his passion and that some people like what he's doing. But I also hope that this experiment fails and we don't see other directors going this route.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by notops

Nope. Again you assume. I gave HFR several chances (every Hobbit movie twice and Gemini Man). I dislike the 'video' look of those films, a look that I am quite familiar with.

The distracting element went away with my second viewing of An Unexpected Journey. With each subsequent HFR viewing I realized that I simply did not like the different visual aesthetic of 48, then 120fps. I was plenty "used to it", I simply dislike it.

You name a couple of titles, out of hundreds upon hundreds of movies you've seen, all of which have been 24fps until very recently, and somehow you don't think it has anything to do with you not being used to it?

You've been taught that 24fps is cinematic from an early age, simply because that's how films have been presented to you for most of your life, and now you refuse to, or simply cannot, adjust to HFR. This applies to everyone who dislikes HFR in cinema.

It is what it is.

[notops]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

You name a couple of titles, out of hundreds upon hundreds of movies you've seen, all of which have been 24fps until very recently, and somehow you don't think it has anything to do with you not being used to it?

You've been taught that 24fps is cinematic from an early age, simply because that's how films have been presented to you for most of your life, and now you refuse to, or simply cannot, adjust to HFR.

It is what it is.

Sorry to poke holes in your little theory, but you're wrong. I don't like the look of that frame rate. Same as how I don't like the look of TV shows done in 30fps, yet enjoy the look of shows produced in 24. Goes all the way back to my childhood. I hated the look of Family Ties (30fps), but liked the look of Cheers (24fps).

It is what it is.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by notops

Sorry to poke holes in your little theory, but you're wrong. I don't like the look of that frame rate. Same as how I don't like the look of TV shows done in 30fps, yet enjoy the look of shows produced in 24. Goes all the way back to my childhood. I hated the look of Family Ties (30fps), but liked the look of Cheers (24fps).

It is what it is.

You haven't poked holes in anything. All you've done here is support literally everything I said.

You've liked 24fps since you were a child because that's how movies/shows were presented to you, and that is what you are used to.

If you were around a century ago, you probably would have preferred 16-18fps over 24fps. Silent films at the time were shot in 16-18fps.

By the way, 24fps was settled upon because it was the lowest frame rate that could deliver comprehensible sound. The decision was simply based on audio considerations and money. Had literally nothing to do with 24fps being more "cinematic" than any other frame rate.

[notops]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

You haven't poked holes in anything. All you've done here is support literally everything I said.

You've liked 24fps since you were a child because that's how movies/shows were presented to you, and that is what you are used to.

If you were around a century ago, you probably would have preferred 16-18fps over 24fps. Silent films at the time were shot in 16-18fps.

By the way, 24fps was settled upon because it was the lowest frame rate that could deliver comprehensible sound. The decision was simply based on audio considerations and money. Had literally nothing to do with 24fps being more "cinematic" than any other frame rate.

Again, you're pulling things out of thin air. In my childhood, I was watching far more TV than I was movies. It had nothing to do with how movies were presented to me. I've "literally proven" nothing you said.

Please do me the courtesy of answering the one I've asked twice and you've yet to answer:

Do you think the many, many people who dislike the look of 3D do so just because they aren't used to it?

[jrcorwin3]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

But you just trashed Gemini Man for the way it was filmed.

It looks incredibly bad while in motion. Every single HFR release to date has looked bad while in motion. If they can find a way to deliver the obvious benefits of HFR while also avoiding the very obvious drawbacks...I’m all for it. So far, they haven’t been able to.

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

You name a couple of titles, out of hundreds upon hundreds of movies you've seen, all of which have been 24fps until very recently, and somehow you don't think it has anything to do with you not being used to it?

You've been taught that 24fps is cinematic from an early age, simply because that's how films have been presented to you for most of your life, and now you refuse to, or simply cannot, adjust to HFR. This applies to everyone who dislikes HFR in cinema.

It is what it is.

No one needs to adjust to it because it isn't going to become the norm. The end.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Ang Lee is probably the most prolific dumpster arsonist working in film today. He's basically Uwe Boll with way more money.

uhhhh errrr *ahem* Apparently you have never seen Demetri Martin in Taking Woodstock.

[tyee]

What's the framerate of the world through our eyes?

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by tyee

What's the framerate of the world through our eyes?

Irrelevant. Life is not a movie nor should the comparison be made.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by notops

Again, you're pulling things out of thin air. In my childhood, I was watching far more TV than I was movies. It had nothing to do with how movies were presented to me. I've "literally proven" nothing you said.

Please do me the courtesy of answering the one I've asked twice and you've yet to answer:

Do you think the many, many people who dislike the look of 3D do so just because they aren't used to it?

3D has been used in cinema since, what, the 1920s? So no, that isn't why people don't like it.

[BrownianMotion]

To the anti-HFR crowd - what's the acceptable range of frame rate for you, and why? Is it 20-24? 24-27? 22-26? Just 24?

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

To the anti-HFR crowd - what's the acceptable range of frame rate for you, and why? Is it 20-24? 24-27? 22-26? Just 24?

Do you even enjoy movies? The way you are so about HFR suggests you have never liked how movies looked with 24, so what exactly are you hoping to gain?

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by kannibaliztik

Do you even enjoy.movies? The way you are so about HFR suggests you have never liked how movies looked with 24, so what exactly are you hoping to gain?

I love movies. I also respect the director's intent. I'm not married to a specific frame rate.

[notops]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

3D has been used in cinema since, what, the 1920s? So no, that isn't why people don't like it.

So it must come down to personal preference, then. Exactly my reason for thinking HFR is a stinker of a format.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by notops

So then it must come down to personal preference, then. Exactly my reason for thinking HFR is a stinker of a format.

If every single movie from when you were a child were shown in HFR, you'd prefer HFR.

Which frame rates do you prefer? Only 24? Or is there a range that you find acceptable?

[notops]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

If every single movie from when you were a child were shown in HFR, you'd prefer HFR.

Which frame rates do you prefer? Only 24? Or is there a range that you find acceptable?

But they weren't. Since I have had the chance to see and evaluate both (and as soon as Jackson announced he was shooting The Hobbit that way, I was quite excited for a new format), I have made my choice.

[Noremac Mij]

Saw an HFR demo of this the other day. If people think this looks good, then cinema is truly dead.

[bradnoyes]

It's safe to say that if every single movie in history was shot in HFR I would not be in this forum discussing movies right now.