Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[vincentric]

Blind bought it. Enjoyed the cinematography as well as most if not all of the performances by the cast (Smith, Winstead, and Owen in particular were all great in their roles to me). Action scenes were well choreographed, exciting to watch and held my interest throughout. The story and writing aren't anything exceptional but got the job done. Overall thought this was a fantastic movie, it doesn't do anything better or worse than what has come before it but sometimes I don't mind more of the same as long as it's done well. Gemini Man, sort of like yummy comfort food, in that sense delivered in spades.

As for the PQ -- first and foremost am a 24fps and grain loving guy but am also overall very format agnostic; love 3D, crispy clean digital, and find myself enjoying native HFR titles as well (previously enjoyed Billy Lynn and a couple of nature docs via German UHD imports for Namibia and Planet 4K) -- Gemini Man looked fantastic to me in 60 fps. I couldn't spot any major anomalies as well with compression and near black while watching on the C6, I did perhaps see some slight banding in a few of the night time skies but nothing major at all. This is a reference disc as far as PQ is concerned it looks really good to me.

It's too bad this lost so much money at the box office and was panned overall by critics, to me it deserved better, imo. I want to watch it again this weekend with my family with the volume turned up to reference to get a better sense of the audio quality.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by Rnjordan2000

The ending was good but the de-aging cringey bad there.

Yeah, this is the only part of the film where Junior looked WAY OFF. Reshoots? Late addition?

[levcore]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Blind bought it. Enjoyed the cinematography as well as most if not all of the performances by the cast (Smith, Winstead, and Owen in particular were all great in their roles to me). Action scenes were well choreographed, exciting to watch and held my interest throughout. The story and writing aren't anything exceptional but got the job done. Overall thought this was a fantastic movie, it doesn't do anything better or worse than what has come before it but sometimes I don't mind more of the same as long as it's done well. Gemini Man, sort of like yummy comfort food, in that sense delivered in spades.

As for the PQ -- first and foremost am a 24fps and grain loving guy but am also overall very format agnostic; love 3D, crispy clean digital, and find myself enjoying native HFR titles as well (previously enjoyed Billy Lynn and a couple of nature docs via German UHD imports for Namibia and Planet 4K) -- Gemini Man looked fantastic to me in 60 fps. I couldn't spot any major anomalies as well with compression and near black while watching on the C6, I did perhaps see some slight banding in a few of the night time skies but nothing major at all. This is a reference disc as far as PQ is concerned it looks really good to me.

It's too bad this lost so much money at the box office and was panned overall by critics, to me it deserved better, imo. I want to watch it again this weekend with my family with the volume turned up to reference to get a better sense of the audio quality.

Will you pick up the 3D disc as well (being released in several countries, Germany being one of them).

[vincentric]

Yeah, wil lfor sure get the 3d for it eventually. Initially wanted to get the German 4K + 3D combo but got impatient and decided to go for the domestic standalone UHD. Now have the DE 3D standalone on my wishlist but may wait for a slight price drop before getting it.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Yeah, wil lfor sure get the 3d for it eventually. Initially wanted to get the German 4K + 3D combo but got impatient and decided to go for the domestic standalone UHD. Now have the DE 3D standalone on my wishlist but may wait for a slight price drop before getting it.

That German 4K/3D combo was/ is so expensive. I've got the 3D on pre order and i'll buy the UK 4K disc when we get it here.

[Lysander91]

I only picked this up to experience the "new" technology. I went in expecting a dumpster fire, but the film was surprisingly passable. It's a decent way to spend two hours of you're in the mood for a popcorn action flick, which I certainly was after watching several hard hitting films in a row. There are some decent set pieces and the premise isn't terrible. You have to suspend some disbelief since they could have drone striked old Will Smith since he was being tracked. I guess the bad guy was "crazy" and needed Junior to pass a test by killing old Will Smith though. I think the movie would have been better if they skipped the electronic tracker. Then Clive Owen's character would have needed Junior because he could track Henry since Junior is the top agent and he'd know how Henry thinks. Then the filmmakers could put Henry in foreign locations where the United States can't just drone strike willy-nilly or send in a strike team and the plot of needing Junior to track and kill Henry suddenly makes a lot more sense. You'd also have a much more intersting cat and mouse thriller aspect. Instead of getting a great plot we get a fine for what it is plot. What really holds this film back is the poorly written dialogue and unnecessary exposition though.

Onto the tech side, the PQ is great. Everything is crisp and colors really pop. This is possibly a top 10 disk. I think that the HFR enhances some action scenes like the bike chase (possibly the highlight of the film) but it also made some of the effects work look a little more unrealistic. Overall, I think it did add to the film though. Panning shoots and fast camera movement looked gorgeous when at 24 fps you'd normally get a blurry and juddery image. Based on this presentation I think there's certainly a place for HFR in the movie industry especially since filmmakers will only get better as they become more experienced with the technology. My only nitpick with the PQ is that there were a few times when I thought the highlights from light sources could have popped a bit more.

The audio seemed good, but I only have a 5.1 setup. Channel separation was good and dialogue was clear. It maybe didn't give my system quite the workout I would hope for during some of the action sequences though.

Overall I'd give it a recommendation if you're in the mood for a dumb action movie and you enjoy a movie for having good PQ. If you don't like dumb action movies and you don't care much about the HFR or great PQ then stay far away.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Yeah, this is the only part of the film where Junior looked WAY OFF. Reshoots? Late addition?

Had to be. It was an alright ending, but it felt like a test audience induced ending. Probably late in the game. The movie's only fault, for me.

[levcore]

That ending scene is on youtube if anyone wants to see how off it looks

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wes_k089

I had the same 1080p/60p playback issue.

My panny goes through my reciever, then to my TV.

So I dug into the settings on my Panny and ended up switching the setting "4K60P Output" from "Off" to "4K/60p(4:4:4)" and that solved it for me. The film was playing in 3840x2160/60p at 12 bit color depth, with Atmos.

I left the "24p Output" setting on auto. I checked and even with the "4K60P" setting changed, 24p content was still outputted at 24p, and 60p content is outputted 60p. Best of both worlds

Why did you switch it off to begin with? It's not there to force 4K60 on everything, it just decides how best to output actual 4K60 signals to the TV because some older 4K hardware can't handle 4K60 above 8-bit 4:2:0.

[Wes_k089]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Why did you switch it off to begin with? It's not there to force 4K60 on everything, it just decides how best to output actual 4K60 signals to the TV because some older 4K hardware can't handle 4K60 above 8-bit 4:2:0.

I'd never needed 4K/60p playback before and it never interfered with 24p, so I left it off because it was irrelevant.

[Geoff D]

So you never played any legacy 60i content on it, like at all? And don't use the streaming apps either (which Panasonic players output at 60 rather than 24)? Huh.

[TravisPNW]

Originally Posted by BerryTheMusicMan

Picture of the color problems .

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

At a guess, your display can't handle Dolby Vision at 60fps. I've seen a similar thing with 60fps DV demos.

Turn DV off and try again.

I had the exact same issue and couldn't figure out how to turn off DV on my 2017 OLED so I ended up watching the 1080p disc which looked amazing too.

I saw clips of the 60fps without the color distortion... it kept going in and out and what I saw looked 3Dish in a way like the characters were going to jump out of the TV.

Once I figure out how to turn off DV I'll probably go back and have another look...

[Geoff D]

Is there no DV on/off toggle in the player? I don't do LG spinners so I wouldn't know. BUT if your player's HDMI video output is routed thru the soundbar then it might be worth connecting the player to the TV directly.

[TravisPNW]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Is there no DV on/off toggle in the player? I don't do LG spinners so I wouldn't know. BUT if your player's HDMI video output is routed thru the soundbar then it might be worth connecting the player to the TV directly.

I didn't see any options in the LG player to disable it. It was a pretty generic settings interface.

Yes the player runs thru the soundbar and then into the TV. I may go with the direct connection and see if that solves the problem.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Ok, so holy shit moment. In one of my prior post, I forgot to compare this type of cinematography to when Michael Mann began shooting in his style of digital, which also seems to be an acquired taste for people--and again, it works for me. But I did not know that Beebe was the DOP for 'Collateral', which is probably my favorite Mann film.

This dude just might be the king of the digital format.

I do love the way you think, that a DP is either the greatest exponent of the art walking the planet today or is a hack who doesn't know one end of the camera from the other.

Speaking of Beebe though it's interesting that he mentions his experience on Collateral in the AC article for Gemini Man. Not that it informed what he did but that he felt much the same way, that Collateral was his first digital feature and he was having to almost re-learn his craft in the process, so working in 120fps 3D gave him a similar vibe of starting anew.

[Wes_k089]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So you never played any legacy 60i content on it, like at all? And don't use the streaming apps either (which Panasonic players output at 60 rather than 24)? Huh.

I'm 21 so I dont own any legacy content lol

And I only every stream from roku, not the apps within the panny

[brainofj72]

Watched this last night. To put it bluntly: this disc is must-own tech if you care about home theater. What an amazing experience.

HFR is almost like a whole new visual medium. I really hope other filmmakers begin experimenting with it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wes_k089

I'm 21 so I dont own any legacy content lol

And I only every stream from roku, not the apps within the panny

Heh, fair enough. You kids today, grumble grumble harrumph

[Juan127]

Originally Posted by TravisPNW

I didn't see any options in the LG player to disable it. It was a pretty generic settings interface.

Yes the player runs thru the soundbar and then into the TV. I may go with the direct connection and see if that solves the problem.

keep us posted if that worked

[FubarFrenzy]

Dumb question, but asking. I'm guessing if my UHD player doesn't support DV, then I shouldn't have an issue. HDR only.