Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[bytor]

I would bet money most of these issues are because of the HDMI cable. Anything over 6 foot probably needs to be an active cable to get full bandwidth unless you just get lucky with a perfect cable.

[JNatoli01]

I am running a 50ft cable, it was a very expensive cable at that, I have had no issues with DV or Audio on my living room setup with an Atmos surround bar system.

[bytor]

Originally Posted by JNatoli01

I am running a 50ft cable, it was a very expensive cable at that, I have had no issues with DV or Audio on my living room setup with an Atmos surround bar system.

Yeah I also have a 50 foot cable with no issues but that's because it is an active cable. What I'm saying is people who ARE having issues that think it's not the cable don't realize that just because they can play normal 4K discs fine, that doesn't mean anything when it comes to this disc.

A 24p 4K disc isn't even close to using the full 18gbps bandwidth so even a crappy HDMI cable will generally work. With a 4k/60 fps disc it will be using the full bandwidth of the cable so that is when problems with it will arise.

[Rnjordan2000]

I’m not sure if this is mentioned before but I have the 4k version but when playing on my LG OLED tv it only outputs to 1080/60 fps DV. Is This normal and how can I fix this to watch in 4K/60 FPS?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bytor

Yeah I also have a 50 foot cable with no issues but that's because it is an active cable. What I'm saying is people who ARE having issues that think it's not the cable don't realize that just because they can play normal 4K discs fine, that doesn't mean anything when it comes to this disc.

A 24p 4K disc isn't even close to using the full 18gbps bandwidth so even a crappy HDMI cable will generally work. With a 4k/60 fps disc it will be using the full bandwidth of the cable so that is when problems with it will arise.

That's a good point. If 4K60 is being piped over the cable @ 10-bit 4:2:0 then it wouldn't come close to the ~18 Gb/s bandwidth, but as DV is delivered as 12-bit 4:2:2 once decoded then that nudges right up against the bandwidth limit (indeed, it's why 4K60 12-bit 4:4:4 transmission isn't part of the HDMI 2.0 spec at all because it would exceed 18 Gb/s).

Originally Posted by Rnjordan2000

I’m not sure if this is mentioned before but I have the 4k version but when playing on my LG OLED tv it only outputs to 1080/60 fps DV. Is This normal and how can I fix this to watch in 4K/60 FPS?

Which model OLED is it? Turn off DV in the player. (Also see what happens if you bypass the AVR and connect the HDMI from the player directly to the TV, should you have it wired into the AVR first.) Then you should get 4K60, albeit in HDR10.

[bytor]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a good point. If 4K60 is being piped over the cable @ 10-bit 4:2:0 then it wouldn't come close to the ~18 Gb/s bandwidth, but as DV is delivered as 12-bit 4:2:2 once decoded then that nudges right up against the bandwidth limit (indeed, it's why 4K60 12-bit 4:4:4 transmission isn't part of the HDMI 2.0 spec at all because it would exceed 18 Gb/s).

Ah yeah I should have specified it's the DV that brings it to the limit. So being able to play Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk in 4K60 HDR10 doesn't necessarily mean that same cable will be able to handle Gemini Man in 4K60 DV.

[Geoff D]

To go back to the discussions earlier in the thread about what happens to what if the TV/signal chain can't handle 4K60 DV, I was right that the frame rate would be preserved but wrong that it would default to 4K60 HDR10.

It looks like DV playback is still the default output mode if the disc detects that all elements in the chain are DV compatible but it can't do 4K60 DV, so instead of reverting to the HDR10 base layer it runs the DV in the next lowest compatible resolution instead e.g. 1080p60.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bytor

Ah yeah I should have specified it's the DV that brings it to the limit. So being able to play Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk in 4K60 HDR10 doesn't necessarily mean that same cable will be able to handle Gemini Man in 4K60 DV.

Correct. BUT if someone set their player to Auto for things like bit depth and colour space then it may well have output Billy Lynn's at 4K60 12-bit 4:2:2 anyway, my OPPO did last night when playing the aforementioned UHD into the ZD9 and it was utterly glitch-free.

[sonicyogurt]

I ordered a new cable as a test, in case the two I tried weren’t adequate.

[Rnjordan2000]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a good point. If 4K60 is being piped over the cable @ 10-bit 4:2:0 then it wouldn't come close to the ~18 Gb/s bandwidth, but as DV is delivered as 12-bit 4:2:2 once decoded then that nudges right up against the bandwidth limit (indeed, it's why 4K60 12-bit 4:4:4 transmission isn't part of the HDMI 2.0 spec at all because it would exceed 18 Gb/s).


Which model OLED is it? Turn off DV in the player. (Also see what happens if you bypass the AVR and connect the HDMI from the player directly to the TV, should you have it wired into the AVR first.) Then you should get 4K60, albeit in HDR10.

Connecting the HDMI directly to the tv instead of connecting to AVR actually worked. Thanks.

[jFug]

Hot damn. The Dolby Vision in this movie is orgasmic.

I especially liked the night time scenes in Budapest and the action sequences in Cartagena.

[Juan127]

Didnt work on my lg bluray player so had to watch it on xb1x...hopefully the dv version isnt that much better than the hdr version..but oh mannn this disc looks good......amazing experience i must say. Jaw dropping good!

[slask]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

I saw it in 120fps/3D.
...
It was supposed to be one of the 4K screenings.

I'm truly curious, how did all that stuff look?

[TheSweetieMan]

I just finished watching the disc in its entirety.

Happy to report the second hour of the disc is just as strong as the first hour encoding wise.

But not only that, the second hour is filled with some visually spectacular set pieces, which for the most part, show that blockbuster/VFX-heavy action sequences can be conveyed very well through HFR. The catacombs sequence in Budapest is really, really impressive.

Also, the final act where Ninja Junior comes into play has some really jaw-dropping HDR sprinkled in, with some really cool looking slow-motion shots that play really well in HFR.

I also ended up enjoying this film quite a lot. Even the cheesy ending. Usually films of this type, that deal with clones, almost always end in some ambiguous or even somber note. It was nice to get something

[Show spoiler]a little more uplifting. To try and not be too spoilerific.

And I can't stress it enough how good Dion Beebe's photography is in this film. I hope he does something like this again. Whether it's reuniting with Lee or not. Beebe shows he has a very good handle on how to make this format work, IMO.

[TheSweetieMan]

Ok, so holy shit moment. In one of my prior post, I forgot to compare this type of cinematography to when Michael Mann began shooting in his style of digital, which also seems to be an acquired taste for people--and again, it works for me. But I did not know that Beebe was the DOP for 'Collateral', which is probably my favorite Mann film.

This dude just might be the king of the digital format.

[CreasyBear]

Was totally surprised at how great this was! Probably my favorite action film of last year, in fact.

[jFug]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I just finished watching the disc in its entirety.

Happy to report the second hour of the disc is just as strong as the first hour encoding wise.

But not only that, the second hour is filled with some visually spectacular set pieces, which for the most part, show that blockbuster/VFX-heavy action sequences can be conveyed very well through HFR. The catacombs sequence in Budapest is really, really impressive.

Also, the final act where Ninja Junior comes into play has some really jaw-dropping HDR sprinkled in, with some really cool looking slow-motion shots that play really well in HFR.

I also ended up enjoying this film quite a lot. Even the cheesy ending. Usually films of this type, that deal with clones, almost always end in some ambiguous or even somber note. It was nice to get something

[Show spoiler]a little more uplifting. To try and not be too spoilerific.

And I can't stress it enough how good Dion Beebe's photography is in this film. I hope he does something like this again. Whether it's reuniting with Lee or not. Beebe shows he has a very good handle on how to make this format work, IMO.

That ending made me smile. Very good movie and I'm glad I got it.

[Wes_k089]

I had the same 1080p/60p playback issue.

My panny goes through my reciever, then to my TV.

So I dug into the settings on my Panny and ended up switching the setting "4K60P Output" from "Off" to "4K/60p(4:4:4)" and that solved it for me. The film was playing in 3840x2160/60p at 12 bit color depth, with Atmos.

I left the "24p Output" setting on auto. I checked and even with the "4K60P" setting changed, 24p content was still outputted at 24p, and 60p content is outputted 60p. Best of both worlds

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Juan127

Didnt work on my lg bluray player so had to watch it on xb1x...hopefully the dv version isnt that much better than the hdr version..but oh mannn this disc looks good......amazing experience i must say. Jaw dropping good!

that has me worried, to purchase the disc tomorrow or not. To unhook the LG player and hook up my Sony player to the receiver/TV is a major hassle.

[Rnjordan2000]

Originally Posted by jFug

That ending made me smile. Very good movie and I'm glad I got it.

The ending was good but the de-aging cringey bad there.