Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

With all due respect, nonsense. The sharpening filter isn't adding all those chroma details are are just gone on the TT version with everything swathed in blue. You'd have a point perhaps if we were comparing a B&W film, this this is supposed to be a colour film.

The fact you have to doctor a 4K scan to even approach the same level of detail as an old scan from 1998 is just so damning of this 4K transfer you're arguing is still better. Yes, the blue can be lessened and the lighter scenes nearer the beginning look great but in the darkest regraded scenes you've still lost lots of darker area details and most of the original colour.

No one is suggesting the Umbrella Blu-ray uses a fantastic master. The real argument should be both masters are crap, just one less so as at least it represents the film as it should look and doesn't come off bad in the detail stakes either.

It seems pretty clear to me that when the blue filter is removed, the print is superior to the Umbrella one. Take away the sharpening from the Umbrella disc and the difference is even more apparent. I'm sorry you can't see that.

Perhaps it someone could do a screenshot comparison between the edited TT disc, and the Umbrella disc we can see it me clearly.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It seems pretty clear to me that when the blue filter is removed, the print is superior to the Umbrella one. Take away the sharpening from the Umbrella disc and the difference is even more apparent. I'm sorry you can't see that.

Perhaps it someone could do a screenshot comparison between the edited TT disc, and the Umbrella disc we can see it me clearly.

Damned right I can't see it.

Fix this one if you please?

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x=...3&l=0&i=2&go=1

So, is that detail still there to be restored on the blue master? Or is the sharpening filter inventing tree branches? That's one clever filter.

Basically, gotcha.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Damned right I can't see it.

Fix this one if you please?

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x=...3&l=0&i=2&go=1

So, is that detail still there to be restored on the blue master? Or is the sharpening filter inventing tree branches? That's one clever filter.

Basically, gotcha.

The sharpening is even worse than I thought. But sure, if you want to say the Umbrella disc has more detail because you can see more branches when you zoom in at 200%, then I won't stop you.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

The sharpening is even worse than I thought. But sure, if you want to say the Umbrella disc has more detail because you can see more branches when you zoom in at 200%, then I won't stop you.

Well, yes I do want to say because it's fact. Facts that I can see with my own eyes. I don't have to zoom in to 200% either to see it. That was for your benefit as you seem to be struggling with your eyesight.

Yes, the Umbrella disc uses a master that's full of stuff like sharpening filters. I agree, that's a lot of sharpening going on. But you're so insistent the radical regrade on the TT master hasn't removed detail you're blind to the fact it has. Bizarre.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Well, yes I do want to say because it's fact. Facts that I can see with my own eyes.

Yes, the Umbrella disc uses a master that's full of stuff like sharpening filters. I agree, that's a lot of sharpening going on. But you're so insistent the radical regrade on the TT master hasn't removed detail you're blind to the fact it has. Bizarre.

Where did I say that? The TT disc went through a "restoration" process, it wasn't just some blue filter added. It's entirely possible that during that time, details of random shots when looked at at 200% could have been erased, especially when combined with the contrast/colors they screwed around with. There's also the fact that some details at 200% level aren't even meant to be seen. There's also the fact that over-sharpening something has time and time again brought out said details that filmmakers never intended.

Given the choice between a non-filtered TT disc, and the Umbrella disc, I'd definitely choose the former. But then again, I'm not watching the film at 200%, ogling over missing branches.

[oddbox83]

I've said my piece. I don't feel the need to say more.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Where did I say that? The TT disc went through a "restoration" process, it wasn't just some blue filter added. It's entirely possible that during that time, details of random shots when looked at at 200% could have been erased, especially when combined with the contrast/colors they screwed around with. There's also the fact that some details at 200% level aren't even meant to be seen. There's also the fact that over-sharpening something has time and time again brought out said details that filmmakers never intended.

Given the choice between a non-filtered TT disc, and the Umbrella disc, I'd definitely choose the former. But then again, I'm not watching the film at 200%, ogling over missing branches.

They screwed with everything on the TT disc, its a mess always was.
I bet you can get the umbrella master to look like the TT in post

[Bumblefeet]

Looking at both the TT and Umbrella screenshots, even aside from the colour difference, both transfers appear flawed when it comes to detail; the Umbrella clearly suffers from edge enhancement/sharpening issues that you'd expect from a master from that period, whereas the TT suffers from blown out contrast and loss of detail smudgy look I suspect due to the filters applied to give it the nighttime "blue look".

The ideal solution would be a new 4K scan of the original untampered print. Sadly I suspect due to the cost and risk involved that wont happen so the Umbrella will have to do.

Or someone needs to remake Savini's Night of the Living Dead.

[HD Goofnut]

I wonder if the Umbrella disc uses the source as the US DVD.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I wonder if the Umbrella disc uses the source as the US DVD.

Maybe, its the HDTV master I bet I remember the DVD being darker

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I wonder if the Umbrella disc uses the source as the US DVD.

It does, the exact same source.

[JackKnightStarman]

Received my copy today. Love it. No blue, almost as originally intended. Win, win. Until a non blue domestic release here, this is my version. So happy...

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[StingingVelvet]

Watched this last night. It definitely has some sharpening issues but it wasn't incredibly noticeable for me. The "scanner noise" was though, and was very distracting. I'm not sure what it actually is, it seems almost like fake grain that stands still. I remember another film having a similar issues, maybe one of the Star Treks, but I can't think of what movie at the moment. It also seems maybe slightly color boosted, though that could just be the movie. Someone said it looks like an early Universal catalog release and I don't think it looks THAT processed, but he's in the ballpark.

Despite these issues I would take it over the Twilight Time release in a heartbeat.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Tybo28

Unfortunately, the extras on the 68' disc will not play for me. Not sure why, but I'm not region free. Kinda sad about that one, but happy with the remake disc.

They're probably in PAL, most American TVs don't support PAL. A region-free player would convert it. That's a shame for you region-locked guys too, since it seems to have an exclusive feature-length documentary.

[10aflyViper]

Got my order from jbhifi today in Texas! Ordered 4/5.


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[Davidian]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

They're probably in PAL, most American TVs don't support PAL. A region-free player would convert it. That's a shame for you region-locked guys too, since it seems to have an exclusive feature-length documentary.

I posted this warning once in this thread and twice in the official thread for the Umbrella disc, complete with full BDinfo scan. Everything but the movie is 50Hz.

I don't know what more I can do

[Hedji]

With scanner noise and sharpening and dirt/scratches, is this that much of an improvement over the old DVD?

[travisbickle]

Originally Posted by Hedji

With scanner noise and sharpening and dirt/scratches, is this that much of an improvement over the old DVD?

Yes.

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=7864&d2=7866

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

My computer can play it.

So can mine.

[Irrob]

The Savini commentary is so good. I'm not 10 minutes into it and he revealed a ton of secrets.