LG's new OLED TVs

[punisher]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

As we can see active 3D is dying very quickly and there is no need for them with 4K and they usually are more prone to crosstalk than passive sets. http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/3d-tv...-vs-passive-3d

The Force Awakens 3D release is creating quite a bit excitement. I'll wait for someone selling the disc by itself here on the forum.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I have all of those. I just watched Jurrasic World, loved it. Didn't notice any crosstalk at all. Give me the timestamps on when these issues occur and I will check for them. I am wondering if it is not your settings causing the issue. Also you are looking straight on the television right. Watching at an angle above or below it will make the crosstalk very noticeable. Simply stand up from your seat while watching a film and you will notice this.

I am perfectly centered and middle of screen is at eye level. One of the worst cases of crosstalk was when she first goes ask for his help at his trailer. When they are talking and he is standing on the steps a few feet higher than her I can see crosstalk galore around his hair/head

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[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by punisher

The Force Awakens 3D release is creating quite a bit excitement. I'll wait for someone selling the disc by itself here on the forum.

Just to be clear I stated Active 3D. I love 3D don't get me wrong, but now owning a passive set I believe they have massive advantages. I don't see 3D dying overall as there are way too many releases in the theaters.

4K is definitely taking a bite out of the 3D market especially since over half of them are 3D releases as well. I am hoping they just start releasing 3D and 4K in the same package and they studios will make more money as these 2 nitch markets are fairly well entwined.

[vinnie97]

Yea, active 3D on the ZT60 with the heavy glasses and dim screen just didn't provide for that memorable of an experience. 3D on the 4K OLEDs is in another league, but that doesn't mean you won't run into panels with misapplied filters unfortunately.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I am perfectly centered and middle of screen is at eye level. One of the worst cases of crosstalk was when she first goes ask for his help at his trailer. When they are talking and he is standing on the steps a few feet higher than her I can see crosstalk galore around his hair/head

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Have you checked with one of the 3D crosstalk test like the on youtube / rabbit / the Spears & Munsil 3D BD, etc? To check if your set is doing it right?
There's always some crosstalk with white as polarizers don't block 100% of the light. But you should check if your panel is normal, 3D crosstalk should be one of the first things to check.



And maybe I'll get Agent Carter soon. Just for you.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I am perfectly centered and middle of screen is at eye level. One of the worst cases of crosstalk was when she first goes ask for his help at his trailer. When they are talking and he is standing on the steps a few feet higher than her I can see crosstalk galore around his hair/head

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I just watched the scene and I am not seeing that at all. I also quickly ran through all the tv modes. It isn't there in any of them and set dejudder to 4 as you do just to check. On my set it is not there. Can you exchange it still?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I just watched the scene and I am not seeing that at all. I also quickly ran through all the tv modes. It isn't there in any of them and set dejudder to 4 as you do just to check. On my set it is not there. Can you exchange it still?

Too late to return it by now. I used 3D from the beginning but I dont recall encountering so many instances of crosstalk as I did in the past few days.
How do you have the 3D settings? Manual or Auto? There are some things in the 3D settings that can be adjusted.
i havent had the chance to run the YouTube crosstalk test with the rabbit. From what I understand, with this test in theory you shouldnt be able to see the rabbit but on Oled panels you will still see it

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

And maybe I'll get Agent Carter soon. Just for you.

LOL...
By the way, with my previous Oled 9100 I never had any crosstalk issues when watching 3D content, but I was using the glasses that came with it, which I sold along with the 9100. I am now using the glasses that came with the C6 which are not the same brand (and came in plain plastic bags with no box and no brand name listed)...Not sure if maybe the culprit might be the different glasses that I am now using?

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Too late to return it by now. I used 3D from the beginning but I dont recall encountering so many instances of crosstalk as I did in the past few days.

Well I don't think the polarizer just fell off or suddenly faded in the last few days. Unless you left the TV out in the Miami sunlight for a week

I didn't change the 3D settings.


The "rabbit" tests is basically a full white frame (with a rabbit outline) for one eye and black for the other to see how much white leaks (is not cancelled) through the polarization (TV's + glasses'). Perfect infinite polarization cancellation would not let pass light but that doesn't happen and some light leaks. The test is supposed to be a worst case (one eye totally opposite the other, when that's not a real image scenario), like when using test image patterns to check performance. Helps to find the best sweet spot for sitting.(Most cancellation)

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well I don't think the polarizer just fell off or suddenly faded in the last few days. Unless you left the TV out in the Miami sunlight for a week

I didn't change the 3D settings.


The "rabbit" tests is basically a full white frame (with a rabbit outline) for one eye and black for the other to see how much white leaks (is not cancelled) through the polarization (TV's + glasses'). Perfect infinite polarization cancellation would not let pass light but that doesn't happen and some light leaks. The test is supposed to be a worst case (one eye totally opposite the other, when that's not a real image scenario), like when using test image patterns to check performance. Helps to find the best sweet spot for sitting.(Most cancellation)

Weather today 90-91...But I keep my home theater room always at 65 to 70
So is there 0 probability that the culprit could be the glasses?
What frustrates me is that on my more "primitive" Oled 9100 3D was flawless. The 2016 Oled 3D panels are supposed to deliver the best 3D to date and yet all the background details (or foreground details at times) look blurry

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Too late to return it by now. I used 3D from the beginning but I dont recall encountering so many instances of crosstalk as I did in the past few days.
How do you have the 3D settings? Manual or Auto? There are some things in the 3D settings that can be adjusted.
i havent had the chance to run the YouTube crosstalk test with the rabbit. From what I understand, with this test in theory you shouldnt be able to see the rabbit but on Oled panels you will still see it

I don't use auto. I prefer manual with a depth of 8. You are having issues with recent titles and usually the separation is far more subtle. Crosstalk is usually unavoidable on older titles from the 50's through 80's, but usually only noticeable with a bright white image on a black image.

I would suggest going into the manual settings just to see if you can get rid of the crosstalk issues you talked about. Worth a try.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I don't use auto. I prefer manual with a depth of 8. You are having issues with recent titles and usually the separation is far more subtle. Crosstalk is usually unavoidable on older titles from the 50's through 80's, but usually only noticeable with a bright white image on a black image.

I would suggest going into the manual settings just to see if you can get rid of the crosstalk issues you talked about. Worth a try.

If I select Manual I see two different settings (kind of like de-blur and de-judder in TruMotion), what level should I select for each?

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

If I select Manual I see two different settings (kind of like de-blur and de-judder in TruMotion), what level should I select for each?

No go to 3D settings, they are 3D depth and 3D viewpoint. Actually for 3D disc they are virtually interchangeable. With the glasses on shift the image to get rid of the crosstalk.

Example in OZ:TGAP Chap. 41 I can clearly see crosstalk as the fireworks go into the sky before they explode if depth is set from 1-7, from 8-10 it is gone. If viewpoint is set from -10 to -3 crosstalk is there. If viewpoint is set from -2 to 0 it is gone. Simply put play with the controls to try and get rid of it.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

No go to 3D settings, they are 3D depth and 3D viewpoint. Actually for 3D disc they are virtually interchangeable.

What levels to select for 3D depth and 3D viewpoint?
I am not home right now but if I recall, default setting for 3D viewpoint at least was 0

[PRO-630HD]

You will have to watch and figure that out when viewing to get rid of the crosstalk.

Defaults are 10 for depth and 0 for viewpoint.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

You will have to watch and figure that out when viewing to get rid of the crosstalk.

Defaults are 10 for depth and 0 for viewpoint.

How did you set those? Or does it vary from panel to panel?

[PRO-630HD]

Those are the default settings. Auto is just a smidge off these. Take the glasses off to look at the separation in the image. Auto is simply midpoint settings.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So is there 0 probability that the culprit could be the glasses?
What frustrates me is that on my more "primitive" Oled 9100 3D was flawless. The 2016 Oled 3D panels are supposed to deliver the best 3D to date and yet all the background details (or foreground details at times) look blurry

Well they do on the units I've seen. So you should check your unit and not make generalizations.

And, since glasses are cheap you could try others. But .you. should. test/check . your . TV . since somehow . you're. the . only . person, that's. having . multiple threads . and posts . about . how . much . your .OLED. posterizes. changes gamut . and 3D sucks.


Also: Another thing is:

In 3-D let's say you have 3 planes: near , screen position, and far. So if you have a pitchfork on front of the screen, a person on the screen and the moon far behind in the sky behind the screen, if your eyes converge on the pitchfork the person will be a little separated (and double) and the moon will definitively look double, viceversa if you eyes converge on the moon , the person will be slightly double and the pitchfork will be doubled in the front. Till your eyes converge back on it. That's how 3-D viewing works in real life . Just put your finger to your nose and look at the wall you'll see 2 fingers. Hope people don't confuse that with crosstalk. (In real life this is happening all the time but your brain ignores it as it's used to it, but on a TV, altho the "3D" convergences are displaced left to right depending on the filmic distance, they are all really happening in the same plane (the screen on your TV 9 feet in front of you) where your eye lens is focused, not 1 feet in front of you, or 30,000 miles into outer space, so this is not natural and your brain then notices something is not normal and might notice the doublings more, since you're staring intently at a fixed screen instead of walking around in real life, living, and , mmmm, are probably watching and evaluating every little detail and defect of the disc transfer/TV performance/movie.

And you also say that the foreground details and the background details look blurry. That's physically impossible to be caused by an error/defect of the 3Dpolarisation emmission. Blurry as in out of focus? The polarization doesn't defocus the 3D images just dims it for the pixels that are not supposed to be seen (or not-dims them if it's not working properly, causing true crosstalk) But changing the focus of the image, the pixels that are being written on the TV panel? Nah.
Either the out of focusness is part of the movie's photography, or the eyes are going out of focus when trying to converge near or farther than the TV set really is. (Which is what the eyes does in real life when it looks at a near object: focuses near and crosses (converges) the eyes inwards. For far away objects it focuses far towards infinity and uncrosses the eyes outwards to parallel:

near :x pitchfork , far := moon

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What levels to select for 3D depth and 3D viewpoint?
I am not home right now but if I recall, default setting for 3D viewpoint at least was 0

I have always been reading this thread & are you connected with LG in someway because you really seem like a Troll not for them at all; Just my opinion by the way you post as a constant in this thread

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well they do on the units I've seen. So you should check your unit and not make generalizations.

And, since glasses are cheap you could try others. But .you. should. test/check . your . TV . since somehow . you're. the . only . person, that's. having . multiple threads . and posts . about . how . much . your .OLED. posterizes. changes gamut . and 3D sucks.


Also: Another thing is:

In 3-D let's say you have 3 planes: near , screen position, and far. So if you have a pitchfork on front of the screen, a person on the screen and the moon far behind in the sky behind the screen, if your eyes converge on the pitchfork the person will be a little separated (and double) and the moon will definitively look double, viceversa if you eyes converge on the moon , the person will be slightly double and the pitchfork will be doubled in the front. Till your eyes converge back on it. That's how 3-D viewing works in real life . Just put your finger to your nose and look at the wall you'll see 2 fingers. Hope people don't confuse that with crosstalk. (In real life this is happening all the time but your brain ignores it as it's used to it, but on a TV, altho the "3D" convergences are displaced left to right depending on the filmic distance, they are all really happening in the same plane (the screen on your TV 9 feet in front of you) where your eye lens is focused, not 1 feet in front of you, or 30,000 miles into outer space, so this is not natural and your brain then notices something is not normal and might notice the doublings more, since you're staring intently at a fixed screen instead of walking around in real life, living, and , mmmm, are probably watching and evaluating every little detail and defect of the disc transfer/TV performance/movie.

And you also say that the foreground details and the background details look blurry. That's physically impossible to be caused by an error/defect of the 3Dpolarisation emmission. Blurry as in out of focus? The polarization doesn't defocus the 3D images just dims it for the pixels that are not supposed to be seen (or not-dims them if it's not working properly, causing true crosstalk) But changing the focus of the image, the pixels that are being written on the TV panel? Nah.
Either the out of focusness is part of the movie's photography, or the eyes are going out of focus when trying to converge near or farther than the TV set really is. (Which is what the eyes does in real life when it looks at a near object: focuses near and crosses (converges) the eyes inwards. For far away objects it focuses far towards infinity and uncrosses the eyes outwards to parallel:

near :x pitchfork , far := moon

I feel like you often underestimate my intelligence.
I ran the rabbit test and the panel passed the test from what I could estimate.
I noticed that most of the crosstalk does not occur with background objects but more precisely with anything located in the top area of the screen and nowhere else. I did not have much time to test 3d manual controls but I pressed pause on a couple of scenes with crosstalk and by adjusting depth and viewpoint I was able to properly align the areas that had issues.
I did not have time to keep playing the movie to test whether those adjustments only fixed those individual scenes or the whole issue altogether

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