Pacific Rim 4K UHD (2013)

[cgpublic]

HDR, on any set available today with available content, is only a flawed glimpse of what will come beginning with HDMI 2.1 & Dolby Vision combined with content that is native 4K and transferred to home media inline with a director's intent, understanding and application of available and future technology.

Everything that is presently on sale will be obsolete in 18 to 24 months.

[sapiendut]

By that time I'm already enjoying UHD for 2 years! If you keep waiting for the next technology you'll never enjoy anything

[rbg08]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

HDR, on any set available today with available content, is only a flawed glimpse of what will come beginning with HDMI 2.1 & Dolby Vision combined with content that is native 4K and transferred to home media inline with a director's intent, understanding and application of available and future technology.

Everything that is presently on sale will be obsolete in 18 to 24 months.

Isn't that true with almost any present technology? With that mentality, you would never buy a new PC, smartphone, or almost any other consumer electronic as it would be "doomed" to be obsolete in the near future.

The trick is to enjoy the present technologies available and look forward to what the future might bring!

[jcp42877]

Originally Posted by rbg08

Isn't that true with almost any present technology? With that mentality, you would never buy a new PC, smartphone, or almost any other consumer electronic as it would be "doomed" to be obsolete in the near future.

The trick is to enjoy the present technologies available and look forward to what the future might bring!

Precisely! The only thing that'll bum me out is I've learned over the past couple weeks that TVs don't hold their value like they did a few years ago where you could resell a 3-4 year model and still get a decent chunk of change back, so my wallet will be crying when I eventually have to upgrade.

But hey, at least my OLED already supports Dolby Vision, so I've got that going for me

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by katiehlvr2

Maybe you should give us your opinion on hdr discs AFTER you actually get a hdr tv and are able to view a few titles for yourself.

I did not give an opinion. Don't be so defensive. I said I want to make sure I can turn HDR off in case I agree with its detractors. It was news to me the Samsung lets you turn it off. Happy to hear that. I might wait for the Sony, so hopefully it allows the same thing.

[ray0414]

^^^u can't turn hdr off on the samsung

[kansashoops]

Well, if you want to turn off HDR, just connect your HDMI cable to your TV's ARC input. It will be turned off for you, whether you want it to be or not. Found that out the hard way, when I was trying to figure out why the XBox One S said that my Sony 930D didn't support HDR.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by kansashoops

Well, if you want to turn off HDR, just connect your HDMI cable to your TV's ARC input. It will be turned off for you, whether you want it to be or not. Found that out the hard way, when I was trying to figure out why the XBox One S said that my Sony 930D didn't support HDR.

I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure my HDMI is connected to the ARC input in my AVR and HDR works fine.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by ray0414

^^^u can't turn hdr off on the samsung

That is correct. The Samsung PLAYER does not have a Disable option for HDR. Your TELEVISION has to have the the option to disable it.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

That is correct. The Samsung PLAYER does not have a Disable option for HDR. Your TELEVISION has to have the the option to disable it.

Someone told me the other day it did. Maybe they meant the Pioneer or whatever the other player currently is. I'm waiting for the Sony or Oppo though probably, so hopefully one of them allow it. If not then I'm back to requiring a TV that lets me disable it.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Someone told me the other day it did. Maybe they meant the Pioneer or whatever the other player currently is. I'm waiting for the Sony or Oppo though probably, so hopefully one of them allow it. If not then I'm back to requiring a TV that lets me disable it.

The Panasonic does it but not the Samsung.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Someone told me the other day it did. Maybe they meant the Pioneer or whatever the other player currently is. I'm waiting for the Sony or Oppo though probably, so hopefully one of them allow it. If not then I'm back to requiring a TV that lets me disable it.

The oppo has a dedicated hdr button. So buy the best tv you can, and you can flip the hdr button and see if you like it.

[rbg08]

I believe both my TV and my Xbox One S give me the option to turn off HDR. Not that I've ever tried to do it, though.

[puddy77]

You shouldn't think of it as "turning off" HDR. That is impossible because there is only an HDR version on most discs. You should think of it more as "turning on" an HDR to SDR down conversion. And the quality of that conversion is subjective.

[DJJez]

my ub900 was playing up the other day and loading 4k discs without HDR ( the tv wouldnt engage HDR for a couple of minutes. i fixed it by hard resetting it but i can tell you without HDR the picture looks awful. the colours are totally washed out. its unwatchable.

its not so simple to just turn HDR off on a 4k disc

[trekky76]

I see a lot of posts when people compare HDR to SDR by just turning off HDR on the HDMI port but you can't do that. The picture will just be converted to SDR and that looks awful. Colors and contrast will be off. Only the resolution will be the same.

[gates70]

A lot of people use a Fury to strip the HDR and say it looks good, but it's not for me. Part of the whole UHD thing is HDR to me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJJez

my ub900 was playing up the other day and loading 4k discs without HDR ( the tv wouldnt engage HDR for a couple of minutes. i fixed it by hard resetting it but i can tell you without HDR the picture looks awful. the colours are totally washed out. its unwatchable.

its not so simple to just turn HDR off on a 4k disc

The TV not reading the HDR metadata is why it looked so washed out, you're basically seeing the raw image minus the EOTF needed to decode it correctly.

The player actually converting the image to SDR is a different thing entirely, I use the SDR conversion on my UB900/700 for an SDR 2020 output and it looks fine. You can try it yourself, switch the HDR setting from Automatic to Off and it'll output a 2160p SDR 709 image (though bear in mind your TV may then switch settings for the SDR signal, if those haven't been set up or calibrated correctly then that may also be why it looks so bad).

[kansashoops]

Originally Posted by gates70

I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure my HDMI is connected to the ARC input in my AVR and HDR works fine.

Hmm. I might be wrong about that. When I was researching the problem (XBox said the TV didn't support HDR), I swear I found something on the web that said that HDR signals couldn't be passed through an ARC input (or maybe the ARC output on my receiver?), but now I can't find anything to substantiate that. Nevertheless, I DID solve my problem by sending the video to a different input on the TV. (Previously I was using the ARC input both to send audio from the TV to the receiver, and to send video from it to the TV.) But perhaps the problem was something else, and I just sidestepped the problem instead of solving it.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by puddy77

You shouldn't think of it as "turning off" HDR. That is impossible because there is only an HDR version on most discs. You should think of it more as "turning on" an HDR to SDR down conversion. And the quality of that conversion is subjective.

Well Geoff and others with SDR televisions certainly don't seem to think every UHD disc looks terrible. Since there's no actual standards though who the hell knows. All I know for sure is I want the option, and since hardware exists that actually provides that option I don't see why it would be a big deal.