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Penton-Man · 12-16-2018, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just got invited to Sharp's CES Press Conference. So I am now attending all of the premium TV manufacturers press conferences plus a few other's like NPD.

I'm arriving Sunday, Jan. 6, 2019 so I can attend all of the press conferences.

I’d imagine there will be live streams of most of the major press conferences. For something more personalized, make sure you hit some of the booths, e.g - https://hdmiforum.org/events/ces-2019/

Robert Zohn · 12-16-2018, 05:54 PM

Thanks, ^ most of the press conferences are hosted at the manufacturer's LV Convention Center exhibits (booths). Press day is one to two days before CES opens, so it's a VIP private hands on experience with all of the factory engineers and product management. You also get a one-on-one interview opportunity with the top management of all departments.

Plus..... Throughout the week of Jan 6th every major/premium manufacturer has private off site suites with the new products demonstrated and the same top engineering and product management execs to speak directly with. Lucky I'm also invited to these private off site demo suites.

Here's just one of my interviews at LGE's 2017 private suite with LGE's top executive, Neil Robertson, the gentleman in charge of all things technical regarding video.

https://www.facebook.com/robert.zohn...user_video_tab

Robert Zohn · 12-19-2018, 01:15 AM

Just posted by E6AtmosVuduDV, but wanted to repost this breaking article that says Sony is "planning to unveil an 8K television, 8K processing platform, 8K laser projector, and either an 8K camera or 8K camcorder at the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas".

The link goes to an online site, Tecnowise and it's actually quoting another site, "Sony Alpha Rumors" that says Sony will announce all of this at their CES Press Conference.

Thanks E6AtmosVuduDV for the find, hope some if not all of it comes through.

I'll be at Sony's press conference and more importantly I'll be buying all of these devices for myself personally.

Robert Zohn · 12-19-2018, 01:39 AM

NHK Japan launched the 1st full time 8K channel.

peterv · 12-19-2018, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

The link goes to an online site, Tecnowise and it's actually quoting another site, "Sony Alpha Rumors" that says Sony will announce all of this at their CES Press Conference.

Interesting, Sony Alpha Rumors (SAR) has a good track record in photographic circles as far as their rumors/predictions go.

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Originally Posted by kristoffer

LG 2019 OLED TVs will support WiSA wireless Dolby Atmos audio

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1544606711

Looks like the WISA standard is becoming more widespread.

I applaud LG for supporting the WiSa wireless protocol. The thing is that until now at least, there are no WiSa certified speakers that can do up firing for reflected sound from above. Nor are there any specific overhead speakers in the WiSa product line, as yet. So if LG wants Dolby Atmos through WiSa, maybe they can make it a few more WiSa speakers for this purpose?

anthonyls · 12-19-2018, 10:13 PM

Oh brother... 4K... then 8K... maybe 16K in a few more years. Where does it all end?!? I'll just wait until they introduce a 1 GB TV... and I can step into the TV itself and interact with the actors in the movie or TV show. The way things are going, maybe that will be in 2030... if we all still alive then and global warming hasn't destroyed all life on this planet as we know it.

DJR662 · 12-19-2018, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonyls

Oh brother... 4K... then 8K... maybe 16K in a few more years. Where does it all end?!? I'll just wait until they introduce a 1 GB TV... and I can step into the TV itself and interact with the actors in the movie or TV show. The way things are going, maybe that will be in 2030... if we all still alive then and global warming hasn't destroyed all life on this planet as we know it.

I thought global warming was a hoax though?

ray0414 · 12-20-2018, 12:21 AM

Panasonic will be showcasing a new processing chip, the HCXPro. Really interested to see if they have an updated 4k BD Player for 2nd half 2019. I'd be more than happy to throw down on an updated version and sell off my Ub820 to a friend.

MechaGodzilla · 12-20-2018, 12:32 AM

If Panasonic released tellies next year that do both Dolby Vision and HDR10+, like their players, then I'd be mighty tempted.

Geoff D · 12-20-2018, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

Panasonic will be showcasing a new processing chip, the HCXPro. Really interested to see if they have an updated 4k BD Player for 2nd half 2019. I'd be more than happy to throw down on an updated version and sell off my Ub820 to a friend.

What else are you realistically expecting the Panny to do though? Fetch your slippers for you?

ray0414 · 12-20-2018, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

What else are you realistically expecting the Panny to do though? Fetch your slippers for you?

Even better upscaling, faster apps,, etc. As we head Into the era of quantum processors, I'm assuming Panny will be right up there.

OH yea, how about a friggin INPUT?

Geoff D · 12-20-2018, 01:28 AM

Even better upscaling? I thought the Pannys already upscaling that's the equivalent of the light shining out of God's arse?

ray0414 · 12-20-2018, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Even better upscaling? I thought the Pannys already upscaling that's the equivalent of the light shining out of God's arse?

Always room for improvement.

Robert Zohn · 12-21-2018, 10:36 PM

Just today, LG announced a new Ultra Short Throw 4K HDR laser projector to be shown at CES 2019. LG's new HU85L is designed to deliver 2,500 ANSI lumens and include a QAM and OTA tuners along with LG's Smart webOS 3.0 and Bluetooth.

Here's the link to LG's official press release.

SW24 · 12-24-2018, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonyls

Oh brother... 4K... then 8K... maybe 16K in a few more years. Where does it all end?!? I'll just wait until they introduce a 1 GB TV... and I can step into the TV itself and interact with the actors in the movie or TV show. The way things are going, maybe that will be in 2030... if we all still alive then and global warming hasn't destroyed all life on this planet as we know it.

Hi.
Human vision needs 50K , it corresponds to image you see in a miror. But to light this image and manage the colors is another story !
And about the global warming, seriously it does exist everywhere in the world. I see it everyday, it's getting hotter and hotter.
So I will wait a bit longer before buying a new TV, a new smartphone, a new car, a new... What ever it is, it has to be "useful" and must last as long as the 20th century electric and electronic equipments (I still use them everyday....).
My recent cell phone is starting to fall apart... But all other equipements made before 2000, including TV screens (yes !) and PC are still working !
What age we are living in

DJR662 · 12-25-2018, 11:28 AM

https://altadefinizione.hdblog.it/20...camere-8k-ces/

I know it's not much to go by, but this Italian site mentions a rumor concerning a Sony 98" and either an 82" or 85" 8K LCD TV.

If true, I'm really curious whether Sony will go all the way again Z9D style regarding peak brightness/backlight/local dimming/black level/contrast.

Geoff D · 12-25-2018, 01:42 PM

It's worth bearing in mind that Sony's first commercially available 4K TV was also an 84" behemoth which cost $25K (!). Even if this upcoming 8K set is the true ZD9 successor it won't be affordable, not for me anyway, nor do I have anything like the room for an 84" set so the wait for the ZD9 killer goes on. I can't see them unveiling another <84" premium LCD line in January seeing as the "master" series has only been out for a few months.

Robert Zohn · 12-25-2018, 02:29 PM

At CES 2018 Sony showed a 85" 8K, 10k nit, backlit TV that delivered a gorgeous image. It was to demonstrate Sony's capability, maybe this time it will have a model # and be ready for MP.

DJR662 · 12-25-2018, 02:34 PM

Because of the less than positive reception the Z9F received, perhaps Sony is giving their 2019 stragety a second thought and we just might see a new worthwhile 65-75" premium high end LCD being announced at CES after all? If Sony really is in touch with their customers, they would need to do such a thing IMHO.

If I am going to replace my 75Z9D however, I would need it to be an 85". And ofcourse it will have to outperform the ZD9 also.

Geoff D · 12-25-2018, 02:42 PM

I doubt it. While Sony would've been stung by the reaction to the ZF9 (I admired Robert's enthusiasm for it at the time, but the people have spoken) I think they were hoping to keep it on a 2-year cycle, so it may be too late to come up with a genuine 'premium' replacement that isn't just a jury-rigged version that quickly corrects the ZF9's shortcomings. We'll find out soon enough though.

12-16-2018, 05:54 PM	#22
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Thanks, ^ most of the press conferences are hosted at the manufacturer's LV Convention Center exhibits (booths). Press day is one to two days before CES opens, so it's a VIP private hands on experience with all of the factory engineers and product management. You also get a one-on-one interview opportunity with the top management of all departments. Plus..... Throughout the week of Jan 6th every major/premium manufacturer has private off site suites with the new products demonstrated and the same top engineering and product management execs to speak directly with. Lucky I'm also invited to these private off site demo suites. Here's just one of my interviews at LGE's 2017 private suite with LGE's top executive, Neil Robertson, the gentleman in charge of all things technical regarding video. https://www.facebook.com/robert.zohn...user_video_tab

12-19-2018, 01:15 AM	#23
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Just posted by E6AtmosVuduDV, but wanted to repost this breaking article that says Sony is "planning to unveil an 8K television, 8K processing platform, 8K laser projector, and either an 8K camera or 8K camcorder at the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas". The link goes to an online site, Tecnowise and it's actually quoting another site, "Sony Alpha Rumors" that says Sony will announce all of this at their CES Press Conference. Thanks E6AtmosVuduDV for the find, hope some if not all of it comes through. I'll be at Sony's press conference and more importantly I'll be buying all of these devices for myself personally.

12-19-2018, 01:39 AM	#24
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	NHK Japan launched the 1st full time 8K channel.

12-19-2018, 10:13 PM	#26
anthonyls Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Portland, OR Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:44	Oh brother... 4K... then 8K... maybe 16K in a few more years. Where does it all end?!? I'll just wait until they introduce a 1 GB TV... and I can step into the TV itself and interact with the actors in the movie or TV show. The way things are going, maybe that will be in 2030... if we all still alive then and global warming hasn't destroyed all life on this planet as we know it.

12-20-2018, 12:21 AM	#28
ray0414 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Michigan, USA, 35yo Trading Score:9	Panasonic will be showcasing a new processing chip, the HCXPro. Really interested to see if they have an updated 4k BD Player for 2nd half 2019. I'd be more than happy to throw down on an updated version and sell off my Ub820 to a friend.

12-20-2018, 12:32 AM	#29
MechaGodzilla Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2012 Location:Sweden 4K collection:96 Blu-ray collection:660 DVD collection:234	If Panasonic released tellies next year that do both Dolby Vision and HDR10+, like their players, then I'd be mighty tempted.

12-20-2018, 01:28 AM	#32
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Even better upscaling? I thought the Pannys already upscaling that's the equivalent of the light shining out of God's arse?

12-21-2018, 10:36 PM	#34
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Just today, LG announced a new Ultra Short Throw 4K HDR laser projector to be shown at CES 2019. LG's new HU85L is designed to deliver 2,500 ANSI lumens and include a QAM and OTA tuners along with LG's Smart webOS 3.0 and Bluetooth. Here's the link to LG's official press release.

12-25-2018, 11:28 AM	#36
DJR662 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2009 Trading Score:30	https://altadefinizione.hdblog.it/20...camere-8k-ces/ I know it's not much to go by, but this Italian site mentions a rumor concerning a Sony 98" and either an 82" or 85" 8K LCD TV. If true, I'm really curious whether Sony will go all the way again Z9D style regarding peak brightness/backlight/local dimming/black level/contrast.

12-25-2018, 01:42 PM	#37
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	It's worth bearing in mind that Sony's first commercially available 4K TV was also an 84" behemoth which cost $25K (!). Even if this upcoming 8K set is the true ZD9 successor it won't be affordable, not for me anyway, nor do I have anything like the room for an 84" set so the wait for the ZD9 killer goes on. I can't see them unveiling another <84" premium LCD line in January seeing as the "master" series has only been out for a few months.

12-25-2018, 02:29 PM	#38
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	At CES 2018 Sony showed a 85" 8K, 10k nit, backlit TV that delivered a gorgeous image. It was to demonstrate Sony's capability, maybe this time it will have a model # and be ready for MP.

12-25-2018, 02:34 PM	#39
DJR662 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2009 Trading Score:30	Because of the less than positive reception the Z9F received, perhaps Sony is giving their 2019 stragety a second thought and we just might see a new worthwhile 65-75" premium high end LCD being announced at CES after all? If Sony really is in touch with their customers, they would need to do such a thing IMHO. If I am going to replace my 75Z9D however, I would need it to be an 85". And ofcourse it will have to outperform the ZD9 also.

12-25-2018, 02:42 PM	#40
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I doubt it. While Sony would've been stung by the reaction to the ZF9 (I admired Robert's enthusiasm for it at the time, but the people have spoken) I think they were hoping to keep it on a 2-year cycle, so it may be too late to come up with a genuine 'premium' replacement that isn't just a jury-rigged version that quickly corrects the ZF9's shortcomings. We'll find out soon enough though.

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