3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate - Page 60 - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 08-03-2014, 04:56 AM

The Cinema quality frame rate list now includes 3-D 144Hz projectors at amazing low price of under $700

A few years ago 144Hz triple flash DLP projectors cost around $80,000 for the 3 chip DLP models, now 3-chip DLP 144Hz projectors start at $24,995 in 2014. Single chip DLP 144Hz projectors use to be $11,995. However now one can purchase single chip DLP projectors with 144Hz flicker free Cinema quality triple flash technology for under $700 (also with 3,000 lumens).

USA 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D and 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates

HDTV1080P · 08-07-2014, 03:37 AM

This state of the art Insight Laser 4K projector from Digital Projection Inc has been added to the list

Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K 3-Chip DLP (114-821) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

HDTV1080P · 08-07-2014, 03:39 AM

** Warning: All the information in this post is preliminary information and is subject to possible minor changes before the product is released in the fourth quarter of 2014. **

Digital Projections Insight Laser 4K 3-D projector

(20,000 hours of solid-state illumination with no lamp replacement required)

Dual Projector setup info

** 4K IMAX 3-D style picture quality occurs when two Insight Laser projectors are stacked together in a dual pipe configuration. Each eye sees a full 4K quality with 24Hz for each eye with no need to triple flash **

** New improved DMD loading sequence and state of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz **

Single Projector setup info

** The 144Hz 3-D 4K Insight Laser projector can be configured for a REALD 3-D passive or XpanD 3-D active system **

** Both passive and active glasses on the Insight Laser projector offers full 4K quality for each eye (true 144Hz 4096 x 2160 resolution, with each eye seeing 72Hz).**

The Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K 3-D projector has top of the line specs and its light engine is state of the art. 3 x 1.38 inch DarkChip DMD is used for this 3-chip 4K DLP projector. This Insight Laser 4K projector has 12,000 ANSI Lumens output for a very bright flicker free 3-D quality in a single projector setup. With two Insight Laser 4K projectors stacked together, a super bright 4K IMAX 3-D style picture quality occurs when using a 4K quality dual pipe movie server. There is no dropped lines at 144Hz on the Insight Laser 4K projector since it has a new state of the art light engine with DMD loading sequence (Native 48Hz 3-D material is displayed at 144Hz by using Cinema quality triple flash technology). In addition, 20,000 hours of solid-state illumination with no lamp replacement is a nice feature. This Insight Laser 4K projector will most likely have a suggested list price of around $120,000 for a single projector setup (A dual projector IMAX style setup would be around $240,000). The current plan is to make the Insight Laser projector with the ability to be frame locked with a 24Hz output for native 2-D 4K 24Hz material and 2-D 1080P 24Hz material. In the commercial movie theaters, DLP projectors output 24Hz with no flicker, and the Insight Laser Projector will also have that capability for 2-D material. Also in a dual projector setup, 3-D has native 48Hz output (24Hz for each eye). The Insight Laser projector will scale native 1080P source material to 3840 x 2160P. 2048P material will be scaled to 4096P. In a single projector setup each eye sees 2-D 24Hz material at 24Hz with no flicker. On a single projector setup for 3-D 48Hz material, the Insight Laser projector operates at the flicker free 144Hz mode with each eye seeing a slightly differnet 4K 72Hz image to produce the 3-D effect (72Hz left eye and 72Hz right eye). In a dual Insight Laser projector setup each eye always sees flicker free 24Hz for both native 2-D 24Hz material and native 3-D 48Hz material. In a dual Insight Laser projector setup native 48Hz 3-D material is displayed at 48Hz (24Hz for each projector). Each projector in a dual projector setup offers flicker free 24Hz with each eye seeing a slightly different 4K 24Hz image to produce the 3-D efect without the need to use triple flash technology (24Hz left eye and 24Hz right eye).

Some in the industry believe that the Display Port interface might replace HDMI in the future, or perhaps both interfaces will coexist. The problem with HDMI 2.0 is that it will not support 4K RGB (4:4:4) at 60 fps. Display Port 1.2 is more capable and professional interface. When the Insight Laser 4K projector was being designed by the engineers at Digital Projection INC, HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 was not ready when a commitment to chip sets had to be made. Therefore, the current version of the Insight Laser projector just has the standard HDMI 1.4 interface. The good news is that the Insight Laser projector in the future will become a entire series of projectors. Most likely, the second generation of Insight Laser projectors in theory will have HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. If around the year 2016 a consumer 4K optical disc format launches with a Display Port interface, then the first generation Insight Laser projector should work fine. However if the new 4K consumer optical disc format does use HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 then waiting for the second generation Insight Laser projector would be ideal. In reality the people that are purchasing a state of the art $120,000 4K projector are not interested in streaming low bitrate 3840 x 2160 resolution Netflix movies. Most people interested in the Insight Laser projector will be watching commercial movies at native 4096 x 2160 with their dual pipe movie server.

Some select quotes from Digital Projection INC email conversations:

“Yes, we will be coming out with the Insight Laser 4K projector soon.”

“Much of this was passed on to me by our Engineering team.”

“There should not be any dropped lines at 144Hz.”

“Our initial plan is to remain frame locked to the 24p. We could choose to frame double to 48fps. Please note that the frame doubling to 48 fps is really a hangover from 35mm projectors, which flickered at 24ps because of the gating mechanism. DLP has very efficient bit sequences, so there will be no flicker at 24fps. By frame doubling from 24, to 48 fps one simply replaces 24p motion artefacts, with a double shuttering artefact.”

“In first guise the projector will have very simple scaling that will maintain the aspect ratio of the source, so 1080p will be scaled to 3840 x 2160. Likewise, 2048 will scale up to 4096. We plan to follow slightly later with an arbitrary scaling capability.”

“Yes, the Insight 4K will accept 2D 3840x2160 resolution signals. 3840 x 2160 will be mapped to 3840 x 2160. As above, we plan to later enable a more arbitrary scaling capability.”

“It looks like the list price will be about $120,000.”

“HDMI 2 was not ready at the time we had to commit to chip set selection. Also, HDMI 2 is not capable of carrying 4k RGB (4:4:4) at 60 fps. We reviewed with N-Vidia and others, and determined that Display Port 1.2 is the more capable, professional data interface. I would add that we do have an HDMI 1.4 interface capable of 4k, 60fps, Y, Pr Pb. Our projector will be HDCP enabled.”

HDTV1080P · 08-19-2014, 05:42 PM

LG’s 55” OLED Display Named ‘King Of TV’

The following are select quotes from the Twice article

“The King of TV for 2014 is LG's soon-to-launch 55EC9300 curved-screen OLED FullHD TV, according to a gathering of videophiles, experts and customers of A/V specialty boutique Value Electronics.”

“LG continues to manufacture and sell plasma TVs and has not announced plans to discontinue that at this time.”

“Unquestionably, OLED is the future display technology for the best TV performance, and I am confident it will be fully adopted by every TV manufacturer within two years,” Zohn told TWICE.”

http://www.twice.com/news/tv/lg-s-55-oled-display-named-king-tv/49964

HDTV1080P · 08-20-2014, 06:25 PM

Update: A re-count of the votes at the 2014 Value Electronics shootout shows a tie between the 2013 Samsung plasma and the 2014 LG OLED display

** Plasma motion resolution is better when compared to OLED motion resolution **

The latest second generation 2014 LG 55EC9300 OLED has the best black levels and contrast ratio, however OLED is not perfect and needs some improvements when compared to plasma display technology. The old 2013 Samsung PN64F8500 plasma display was the winner at color accuracy and motion resolution (sharpness). In fact plasma is much better at motion compared to OLED and LCD screens that require 240Hz or higher. The Samsung plasma runs at 96Hz for native 2-D 1080p/24 signals when Cinema Smooth Plus is turned on . Displays that use 240Hz or higher have additional artifacts since they have to keep repeating the original native 2-D 1080p/24 signal 10 times or more. The reference Pioneer plasmas from 2006-2008 used 72Hz for 2-D 1080p/24 signals and had excellent motion with very little motion artifacts. The ultimate reference display technology for motion is high-end 3-chip DLP projector technology which uses a flicker free 24Hz output without the need to create additional artifacts by increasing the frame rate. All flat panel screens including plasma, OLED, and LCD technologies never output native 24Hz because they would all produce an unwatchable flicker on the screen at 24fps, due to the the limitation of flat panel screen technology (the black time causes the flicker). The ideal flat panel screen if it were every made should output native 24Hz with no flicker (no black time), however that would require a flat panel screen that operated like high-end 3-chip DLP projector technology operates. Even some flat panels have a flicker at 48Hz. Therefore, flat panel screen technology needs to have a minimum output of 60Hz in order to be flicker free. The reference Pioneer plasmas and the current LG plasmas use 72Hz output for native 2-D 1080p/24 material and have less frame rate artifacts when compared to a 96Hz, 120Hz, and 240Hz flat panel screens.

A better understanding and research in frame rates has resulted in people understanding that there is no frame rate artifacts at 24Hz if the display technology can handle that frame rate without flickering. In addition, a 72Hz Pioneer plasma and a 96Hz Samsung plasma will have less frame rate motion artifacts compared to a 240Hz OLED display. If OLED is, really such an excellent display technology then it should be able to operate at 72Hz just like all the modern LG plasma displays operate when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received. The reason OLED operates at 240Hz and higher is because there is limitations in the technology that requires it to have a high frame rate in order to offer an excellent picture quality. However, there is frame rate motion artifacts when a display operates at 240Hz or higher. Just like there are bandwidth limitations at 144Hz with many 3-D DLP projectors, there are bandwidth limitations on OLED and LCD flat panel screens when they operate at 240Hz (one of those bandwidth limitations is motion resolution limitations and frame rate artifacts). When it comes to frame rate artifacts and bandwidth limitations the lower the frame rate (Hz) the better. Some display technologies need to operate at higher frame rates (Hz) to reduce the limitations in the technology. So sometimes, a 240Hz LCD will have an overall better picture quality when compared to a 120Hz LCD even though the 240Hz LCD has more frame rate artifacts.

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“Updated 8/19/2014 6PM EST Value Electronics has advised that after re-tallying the Samsung PN64F8500 collected the most votes across all the categories, and has announced that after deliberation it is now tied with the LG OLED for first place.”

http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shootout-2014/

HDTV1080P · 08-29-2014, 06:01 PM

LG might soon stop making plasma screens according to LG’s president

Pioneer had an unreleased plasma prototype that had absolute black technology that matched or beat the black levels of OLED displays. In addition, Panasonic had an unreleased plasma prototype that offered 4K QUAD HD resolution. The Pioneer 2006-2008 plasma displays all display 2-D 1080p/24 material using cinema quality 2-D triple flash technology at 72Hz. Between 2011-2013 all LG plasma screens used the same 72Hz cinema quality 2-D triple flash technology that is found in Pioneer plasma displays (prior LG plasma models used either 48Hz or 60Hz for 2-D 1080p/24 signals). Plasma motion at 72Hz has less frame rate artifacts and less motion artifacts when compared to a 240Hz OLED display. The reason why an absolute black plasma screen with 4K QUAD HD resolution is not going to be released to the consumer market is because of energy legislation and power consumption laws would prevent it from happening.

It should be mentioned that Pioneer, Panasonic, and Samsung have better black levels when compared to the LG plasma displays. LG plasma displays are very affordable for the average consumer.

If more research went into plasma development, it might be possible one day to make absolute black 4K QUAD HD plasmas that meets the current power consumption laws for flat panels. The big secret is plasma technology can outperform OLED technology in terms of picture quality, however its being banned because of strict power consumption laws. One cannot release a 4K QUAD HD plasma display since it would generate more power than is allowed under the power consumption laws for flat panel screens. Also over time, the power consumption laws for flat panel screens keeps being lowered and manufactories have to find new ways to make large flat panel screens that use less power. When a flat panel screen uses less power sometimes the picture quality is not as good compared to a flat panel that used more power.

When plasma flat panel technology is gone, OLED flat panel technology will be the king in terms of picture quality by default.

The following are select quotes from the Twice news article

“Seoul, South Korea – LG is planning to soon announce a decision that many felt was inevitable, and join Panasonic and Samsung in exiting production of plasma TVs.”

“Hyun-hwoi told reporters expect an announcement on the issue in the future”

“Chinese manufacturer Changhong Electric is the only other manufacturer of plasma displays left, but those products have not made it to the U.S.”

http://www.twice.com/news/tv/lg-studying-plasma-exit/53804

HDTV1080P · 08-30-2014, 12:54 AM

In 2014 the LG spec sheets have incorrect pull down information when it comes to Real Cinema technology

(Also, some frame rate history for LG plasma screens)

A few examples below of the incorrect information in LG spec sheets

1.The 2014 LG LB6300 series LCD flat panels use a 600 Motion Clarity Index (MCI 240 for the 50-inch model) with a native 120Hz locked refresh rate.
The LG spec sheet incorrectly lists the 2014 LB6300 series as having “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)”. Flat panels normally have a flicker at 48Hz. It is not possible for the LB6300 series to operate at 48fps (Hz) since the LB6300 series is frame locked at 120fps (Hz). LG should revise their spec sheet to say “Real Cinema 24p (5:5 pull down)”, since each 2-D 1080p/24 frame is repeated 5 times to reach 120Hz when Real Cinema 24p technology is turned on and the frame interpolation motion feature is turned off.

2.The 2014 LG 55EC9300 OLED flat panel spec sheet also incorrectly lists “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)” instead of listing the correct pull down information that matches LG’s OLED native frame rate.

3. LG plasma screens use to be all frame locked at 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown judder when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal was received. However in 2009 LG started making plasma screens that operated at both 48Hz and 60Hz. When film mode was switched on in the LG PS60 and PS80 series 2-D 1080p/24 material used Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down) technology at 48Hz. However, LG discontinued the 48Hz feature. Some people see image flicker on flat panel screens at 48Hz because of limitations in the technology. Between 2011-2013 100% of all LG plasma display models including the lower end 768P models operated at both 72Hz and 60Hz (72Hz is the same technology used on the 2006-2008 reference Pioneer plasma screens). The latest LG plasma screens correctly display native 30fps and native 60fps video based material at 60Hz without using any 3:2 pulldown. In addition, when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received the 2011-2013 LG plasma screens will display the image on the screen at 72Hz when “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pull down)” is turned on. The select few LG plasma models that do offer the 3-D feature, all use the active shutter glass technology at full 1080P quality. However, what is disappointing about the LG 3-D plasma models is that none of them offer the 144Hz (72Hz for each eye) mode when a consumer watches a 3-D movie. Currently all LG plasma screens are using 120Hz (60Hz for each eye) with 3:2 pull down when consumers watch a frame packed Blu-ray. The following is the problem with the spec sheets when it comes to the 2014 LG plasma screens. If one looks at all the spec sheets for the 2011-2013 LG plasma screen models they all list the 72Hz “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pull down)” technology. One example is the 2013 LG 60PH6700 spec sheet which clearly mentions “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pulldown)”. However in 2014 it appears that LG by mistake has listed all their 2014 plasma models with 48Hz “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)” technology instead of 72Hz “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pull down)” technology. For example the 2014 LG 60PB6900 spec sheet clearly only mentions 48Hz “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)”. Most likely, this is a misprint in all the LG 2014 plasma models since historically 48Hz produces an image flicker. Since the 2011-2013 LG plasma models use flicker free 72Hz technology it would not be logical for the 2014 LG plasma screens to use old 48Hz technology that has flicker issues. Therefore, the theory is that this is just another misprint when it comes to the spec sheets for the 2014 LG plasmas.

In summary in the year 2014 LG incorrectly has labeled its new 2014 LCD, OLED, and plasma displays with 48Hz “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)” technology when in fact none of the 2014 flat panel displays operate at 48Hz to the best of my knowledge. If they did operate at 48Hz people would most likely be complaining of image flicker issues.

HDTV1080P · 09-06-2014, 08:14 PM

Native 4K Blu-ray players and native 4K Blu-ray movies are coming soon according to the CNET article

According to the following CNET article, native 4K Blu-ray discs and native 4K Blu-ray players should arrive by the fourth quarter of 2015. I am all for 4K Blu-ray discs arriving in 2015, however realistically the actual launch date could be delayed. Major upgrades to the existing Blu-ray format can result in unforeseen delays. If delays occur then 2016 might be more realistic for the launch of a 4K optical disc format.

At the time of this post the DVD forum has not announced any plans to release a native 4K DVD format that is 100% backwards compatible with existing DVD players (each native 4K DVD could contain a multi-layer disc with a mandatory 8.5GB 480i DVD section for 100% backward compatibility for existing DVD players). Therefore, it appears there will be no optical disc 4K format war. The Blu-ray format is improving over time just like the VHS format did many years ago. JVC the inventor of the VHS format released the Super VHS (S-VHS) format to offer 400 lines of resolution compared to standard VHS which is 240 lines of resolution. Then JVC released Digital VHS (D-VHS) with true 1920 x 1080i resolution. In 2006 the Blu-ray Disc Association launched the 2-D 1080P Blu-ray format. Then in 2010, the 3-D Blu-ray format launched. Now the Blu-ray Disc Association is planning to launch the 4K Blu-ray disc format.

I was hoping that an entire new 4K optical disc format would have launched instead of getting an extension to the existing Blu-ray format. One of the reasons why consumers will not see a 4K optical disc format war, is because 4K streaming and 4K download services are available now (the streaming providers are in some ways comparable to a 4K format). The streaming providers have their own format war going on. Satellite TV companies and cable companies are also planning to offer 4K programming in the future. Consumers that currently own 4K equipment are now able to get a better picture quality when compared to 1080P Blu-ray discs by downloading or streaming 4K content. However, what has hurt the industry is that if one purchases Sony’s 4K media server they can only use it with a Sony 4K display. Also if one purchases a Samsung 4K media server they can only use it with a Samsung 4K flat panel.

4K Blu-ray discs in theory will be reference quality since they will have a higher bitrate when compared to 4K streaming providers like Netflix (Also at this time 7.1 lossless audio which is bit for bit the same as the studio master is exclusive to the Blu-ray format). Instead of supporting the Cinema quality native resolution of 4096 x 2160, it sounds as if the 4K Blu-ray format will only offer 4K at native 3840 x 2160 which is the resolution that all 4K consumer flat panel screens use (some consumer 4K projectors have native 4096 x 2160 resolutions). Therefore, if the final 4K optical disc format launches with a maximum native resolution of 3840 x 2160, then I plan to change the rules for the Cinema quality frame rate list. The Cinema quality frame rate list current rules only allows 4K projectors with a native resolution of 4096 x 2160. In the future those rules might be extended to 4K flat panel screens and 4K projectors with a native resolution of 3840 x 2160 (Also those 4K displays must also offer both 2-D and 3-D Cinema quality frame rates to be included on the list).

The 4K Blu-ray format will also support 1080P frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies. Hopefully the 4K Blu-ray format will offer 4K 3-D quality movies, however I have not heard anything about the 4K format supporting 3-D movies at 4K quality. It would be ideal for the new format to support 4K at 3-D quality instead of having to wait another 4 years for an extension to the 4K Blu-ray format in order to support 3-D quality. The existing Blu-ray format only supports 2-D 1080P at 24fps, however the new Blu-ray 4K format is suppose to support native 4K at up to 60fps which is ideal for some of the 2-D high frame rate movies that are mastered at 48fps and 60fps instead of the industry standard of 24fps. Improved color gamut will also be supported.

It is believed that the new 4K Blu-ray format will use 66GB and 100GB Blu-ray discs with a new HEVC codec. The ideal 4K optical disc format should offer at the minimum 100GB size discs which is double the capacity of today’s 50GB Blu-ray discs. In addition, improved DRM and in theory 100% of the 4K equipment will need to have HDCP 2.2 technology in order to view the secure encrypted 4K optical discs at 4K quality.

http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-blu-ray-discs-arriving-in-2015-to-fight-streaming-media/

HDTV1080P · 09-08-2014, 04:27 PM

The following are select quotes from the TWICE article

“Berlin — The first 4K Blu-ray decks, as well as pre-packed 4K Blu-ray discs of Hollywood films, may go on sale as early as the 2015 holiday season, certainly by early 2016.”

“The planned 66GB capacity disc will support a 108Mbps transfer rate, while the 100GB disc will handle 128Mbps. Each will support all frame rates 60p and below, and include HEVC/H.265 decoding and HDMI 2.0.”

4K Blu-ray Poised For Holiday 2015 Debut ·

HDTV1080P · 09-15-2014, 05:20 PM

*** Important update regarding the term “4K Quad HD” ***

4K Quad HD use to mean a resolution of 3840 x 2160, however now the meaning has changed

I did some research and back in 2011 “Quad HD” was the term used for 4K projectors instead of the term “Ultra HD”. Check out this professional review link.

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“What is 4K video? It’s a format that can display a maximum resolution of 4096 x 2160, or sometimes 3840 x 2160, otherwise known as Quad HD.”

“The reason for the discrepancy is that full HD content is only 16:9, and is upscaled in the Sony to Quad HD, or 3840 x 2160—just shy of the projector’s full native resolution.”

In addition 4K Quad HD is the term used by Engaged and many others when talking about flat panel screens with a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160.

Therefore in the past 4K displays with a native resolution of 3,840 x 2,160 use to be called 4K Quad HD. Overtime the term Quad HD changed to mean a resolution of 2560 x 1440 instead of a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. Now the term 4K Ultra HD is popular to describe a display with a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160.

When reading all my old posts that mention the term “4K Quad HD”, or “Quad HD”, 100% of the time I am talking about a minimum resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. Going forward I plan on using the term “4K”, “4K Ultra HD”, or the term “Ultra HD” when describing a display with a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160.

HDTV1080P · 09-17-2014, 03:45 AM

LG 55EC9300 OLED flat panel (CNET review link)

(does not meet the qualifications to be added to the list)

Only 540P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when in 3-D mode

No Cinema quality 144Hz or 192Hz 3-D mode

The LG 55EC9300 has the deepest black levels when compared to any other current flat panel display, however the other picture quality issues raises a red flag.

The LG 55EC9300 only offers 540P for each eye when in 3-D mode. Also as far as I am aware this 240Hz OLED flat panel adds 3:2 pulldown judder to each eye when the 3-D mode is engaged (each eye sees 60Hz). To make matters worse according to the CNET review the 2-D motion resolution was only 600 lines with frame interpolation (TruMotion turned on) and 300 lines with the Cinema quality repeating frame method (TruMotion turned off). In theory that would mean in 3-D mode with motion, each eye would see 300 lines with TruMotion on and 150 lines with TruMotion off. The ideal 1080P flat panel screen should have a motion resolution of 1080P in both 2-D and 3-D mode. In addition, the ideal 4K Ultra HD flat panel should have a motion resolution of 2160P.

DLP technology is the King when it comes to motion quality. The latest high-end DLP projectors and the latest high-end plasma flat panel displays are capable of 1080P motion. In addition, the Pioneer reference plasma displays from 2006-2008 uses 72Hz and has excellent motion. The LG 55EC9300 OLED display needs to use 240Hz instead of 72Hz do to limitation in the technology when it comes to motion. There can be artifacts when 10:10 pulldown is used for 2-D 1080p/24 material. The ideal flat panel display if it were every made should operate like DLP technology with the ability to handle lower frame rates (Hz). Pioneer and LG plasma screens have beautiful motion quality at 72Hz. When it comes to motion, OLED technology is more comparable to LCD screens instead of plasma screens. In addition, the color quality and video processing quality on LG OLED screens needs to be improved. The LG 55EC9300 is second generation OLED technology and over the years hopefully improvements will be made on future models.

The following are select word for word quotes from the CNET review

“Motion resolution was also lower than any of the other sets, topping off at 600 lines. That's because the 55EC9300, like all current OLED sets, uses sample and hold technology. All of the TruMotion settings showed 600 lines, with the exception of Off (which hit 300) and User with "de-blurring" set to a lower number.”

“The LG OLED lagged behind in its color accuracy and also fell short of their video processing prowess, showing more excessive judder at times.”

“The LG 55EC9300 OLED TV's picture betters that of any LCD or plasma TV, with perfect black levels and exceedingly bright whites.”

http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-55ec9300/

HDTV1080P · 09-17-2014, 04:07 PM

4K Ultra HD terminology is now official

QUOTE:

“CEA also announced its Video Division Board approved the use of 4K Ultra HD as terminology to be used by CEA to describe the emerging category of display products with more than 8 million pixels — four times the resolution of FullHD. This updates the terminology adopted by CEA in October 2012 to provide more consistency across the market”. - See more at: http://www.twice.com/news/cea/cea-devises-4k-logos-manufacturers/54031#sthash.5kkl5JoP.dpuf

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:01 PM

** Important updated information regarding SIM2 Projectors **

** All 144Hz 3-Chip SIM2 DLP projectors, use a DMD loading sequence and a state of the art light engine that results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz **

** Each eye sees full 4K quality at 144Hz when a SIM2 4K projector is used **

** Each eye sees full 1080P quality at 144Hz for both active and passive glasses (3-Chip 144Hz 1080P models only) **

The email communication quality I have had with SIM2 in September 2014 has greatly improved compared to prior years (still not perfect but much better customer service compared to prior years). Some of my questions that I needed answered required direct responses from the SIM2 engineers in Italy.

According to the SIM2 engineers in Italy, 100% of the SIM2 144Hz projectors from the year 2011-2014 that use a 3-Chip DLP chipset design, flash 2-D 1080p/24 source material on the screen at 48Hz. I have updated all the old SIM2 144Hz projectors on the list to say “48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources” instead of “72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources”. Either SIM2 came out with a firmware update to change their projectors from 72Hz to 48Hz, or the 72Hz source I was using was incorrect information. 48Hz is better quality then 72Hz since there is less shuttering artifacts at 48Hz (For example Digital Projection INC has many high-end projectors that operate at a native 24Hz which is even better quality than 48Hz, because 24Hz completely eliminates all shuttering artifacts. Hopefully future SIM2 projectors will use 24Hz instead of 48Hz).

According to the SIM2 corporation in Italy (the actual engineers in Italy), 100% of the SIM2 144Hz projectors from the year 2011-2014 have no bandwidth limitations that results in no lost lines at 144Hz. The reason for this is that the 3-Chip SIM2 144Hz projectors are using the latest light engines, and the latest DMD loading sequence combined with 3 x 0.95 inch Darkchip 4 technology. Texas Instruments top of the line Darkchip 4 chipsets also offer the deepest black levels with higher contrast ratios and are only found on high-end projectors. Other manufactories of 144Hz projectors sometimes use older DC1, DC2, or DC3 chipsets which do not offer as deep of black levels. In addition, some other 144Hz DLP projector manufactories might be using a custom version of Texas Instruments chipset that is comparable in quality to the Darkchip 4 technology. It should be mentioned that SIM2 is the only 144Hz projector company currently on the list that mentions in their spec sheets that they are using Darkchip 4 technology.

The top of the line, absolute best projector on the list is the Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K for $120,000 that uses 3 x 1.38 inch DarkChip DMD’s. This is Digital Projection INC’s very first 144Hz projector with no bandwidth limitations (no resolution lost at 144Hz). In the future it is my understanding that new 1080P and 4K 144Hz projector designs from Digital Projection INC, will most likely have no resolution lost at 144Hz. So in the future, the 144Hz bandwidth limitation that both Runco and Digital Projection INC mention in some of their owners manuals should become a non-issue when new improved models are released. At this time it’s still unknown if the Optoma 144Hz projectors which use the lower quality Darkchip 3 technology have a bandwidth limitation at 144Hz that results in resolution lost. This means that only the Digital Projection INC Insight Laser 4K projector and 100% of all 3-Chip 144Hz SIM2 projectors are the only documented consumer projectors that have overcome the 144Hz bandwidth limitation issue.

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:02 PM

The following SIM2 144Hz 3-D projectors have been moved to the discontinued list

SIM2 CINEMAQUATTRO 4K 3-Chip DLP(144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 LUMIS HC 3D-DUO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 LUMIS 3D-SOLO HC 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 LUMIS 3D-SOLO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 LUMIS 3D PF 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:03 PM

The following SIM2 144Hz 1080P 3-D projectors have been added to the list

SIM2 Immersive System (SIS) 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS DUO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 NEO 3 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 NEO 20th 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:04 PM

SIM2 Immersive System (1080P dual projector setup)

List price $180,000

** State of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz **

** Uses two 3-chip DLP Full 1080P Projectors to deliver 1080P quality to each eye with both active and passive glasses **

** No special silver screen needed, uses standard white screens with Dolby 3D Infitec passive glasses **

The SIM2 Immersive System (SIS) is SIM2’s highest quality 1080P 3-D projector setup. This high-end dual SUPER LUMIS Special Platform system list price is $180,000. When a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received both 1080P 3-chip DLP projectors flash the exact same 2-D images on the screen at 48Hz. What is unique about this SIM2 dual projector setup is that when a frame packed Blu-ray 3-D signal is received, both projectors unpack that native 48Hz Blu-ray 3-D movie, and then both projectors flash the image on the screen at 144Hz using either active or passive glasses (each projector receives the exact same input and then outputs the exact same output for an active glasses setup or slightly different output for passive glasses Infitec filters). Since there is no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz with high-end SIM2 projectors, this means each eye sees a full 1080P resolution. Stacking two projectors results in 10,000 ANSI Lumens when watching 2-D sources instead of a single projector setup that is only 5,000 ANSI Lumens.

SIM2 claims the passive Infitec system is the finest 3D in the world in an email I received. However, in the commercial movie theaters the Dolby Infitec system uses a single 144Hz projector setup. I have never heard of a dual projector setup running at 144Hz for Dolby Infitec. In the commercial movie theaters that stack 2 or 4 projectors for Dolby Infitec a static filter is used with each projector using 24Hz output instead of 144Hz. 144Hz in the commercial movie theaters is only used for single projector setups. Therefore, for some reason SIM2 has decided to run both projectors at 144Hz in 3-D mode instead of using 24Hz or 48Hz output for each projector.

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:04 PM

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO 144Hz Projector

Starting price $65,000+

** State of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz **

** Each eye sees full 1080P quality at 144Hz **

The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO uses the latest 3 x 0.95" DarkChip 4 DMDs, and with no resolution lost when the 144Hz flicker free active glasses triple flash technology is automatically activated while playing a Blu-ray 3-D movie. This projector comes with four pairs of active glasses. According to SIM2 engineers in Italy, when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received this SIM2 projector will properly flash the image on the screen at 48Hz. The LAN connection allows for firmware and software updates (plus real-time adjustments and monitoring by a technician over the Internet is an option that can be activated).

The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO starting price is $65,000+. This projector is available in a High Brightness version (5,000 ANSI Lumens) and an Extended Contrast version (3,800 ANSI Lumens).

SIM2 has created an excellent Powerpoint presentation for the SUPERLUMIS PRO .

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:05 PM

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS 144Hz Projector

Starting price $50,000+

** State of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz **

** Each eye sees full 1080P quality at 144Hz **

The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS uses the latest 3 x 0.95" DarkChip 4 DMDs, and with no resolution lost when the 144Hz flicker free active glasses triple flash technology is automatically activated while playing a Blu-ray 3-D movie. This projector comes with four pairs of active glasses. According to SIM2 engineers in Italy, when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received this SIM2 projector will properly flash the image on the screen at 48Hz.

The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS starting price is $50,000+. This projector is available in a High Brightness version (5,000 ANSI Lumens) and an Extended Contrast version (3,800 ANSI Lumens).

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:06 PM

** Warning: All the information in this post is preliminary information and is subject to possible minor changes before the product is released in the fourth quarter of 2014. At any time a projector can be removed or added to the list **

SIM2 NERO 3 DLP 144Hz projector (LED technology)

(Scheduled release date October 2014)

List price $14,000

** Flicker free 144Hz 3-D performance **

** Might have a 144Hz bandwidth limitation (unknown at this time) **

Sometime in October 2014 SIM2 plans on releasing the NERO 3 DLP projector that uses LED technology for $14,000. Like all other modern SIM2 projectors the NERO 3 projector will display 2-D 1080p/24 material at 48Hz. Blu-ray frame packed 3-D movies will be displayed at 144Hz with active glasses. However according to SIM2 at this time since the projector has not been released yet, they do not know if the light engine for this projector will produce a small amount of dropped lines at 144Hz. If the SIM2 NERO 3 does end up dropping lines because of a hardware bandwidth limitation, it most likely in theory would be in the range of 60 to 76 lines of resolution lost (That is what most the other high-end single chip DLP projectors end up dropping when in the 144Hz mode). Therefore, worse case scenario might be 1004P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when watching 3-D movies at 144Hz.

The NERO 3 has a 1,400 ANSI brightness which is equivalent to a 2,000 ANSI Lumens lamp based projector. Some may feel the 3-D image is to dim, however one would need to demo the projector to make sure it is bright enough for the size screen that would be used while watching 3-D movies. LED lifetime is estimated to last around 30,000 hours. Contrast ratio of this Nero 3 LED projector is 30,000:1.

HDTV1080P · 09-18-2014, 10:06 PM

** Warning: All the information in this post is preliminary information and is subject to possible minor changes before the product is released in the fourth quarter of 2014. At any time a projector can be removed or added to the list **

SIM2 NERO 20th DLP 144Hz projector (LED technology)

(Scheduled release date end of October 2014)

List price $9,900

** Flicker free 144Hz 3-D performance **

** Might have a 144Hz bandwidth limitation (unknown at this time) **

Sometime by the end of October 2014 SIM2 plans on releasing the NERO 20th DLP projector that uses LED technology for $9,900. Like all other modern SIM2 projectors the NERO 20th projector will display 2-D 1080p/24 material at 48Hz. Blu-ray frame packed 3-D movies will be displayed at 144Hz with active glasses. However according to SIM2 at this time since the projector has not been released yet, they do not know if the light engine for this projector will produce a small amount of dropped lines at 144Hz. If the SIM2 NERO 20th does end up dropping lines because of a hardware bandwidth limitation, it most likely in theory would be in the range of 60 to 76 lines of resolution lost (That is what most the other high-end single chip DLP projectors end up dropping when in the 144Hz mode). Therefore, worse case scenario might be 1004P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when watching 3-D movies at 144Hz.

The NERO 20th has a 1,200 ANSI brightness which is equivalent to a 1,800 ANSI Lumens lamp based projector. Some may feel the 3-D image is to dim, however one would need to demo the projector to make sure it is bright enough for the size screen that would be used while watching 3-D movies. LED lifetime is estimated to last around 20,000 hours. Contrast ratio of this Nero 20th LED projector is 30,000:1.

08-03-2014, 04:56 AM	#1181
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The Cinema quality frame rate list now includes 3-D 144Hz projectors under $700 The Cinema quality frame rate list now includes 3-D 144Hz projectors at amazing low price of under $700 A few years ago 144Hz triple flash DLP projectors cost around $80,000 for the 3 chip DLP models, now 3-chip DLP 144Hz projectors start at $24,995 in 2014. Single chip DLP 144Hz projectors use to be $11,995. However now one can purchase single chip DLP projectors with 144Hz flicker free Cinema quality triple flash technology for under $700 (also with 3,000 lumens). USA 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D and 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-03-2014 at 05:03 AM.

08-07-2014, 03:37 AM	#1182
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	This state of the art Insight Laser 4K projector from Digital Projection Inc has been added to the list Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K 3-Chip DLP (114-821) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-07-2014 at 06:38 AM.

08-07-2014, 03:39 AM	#1183
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Warning: All the information in this post is preliminary information and is subject to possible minor changes before the product is released in the fourth quarter of 2014. Digital Projections Insight Laser 4K 3-D projector (20,000 hours of solid-state illumination with no lamp replacement required) Dual Projector setup info 4K IMAX 3-D style picture quality occurs when two Insight Laser projectors are stacked together in a dual pipe configuration. Each eye sees a full 4K quality with 24Hz for each eye with no need to triple flash New improved DMD loading sequence and state of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz Single Projector setup info The 144Hz 3-D 4K Insight Laser projector can be configured for a REALD 3-D passive or XpanD 3-D active system Both passive and active glasses on the Insight Laser projector offers full 4K quality for each eye (true 144Hz 4096 x 2160 resolution, with each eye seeing 72Hz). The Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K 3-D projector has top of the line specs and its light engine is state of the art. 3 x 1.38 inch DarkChip DMD is used for this 3-chip 4K DLP projector. This Insight Laser 4K projector has 12,000 ANSI Lumens output for a very bright flicker free 3-D quality in a single projector setup. With two Insight Laser 4K projectors stacked together, a super bright 4K IMAX 3-D style picture quality occurs when using a 4K quality dual pipe movie server. There is no dropped lines at 144Hz on the Insight Laser 4K projector since it has a new state of the art light engine with DMD loading sequence (Native 48Hz 3-D material is displayed at 144Hz by using Cinema quality triple flash technology). In addition, 20,000 hours of solid-state illumination with no lamp replacement is a nice feature. This Insight Laser 4K projector will most likely have a suggested list price of around $120,000 for a single projector setup (A dual projector IMAX style setup would be around $240,000). The current plan is to make the Insight Laser projector with the ability to be frame locked with a 24Hz output for native 2-D 4K 24Hz material and 2-D 1080P 24Hz material. In the commercial movie theaters, DLP projectors output 24Hz with no flicker, and the Insight Laser Projector will also have that capability for 2-D material. Also in a dual projector setup, 3-D has native 48Hz output (24Hz for each eye). The Insight Laser projector will scale native 1080P source material to 3840 x 2160P. 2048P material will be scaled to 4096P. In a single projector setup each eye sees 2-D 24Hz material at 24Hz with no flicker. On a single projector setup for 3-D 48Hz material, the Insight Laser projector operates at the flicker free 144Hz mode with each eye seeing a slightly differnet 4K 72Hz image to produce the 3-D effect (72Hz left eye and 72Hz right eye). In a dual Insight Laser projector setup each eye always sees flicker free 24Hz for both native 2-D 24Hz material and native 3-D 48Hz material. In a dual Insight Laser projector setup native 48Hz 3-D material is displayed at 48Hz (24Hz for each projector). Each projector in a dual projector setup offers flicker free 24Hz with each eye seeing a slightly different 4K 24Hz image to produce the 3-D efect without the need to use triple flash technology (24Hz left eye and 24Hz right eye). Some in the industry believe that the Display Port interface might replace HDMI in the future, or perhaps both interfaces will coexist. The problem with HDMI 2.0 is that it will not support 4K RGB (4:4:4) at 60 fps. Display Port 1.2 is more capable and professional interface. When the Insight Laser 4K projector was being designed by the engineers at Digital Projection INC, HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 was not ready when a commitment to chip sets had to be made. Therefore, the current version of the Insight Laser projector just has the standard HDMI 1.4 interface. The good news is that the Insight Laser projector in the future will become a entire series of projectors. Most likely, the second generation of Insight Laser projectors in theory will have HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. If around the year 2016 a consumer 4K optical disc format launches with a Display Port interface, then the first generation Insight Laser projector should work fine. However if the new 4K consumer optical disc format does use HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 then waiting for the second generation Insight Laser projector would be ideal. In reality the people that are purchasing a state of the art $120,000 4K projector are not interested in streaming low bitrate 3840 x 2160 resolution Netflix movies. Most people interested in the Insight Laser projector will be watching commercial movies at native 4096 x 2160 with their dual pipe movie server. Some select quotes from Digital Projection INC email conversations: “Yes, we will be coming out with the Insight Laser 4K projector soon.” “Much of this was passed on to me by our Engineering team.” “There should not be any dropped lines at 144Hz.” “Our initial plan is to remain frame locked to the 24p. We could choose to frame double to 48fps. Please note that the frame doubling to 48 fps is really a hangover from 35mm projectors, which flickered at 24ps because of the gating mechanism. DLP has very efficient bit sequences, so there will be no flicker at 24fps. By frame doubling from 24, to 48 fps one simply replaces 24p motion artefacts, with a double shuttering artefact.” “In first guise the projector will have very simple scaling that will maintain the aspect ratio of the source, so 1080p will be scaled to 3840 x 2160. Likewise, 2048 will scale up to 4096. We plan to follow slightly later with an arbitrary scaling capability.” “Yes, the Insight 4K will accept 2D 3840x2160 resolution signals. 3840 x 2160 will be mapped to 3840 x 2160. As above, we plan to later enable a more arbitrary scaling capability.” “It looks like the list price will be about $120,000.” “HDMI 2 was not ready at the time we had to commit to chip set selection. Also, HDMI 2 is not capable of carrying 4k RGB (4:4:4) at 60 fps. We reviewed with N-Vidia and others, and determined that Display Port 1.2 is the more capable, professional data interface. I would add that we do have an HDMI 1.4 interface capable of 4k, 60fps, Y, Pr Pb. Our projector will be HDCP enabled.” Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-12-2014 at 08:47 PM. Reason: added some very minor details to increase accuracy

08-19-2014, 05:42 PM	#1184
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	LG’s 55” OLED Display Named ‘King Of TV’ The following are select quotes from the Twice article “The King of TV for 2014 is LG's soon-to-launch 55EC9300 curved-screen OLED FullHD TV, according to a gathering of videophiles, experts and customers of A/V specialty boutique Value Electronics.” “LG continues to manufacture and sell plasma TVs and has not announced plans to discontinue that at this time.” “Unquestionably, OLED is the future display technology for the best TV performance, and I am confident it will be fully adopted by every TV manufacturer within two years,” Zohn told TWICE.” http://www.twice.com/news/tv/lg-s-55-oled-display-named-king-tv/49964 Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-19-2014 at 05:54 PM.

08-20-2014, 06:25 PM	#1185
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Update: A re-count of the votes at the 2014 Value Electronics shootout shows a tie between the 2013 Samsung plasma and the 2014 LG OLED display Plasma motion resolution is better when compared to OLED motion resolution The latest second generation 2014 LG 55EC9300 OLED has the best black levels and contrast ratio, however OLED is not perfect and needs some improvements when compared to plasma display technology. The old 2013 Samsung PN64F8500 plasma display was the winner at color accuracy and motion resolution (sharpness). In fact plasma is much better at motion compared to OLED and LCD screens that require 240Hz or higher. The Samsung plasma runs at 96Hz for native 2-D 1080p/24 signals when Cinema Smooth Plus is turned on . Displays that use 240Hz or higher have additional artifacts since they have to keep repeating the original native 2-D 1080p/24 signal 10 times or more. The reference Pioneer plasmas from 2006-2008 used 72Hz for 2-D 1080p/24 signals and had excellent motion with very little motion artifacts. The ultimate reference display technology for motion is high-end 3-chip DLP projector technology which uses a flicker free 24Hz output without the need to create additional artifacts by increasing the frame rate. All flat panel screens including plasma, OLED, and LCD technologies never output native 24Hz because they would all produce an unwatchable flicker on the screen at 24fps, due to the the limitation of flat panel screen technology (the black time causes the flicker). The ideal flat panel screen if it were every made should output native 24Hz with no flicker (no black time), however that would require a flat panel screen that operated like high-end 3-chip DLP projector technology operates. Even some flat panels have a flicker at 48Hz. Therefore, flat panel screen technology needs to have a minimum output of 60Hz in order to be flicker free. The reference Pioneer plasmas and the current LG plasmas use 72Hz output for native 2-D 1080p/24 material and have less frame rate artifacts when compared to a 96Hz, 120Hz, and 240Hz flat panel screens. A better understanding and research in frame rates has resulted in people understanding that there is no frame rate artifacts at 24Hz if the display technology can handle that frame rate without flickering. In addition, a 72Hz Pioneer plasma and a 96Hz Samsung plasma will have less frame rate motion artifacts compared to a 240Hz OLED display. If OLED is, really such an excellent display technology then it should be able to operate at 72Hz just like all the modern LG plasma displays operate when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received. The reason OLED operates at 240Hz and higher is because there is limitations in the technology that requires it to have a high frame rate in order to offer an excellent picture quality. However, there is frame rate motion artifacts when a display operates at 240Hz or higher. Just like there are bandwidth limitations at 144Hz with many 3-D DLP projectors, there are bandwidth limitations on OLED and LCD flat panel screens when they operate at 240Hz (one of those bandwidth limitations is motion resolution limitations and frame rate artifacts). When it comes to frame rate artifacts and bandwidth limitations the lower the frame rate (Hz) the better. Some display technologies need to operate at higher frame rates (Hz) to reduce the limitations in the technology. So sometimes, a 240Hz LCD will have an overall better picture quality when compared to a 120Hz LCD even though the 240Hz LCD has more frame rate artifacts. Quote “Updated 8/19/2014 6PM EST Value Electronics has advised that after re-tallying the Samsung PN64F8500 collected the most votes across all the categories, and has announced that after deliberation it is now tied with the LG OLED for first place.” http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shootout-2014/ Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-20-2014 at 06:40 PM.

08-29-2014, 06:01 PM	#1186
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	LG might soon stop making plasma screens according to LG’s president Pioneer had an unreleased plasma prototype that had absolute black technology that matched or beat the black levels of OLED displays. In addition, Panasonic had an unreleased plasma prototype that offered 4K QUAD HD resolution. The Pioneer 2006-2008 plasma displays all display 2-D 1080p/24 material using cinema quality 2-D triple flash technology at 72Hz. Between 2011-2013 all LG plasma screens used the same 72Hz cinema quality 2-D triple flash technology that is found in Pioneer plasma displays (prior LG plasma models used either 48Hz or 60Hz for 2-D 1080p/24 signals). Plasma motion at 72Hz has less frame rate artifacts and less motion artifacts when compared to a 240Hz OLED display. The reason why an absolute black plasma screen with 4K QUAD HD resolution is not going to be released to the consumer market is because of energy legislation and power consumption laws would prevent it from happening. It should be mentioned that Pioneer, Panasonic, and Samsung have better black levels when compared to the LG plasma displays. LG plasma displays are very affordable for the average consumer. If more research went into plasma development, it might be possible one day to make absolute black 4K QUAD HD plasmas that meets the current power consumption laws for flat panels. The big secret is plasma technology can outperform OLED technology in terms of picture quality, however its being banned because of strict power consumption laws. One cannot release a 4K QUAD HD plasma display since it would generate more power than is allowed under the power consumption laws for flat panel screens. Also over time, the power consumption laws for flat panel screens keeps being lowered and manufactories have to find new ways to make large flat panel screens that use less power. When a flat panel screen uses less power sometimes the picture quality is not as good compared to a flat panel that used more power. When plasma flat panel technology is gone, OLED flat panel technology will be the king in terms of picture quality by default. The following are select quotes from the Twice news article “Seoul, South Korea – LG is planning to soon announce a decision that many felt was inevitable, and join Panasonic and Samsung in exiting production of plasma TVs.” “Hyun-hwoi told reporters expect an announcement on the issue in the future” “Chinese manufacturer Changhong Electric is the only other manufacturer of plasma displays left, but those products have not made it to the U.S.” http://www.twice.com/news/tv/lg-studying-plasma-exit/53804 Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-29-2014 at 06:30 PM.

08-30-2014, 12:54 AM	#1187
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	In 2014 the LG spec sheets have incorrect pull down information when it comes to Real Cinema technology (Also, some frame rate history for LG plasma screens) A few examples below of the incorrect information in LG spec sheets 1.The 2014 LG LB6300 series LCD flat panels use a 600 Motion Clarity Index (MCI 240 for the 50-inch model) with a native 120Hz locked refresh rate. The LG spec sheet incorrectly lists the 2014 LB6300 series as having “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)”. Flat panels normally have a flicker at 48Hz. It is not possible for the LB6300 series to operate at 48fps (Hz) since the LB6300 series is frame locked at 120fps (Hz). LG should revise their spec sheet to say “Real Cinema 24p (5:5 pull down)”, since each 2-D 1080p/24 frame is repeated 5 times to reach 120Hz when Real Cinema 24p technology is turned on and the frame interpolation motion feature is turned off. 2.The 2014 LG 55EC9300 OLED flat panel spec sheet also incorrectly lists “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)” instead of listing the correct pull down information that matches LG’s OLED native frame rate. 3. LG plasma screens use to be all frame locked at 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown judder when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal was received. However in 2009 LG started making plasma screens that operated at both 48Hz and 60Hz. When film mode was switched on in the LG PS60 and PS80 series 2-D 1080p/24 material used Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down) technology at 48Hz. However, LG discontinued the 48Hz feature. Some people see image flicker on flat panel screens at 48Hz because of limitations in the technology. Between 2011-2013 100% of all LG plasma display models including the lower end 768P models operated at both 72Hz and 60Hz (72Hz is the same technology used on the 2006-2008 reference Pioneer plasma screens). The latest LG plasma screens correctly display native 30fps and native 60fps video based material at 60Hz without using any 3:2 pulldown. In addition, when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received the 2011-2013 LG plasma screens will display the image on the screen at 72Hz when “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pull down)” is turned on. The select few LG plasma models that do offer the 3-D feature, all use the active shutter glass technology at full 1080P quality. However, what is disappointing about the LG 3-D plasma models is that none of them offer the 144Hz (72Hz for each eye) mode when a consumer watches a 3-D movie. Currently all LG plasma screens are using 120Hz (60Hz for each eye) with 3:2 pull down when consumers watch a frame packed Blu-ray. The following is the problem with the spec sheets when it comes to the 2014 LG plasma screens. If one looks at all the spec sheets for the 2011-2013 LG plasma screen models they all list the 72Hz “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pull down)” technology. One example is the 2013 LG 60PH6700 spec sheet which clearly mentions “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pulldown)”. However in 2014 it appears that LG by mistake has listed all their 2014 plasma models with 48Hz “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)” technology instead of 72Hz “Real Cinema 24p (3:3 pull down)” technology. For example the 2014 LG 60PB6900 spec sheet clearly only mentions 48Hz “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)”. Most likely, this is a misprint in all the LG 2014 plasma models since historically 48Hz produces an image flicker. Since the 2011-2013 LG plasma models use flicker free 72Hz technology it would not be logical for the 2014 LG plasma screens to use old 48Hz technology that has flicker issues. Therefore, the theory is that this is just another misprint when it comes to the spec sheets for the 2014 LG plasmas. In summary in the year 2014 LG incorrectly has labeled its new 2014 LCD, OLED, and plasma displays with 48Hz “Real Cinema 24p (2:2 pull down)” technology when in fact none of the 2014 flat panel displays operate at 48Hz to the best of my knowledge. If they did operate at 48Hz people would most likely be complaining of image flicker issues. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-30-2014 at 01:08 AM.

09-06-2014, 08:14 PM	#1188
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Native 4K Blu-ray players and native 4K Blu-ray movies are coming soon according to the CNET article According to the following CNET article, native 4K Blu-ray discs and native 4K Blu-ray players should arrive by the fourth quarter of 2015. I am all for 4K Blu-ray discs arriving in 2015, however realistically the actual launch date could be delayed. Major upgrades to the existing Blu-ray format can result in unforeseen delays. If delays occur then 2016 might be more realistic for the launch of a 4K optical disc format. At the time of this post the DVD forum has not announced any plans to release a native 4K DVD format that is 100% backwards compatible with existing DVD players (each native 4K DVD could contain a multi-layer disc with a mandatory 8.5GB 480i DVD section for 100% backward compatibility for existing DVD players). Therefore, it appears there will be no optical disc 4K format war. The Blu-ray format is improving over time just like the VHS format did many years ago. JVC the inventor of the VHS format released the Super VHS (S-VHS) format to offer 400 lines of resolution compared to standard VHS which is 240 lines of resolution. Then JVC released Digital VHS (D-VHS) with true 1920 x 1080i resolution. In 2006 the Blu-ray Disc Association launched the 2-D 1080P Blu-ray format. Then in 2010, the 3-D Blu-ray format launched. Now the Blu-ray Disc Association is planning to launch the 4K Blu-ray disc format. I was hoping that an entire new 4K optical disc format would have launched instead of getting an extension to the existing Blu-ray format. One of the reasons why consumers will not see a 4K optical disc format war, is because 4K streaming and 4K download services are available now (the streaming providers are in some ways comparable to a 4K format). The streaming providers have their own format war going on. Satellite TV companies and cable companies are also planning to offer 4K programming in the future. Consumers that currently own 4K equipment are now able to get a better picture quality when compared to 1080P Blu-ray discs by downloading or streaming 4K content. However, what has hurt the industry is that if one purchases Sony’s 4K media server they can only use it with a Sony 4K display. Also if one purchases a Samsung 4K media server they can only use it with a Samsung 4K flat panel. 4K Blu-ray discs in theory will be reference quality since they will have a higher bitrate when compared to 4K streaming providers like Netflix (Also at this time 7.1 lossless audio which is bit for bit the same as the studio master is exclusive to the Blu-ray format). Instead of supporting the Cinema quality native resolution of 4096 x 2160, it sounds as if the 4K Blu-ray format will only offer 4K at native 3840 x 2160 which is the resolution that all 4K consumer flat panel screens use (some consumer 4K projectors have native 4096 x 2160 resolutions). Therefore, if the final 4K optical disc format launches with a maximum native resolution of 3840 x 2160, then I plan to change the rules for the Cinema quality frame rate list. The Cinema quality frame rate list current rules only allows 4K projectors with a native resolution of 4096 x 2160. In the future those rules might be extended to 4K flat panel screens and 4K projectors with a native resolution of 3840 x 2160 (Also those 4K displays must also offer both 2-D and 3-D Cinema quality frame rates to be included on the list). The 4K Blu-ray format will also support 1080P frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies. Hopefully the 4K Blu-ray format will offer 4K 3-D quality movies, however I have not heard anything about the 4K format supporting 3-D movies at 4K quality. It would be ideal for the new format to support 4K at 3-D quality instead of having to wait another 4 years for an extension to the 4K Blu-ray format in order to support 3-D quality. The existing Blu-ray format only supports 2-D 1080P at 24fps, however the new Blu-ray 4K format is suppose to support native 4K at up to 60fps which is ideal for some of the 2-D high frame rate movies that are mastered at 48fps and 60fps instead of the industry standard of 24fps. Improved color gamut will also be supported. It is believed that the new 4K Blu-ray format will use 66GB and 100GB Blu-ray discs with a new HEVC codec. The ideal 4K optical disc format should offer at the minimum 100GB size discs which is double the capacity of today’s 50GB Blu-ray discs. In addition, improved DRM and in theory 100% of the 4K equipment will need to have HDCP 2.2 technology in order to view the secure encrypted 4K optical discs at 4K quality. http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-blu-ray-discs-arriving-in-2015-to-fight-streaming-media/ Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-06-2014 at 11:22 PM.

09-08-2014, 04:27 PM	#1189
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The following are select quotes from the TWICE article “Berlin — The first 4K Blu-ray decks, as well as pre-packed 4K Blu-ray discs of Hollywood films, may go on sale as early as the 2015 holiday season, certainly by early 2016.” “The planned 66GB capacity disc will support a 108Mbps transfer rate, while the 100GB disc will handle 128Mbps. Each will support all frame rates 60p and below, and include HEVC/H.265 decoding and HDMI 2.0.” 4K Blu-ray Poised For Holiday 2015 Debut ·

09-15-2014, 05:20 PM	#1190
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	* Important update regarding the term “4K Quad HD” * 4K Quad HD use to mean a resolution of 3840 x 2160, however now the meaning has changed I did some research and back in 2011 “Quad HD” was the term used for 4K projectors instead of the term “Ultra HD”. Check out this professional review link. Quote “What is 4K video? It’s a format that can display a maximum resolution of 4096 x 2160, or sometimes 3840 x 2160, otherwise known as Quad HD.” “The reason for the discrepancy is that full HD content is only 16:9, and is upscaled in the Sony to Quad HD, or 3840 x 2160—just shy of the projector’s full native resolution.” In addition 4K Quad HD is the term used by Engaged and many others when talking about flat panel screens with a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. Therefore in the past 4K displays with a native resolution of 3,840 x 2,160 use to be called 4K Quad HD. Overtime the term Quad HD changed to mean a resolution of 2560 x 1440 instead of a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. Now the term 4K Ultra HD is popular to describe a display with a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. When reading all my old posts that mention the term “4K Quad HD”, or “Quad HD”, 100% of the time I am talking about a minimum resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. Going forward I plan on using the term “4K”, “4K Ultra HD”, or the term “Ultra HD” when describing a display with a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-15-2014 at 05:28 PM.

09-17-2014, 03:45 AM	#1191
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	LG 55EC9300 OLED flat panel (CNET review link) (does not meet the qualifications to be added to the list) Only 540P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when in 3-D mode No Cinema quality 144Hz or 192Hz 3-D mode The LG 55EC9300 has the deepest black levels when compared to any other current flat panel display, however the other picture quality issues raises a red flag. The LG 55EC9300 only offers 540P for each eye when in 3-D mode. Also as far as I am aware this 240Hz OLED flat panel adds 3:2 pulldown judder to each eye when the 3-D mode is engaged (each eye sees 60Hz). To make matters worse according to the CNET review the 2-D motion resolution was only 600 lines with frame interpolation (TruMotion turned on) and 300 lines with the Cinema quality repeating frame method (TruMotion turned off). In theory that would mean in 3-D mode with motion, each eye would see 300 lines with TruMotion on and 150 lines with TruMotion off. The ideal 1080P flat panel screen should have a motion resolution of 1080P in both 2-D and 3-D mode. In addition, the ideal 4K Ultra HD flat panel should have a motion resolution of 2160P. DLP technology is the King when it comes to motion quality. The latest high-end DLP projectors and the latest high-end plasma flat panel displays are capable of 1080P motion. In addition, the Pioneer reference plasma displays from 2006-2008 uses 72Hz and has excellent motion. The LG 55EC9300 OLED display needs to use 240Hz instead of 72Hz do to limitation in the technology when it comes to motion. There can be artifacts when 10:10 pulldown is used for 2-D 1080p/24 material. The ideal flat panel display if it were every made should operate like DLP technology with the ability to handle lower frame rates (Hz). Pioneer and LG plasma screens have beautiful motion quality at 72Hz. When it comes to motion, OLED technology is more comparable to LCD screens instead of plasma screens. In addition, the color quality and video processing quality on LG OLED screens needs to be improved. The LG 55EC9300 is second generation OLED technology and over the years hopefully improvements will be made on future models. The following are select word for word quotes from the CNET review “Motion resolution was also lower than any of the other sets, topping off at 600 lines. That's because the 55EC9300, like all current OLED sets, uses sample and hold technology. All of the TruMotion settings showed 600 lines, with the exception of Off (which hit 300) and User with "de-blurring" set to a lower number.” “The LG OLED lagged behind in its color accuracy and also fell short of their video processing prowess, showing more excessive judder at times.” “The LG 55EC9300 OLED TV's picture betters that of any LCD or plasma TV, with perfect black levels and exceedingly bright whites.” http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-55ec9300/ Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-17-2014 at 03:52 AM.

09-17-2014, 04:07 PM	#1192
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	4K Ultra HD terminology is now official QUOTE: “CEA also announced its Video Division Board approved the use of 4K Ultra HD as terminology to be used by CEA to describe the emerging category of display products with more than 8 million pixels — four times the resolution of FullHD. This updates the terminology adopted by CEA in October 2012 to provide more consistency across the market”. - See more at: http://www.twice.com/news/cea/cea-devises-4k-logos-manufacturers/54031#sthash.5kkl5JoP.dpuf

09-18-2014, 10:01 PM	#1193
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Important updated information regarding SIM2 Projectors All 144Hz 3-Chip SIM2 DLP projectors, use a DMD loading sequence and a state of the art light engine that results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz Each eye sees full 4K quality at 144Hz when a SIM2 4K projector is used Each eye sees full 1080P quality at 144Hz for both active and passive glasses (3-Chip 144Hz 1080P models only) The email communication quality I have had with SIM2 in September 2014 has greatly improved compared to prior years (still not perfect but much better customer service compared to prior years). Some of my questions that I needed answered required direct responses from the SIM2 engineers in Italy. According to the SIM2 engineers in Italy, 100% of the SIM2 144Hz projectors from the year 2011-2014 that use a 3-Chip DLP chipset design, flash 2-D 1080p/24 source material on the screen at 48Hz. I have updated all the old SIM2 144Hz projectors on the list to say “48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources” instead of “72Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources”. Either SIM2 came out with a firmware update to change their projectors from 72Hz to 48Hz, or the 72Hz source I was using was incorrect information. 48Hz is better quality then 72Hz since there is less shuttering artifacts at 48Hz (For example Digital Projection INC has many high-end projectors that operate at a native 24Hz which is even better quality than 48Hz, because 24Hz completely eliminates all shuttering artifacts. Hopefully future SIM2 projectors will use 24Hz instead of 48Hz). According to the SIM2 corporation in Italy (the actual engineers in Italy), 100% of the SIM2 144Hz projectors from the year 2011-2014 have no bandwidth limitations that results in no lost lines at 144Hz. The reason for this is that the 3-Chip SIM2 144Hz projectors are using the latest light engines, and the latest DMD loading sequence combined with 3 x 0.95 inch Darkchip 4 technology. Texas Instruments top of the line Darkchip 4 chipsets also offer the deepest black levels with higher contrast ratios and are only found on high-end projectors. Other manufactories of 144Hz projectors sometimes use older DC1, DC2, or DC3 chipsets which do not offer as deep of black levels. In addition, some other 144Hz DLP projector manufactories might be using a custom version of Texas Instruments chipset that is comparable in quality to the Darkchip 4 technology. It should be mentioned that SIM2 is the only 144Hz projector company currently on the list that mentions in their spec sheets that they are using Darkchip 4 technology. The top of the line, absolute best projector on the list is the Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K for $120,000 that uses 3 x 1.38 inch DarkChip DMD’s. This is Digital Projection INC’s very first 144Hz projector with no bandwidth limitations (no resolution lost at 144Hz). In the future it is my understanding that new 1080P and 4K 144Hz projector designs from Digital Projection INC, will most likely have no resolution lost at 144Hz. So in the future, the 144Hz bandwidth limitation that both Runco and Digital Projection INC mention in some of their owners manuals should become a non-issue when new improved models are released. At this time it’s still unknown if the Optoma 144Hz projectors which use the lower quality Darkchip 3 technology have a bandwidth limitation at 144Hz that results in resolution lost. This means that only the Digital Projection INC Insight Laser 4K projector and 100% of all 3-Chip 144Hz SIM2 projectors are the only documented consumer projectors that have overcome the 144Hz bandwidth limitation issue. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-19-2014 at 01:11 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:02 PM	#1194
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The following SIM2 144Hz 3-D projectors have been moved to the discontinued list SIM2 CINEMAQUATTRO 4K 3-Chip DLP(144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 LUMIS HC 3D-DUO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 LUMIS 3D-SOLO HC 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 LUMIS 3D-SOLO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 LUMIS 3D PF 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-20-2014 at 03:43 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:03 PM	#1195
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The following SIM2 144Hz 1080P 3-D projectors have been added to the list SIM2 Immersive System (SIS) 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 SUPERLUMIS DUO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 SUPERLUMIS 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 NEO 3 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) SIM2 NEO 20th 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-20-2014 at 04:03 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:04 PM	#1196
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	SIM2 Immersive System (1080P dual projector setup) List price $180,000 State of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz Uses two 3-chip DLP Full 1080P Projectors to deliver 1080P quality to each eye with both active and passive glasses No special silver screen needed, uses standard white screens with Dolby 3D Infitec passive glasses The SIM2 Immersive System (SIS) is SIM2’s highest quality 1080P 3-D projector setup. This high-end dual SUPER LUMIS Special Platform system list price is $180,000. When a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received both 1080P 3-chip DLP projectors flash the exact same 2-D images on the screen at 48Hz. What is unique about this SIM2 dual projector setup is that when a frame packed Blu-ray 3-D signal is received, both projectors unpack that native 48Hz Blu-ray 3-D movie, and then both projectors flash the image on the screen at 144Hz using either active or passive glasses (each projector receives the exact same input and then outputs the exact same output for an active glasses setup or slightly different output for passive glasses Infitec filters). Since there is no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz with high-end SIM2 projectors, this means each eye sees a full 1080P resolution. Stacking two projectors results in 10,000 ANSI Lumens when watching 2-D sources instead of a single projector setup that is only 5,000 ANSI Lumens. SIM2 claims the passive Infitec system is the finest 3D in the world in an email I received. However, in the commercial movie theaters the Dolby Infitec system uses a single 144Hz projector setup. I have never heard of a dual projector setup running at 144Hz for Dolby Infitec. In the commercial movie theaters that stack 2 or 4 projectors for Dolby Infitec a static filter is used with each projector using 24Hz output instead of 144Hz. 144Hz in the commercial movie theaters is only used for single projector setups. Therefore, for some reason SIM2 has decided to run both projectors at 144Hz in 3-D mode instead of using 24Hz or 48Hz output for each projector. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-19-2014 at 03:21 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:04 PM	#1197
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO 144Hz Projector Starting price $65,000+ State of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz Each eye sees full 1080P quality at 144Hz The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO uses the latest 3 x 0.95" DarkChip 4 DMDs, and with no resolution lost when the 144Hz flicker free active glasses triple flash technology is automatically activated while playing a Blu-ray 3-D movie. This projector comes with four pairs of active glasses. According to SIM2 engineers in Italy, when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received this SIM2 projector will properly flash the image on the screen at 48Hz. The LAN connection allows for firmware and software updates (plus real-time adjustments and monitoring by a technician over the Internet is an option that can be activated). The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO starting price is $65,000+. This projector is available in a High Brightness version (5,000 ANSI Lumens) and an Extended Contrast version (3,800 ANSI Lumens). SIM2 has created an excellent Powerpoint presentation for the SUPERLUMIS PRO . Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-19-2014 at 05:00 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:05 PM	#1198
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	SIM2 SUPERLUMIS 144Hz Projector Starting price $50,000+ State of the art light engine results in no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz Each eye sees full 1080P quality at 144Hz The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS uses the latest 3 x 0.95" DarkChip 4 DMDs, and with no resolution lost when the 144Hz flicker free active glasses triple flash technology is automatically activated while playing a Blu-ray 3-D movie. This projector comes with four pairs of active glasses. According to SIM2 engineers in Italy, when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received this SIM2 projector will properly flash the image on the screen at 48Hz. The SIM2 SUPERLUMIS starting price is $50,000+. This projector is available in a High Brightness version (5,000 ANSI Lumens) and an Extended Contrast version (3,800 ANSI Lumens). Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-19-2014 at 05:15 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:06 PM	#1199
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Warning: All the information in this post is preliminary information and is subject to possible minor changes before the product is released in the fourth quarter of 2014. At any time a projector can be removed or added to the list SIM2 NERO 3 DLP 144Hz projector (LED technology) (Scheduled release date October 2014) List price $14,000 Flicker free 144Hz 3-D performance Might have a 144Hz bandwidth limitation (unknown at this time) Sometime in October 2014 SIM2 plans on releasing the NERO 3 DLP projector that uses LED technology for $14,000. Like all other modern SIM2 projectors the NERO 3 projector will display 2-D 1080p/24 material at 48Hz. Blu-ray frame packed 3-D movies will be displayed at 144Hz with active glasses. However according to SIM2 at this time since the projector has not been released yet, they do not know if the light engine for this projector will produce a small amount of dropped lines at 144Hz. If the SIM2 NERO 3 does end up dropping lines because of a hardware bandwidth limitation, it most likely in theory would be in the range of 60 to 76 lines of resolution lost (That is what most the other high-end single chip DLP projectors end up dropping when in the 144Hz mode). Therefore, worse case scenario might be 1004P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when watching 3-D movies at 144Hz. The NERO 3 has a 1,400 ANSI brightness which is equivalent to a 2,000 ANSI Lumens lamp based projector. Some may feel the 3-D image is to dim, however one would need to demo the projector to make sure it is bright enough for the size screen that would be used while watching 3-D movies. LED lifetime is estimated to last around 30,000 hours. Contrast ratio of this Nero 3 LED projector is 30,000:1. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-19-2014 at 06:42 AM.

09-18-2014, 10:06 PM	#1200
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Warning: All the information in this post is preliminary information and is subject to possible minor changes before the product is released in the fourth quarter of 2014. At any time a projector can be removed or added to the list SIM2 NERO 20th DLP 144Hz projector (LED technology) (Scheduled release date end of October 2014) List price $9,900 Flicker free 144Hz 3-D performance Might have a 144Hz bandwidth limitation (unknown at this time) Sometime by the end of October 2014 SIM2 plans on releasing the NERO 20th DLP projector that uses LED technology for $9,900. Like all other modern SIM2 projectors the NERO 20th projector will display 2-D 1080p/24 material at 48Hz. Blu-ray frame packed 3-D movies will be displayed at 144Hz with active glasses. However according to SIM2 at this time since the projector has not been released yet, they do not know if the light engine for this projector will produce a small amount of dropped lines at 144Hz. If the SIM2 NERO 20th does end up dropping lines because of a hardware bandwidth limitation, it most likely in theory would be in the range of 60 to 76 lines of resolution lost (That is what most the other high-end single chip DLP projectors end up dropping when in the 144Hz mode). Therefore, worse case scenario might be 1004P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when watching 3-D movies at 144Hz. The NERO 20th has a 1,200 ANSI brightness which is equivalent to a 1,800 ANSI Lumens lamp based projector. Some may feel the 3-D image is to dim, however one would need to demo the projector to make sure it is bright enough for the size screen that would be used while watching 3-D movies. LED lifetime is estimated to last around 20,000 hours. Contrast ratio of this Nero 20th LED projector is 30,000:1. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-19-2014 at 06:51 AM.

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