Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (1977-1983)

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Prequel fans hating on the new movies. Fans of the new movies hating on the prequels. Fans who only like the originals hating on everything else.

Don't forget people who love EVERYTHING ELSE hating TFA. Or people who only like the OT hating TFA.

And every other imaginable combination possible...

That said, if we get something even remotely as enjoyable as TFA, I'm good with that. It's impossible to top what that was for me, both the movie and the experience leading up to it.

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Don't forget people who love EVERYTHING ELSE hating TFA. Or people who only like the OT hating TFA.

And every other imaginable combination possible...

That said, if we get something even remotely as enjoyable as TFA, I'm good with that. It's impossible to top what that was for me, both the movie and the experience leading up to it.

I don't love it all. I do not like the prequels. But I don't hate on any of it or fans. One trip to Star Wars Celebration will tell you it's all very much loved overall.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

They have not been dropped. To drop something means to delete it or no longer include it. And they were never included in this program to begin with, unless you have some insider information that you're willing to share that disproves that.

They're simply not a part of this. You may look at that as semantics but it's the truth.

And, no, I'm not even SLIGHTLY annoyed that they're not included. I'm thrilled, actually. It makes complete sense.

Ok, ok, they're not "dropped", but you know what I meant. They're deliberately not included, for whatever reason, but they are including Episodes IV to VII. I just thought it was a shame, and a bit of slap in the face to John Williams.

I don't understand why you got so defensive when I mentioned it though, I wasn't "hating" on the concert, just pointing out the prequel's exclusion. I understand you strongly dislike the prequels now, like many others, but the scores are still excellent, and that's the purpose of the concert, to appreciate and celebrate the music of the Star Wars saga.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

Ok, ok, they're not "dropped", but you know what I meant. They're deliberately not included, for whatever reason, but they are including Episodes IV to VII. I just thought it was a shame, and a bit of slap in the face to John Williams.

I don't understand why you got so defensive when I mentioned it though, I wasn't "hating" on the concert, just pointing out the prequel's exclusion. I understand you strongly dislike the prequels now, like many others, but the scores are still excellent, and that's the purpose of the concert, to appreciate and celebrate the music of the Star Wars saga.

I'm not defensive in the least. I agree that the scores are very good and I would be thrilled to have a single night of "highlights" from those scores. I think that might sell very well. However, I would never sit through those 3 movies again, never mind pay for it. I'm sickened at having to pay for the SE's. But I'm there for the music and the orchestra, which was fantastic.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I'm not defensive in the least. I agree that the scores are very good and I would be thrilled to have a single night of "highlights" from those scores. I think that might sell very well. However, I would never sit through those 3 movies again, never mind pay for it. I'm sickened at having to pay for the SE's. But I'm there for the music and the orchestra, which was fantastic.

Well, you did kinda snap at me by saying this:

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I don't see you *****ing about Rogue One not being included...

You seem pretty pee'd off and defensive there, when I wasn't trying to start some kind of argument. As I said, I just thought it was a bit of a slap in the face to John Williams to exclude the prequels from this concert, and it felt like it was the Disney machine trying to pretend they don't exist. But like you, I still think there would be an audience for them to be included, in some form.

[rpvee]

I went last night. It was AMAZING! I'm so excited for Empire, Jedi, and Awakens. *I've seen Williams conduct Star Wars music live feet away from me many times, but the music itself seemed to have so much more umph and power here. Not sure if it was the venue (one of the most legendary concert halls of all time), the orchestra, or just because I was up on the balcony, but the actual sound and power of the music was amazing.

I'm so excited for Empire, Jedi, and Force Awakens. *Star Wars was extraordinary - the power of the drums during the Tusken Raider attack, the dramatic roll and burst of the Imperial/Death Star theme, the gentle beauty of Leia's theme (which I've heard live before, but matched with her scenes,*it was even better), the thunderous Throne Room - truly breathtaking. *Even the Main Title was even better, live and unrestricted from the not-as-full-sounding '77 recording that was limited by the tech at the time (I love the OST, but it does have that older-recorded-score sound that's hard to describe).
*
Imagining what this will be like with the Imperial March during Vader's first scene in Empire, the furious Clash of the Lightsabers, the heartbreaking carbon freezing chamber scene,*that dramatic Imperial March statement after Vader's famous line, the Emperor's theme in Jedi, Luke and Vader's final duel, the harp when Anakin dies, and so much more... this will all be mind blowing. *I just wonder what they'll do about the choirs in Jedi and Awakens. *It was a shame Cantina Band wasn't live, so who knows? *Nevertheless, I can't wait.

[aiman04]

Is John Williams conducting in the concert?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

You seem pretty pee'd off and defensive there, when I wasn't trying to start some kind of argument. As I said, I just thought it was a bit of a slap in the face to John Williams to exclude the prequels from this concert, and it felt like it was the Disney machine trying to pretend they don't exist. But like you, I still think there would be an audience for them to be included, in some form.

You're reading into that and taking it the wrong way. It's meant to be flippant, not argumentative.

But, again, I'm all for Disney pretending they don't exist. We're all better off ignoring that they ever happened.

Originally Posted by aiman04

Is John Williams conducting in the concert?

No. Scroll up. It's David Newman.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Blunt truth - the sequels suck so much

To be fair, you've only seen one of them so far. You never know, they could get better!

[rpvee]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Is John Williams conducting in the concert?

No, David Newman is. But Williams does a small series of film music concerts in Boston and LA every year, which have allowed me to see him 9 times and meet him during a few of those!

[Porco Azzurro]

Thanks very much to IndyMLVC for the program photos, I'm sure it would be great hearing any of those orchestra performances.

I love all of Star Wars... 'blunt truth' : lots of people do.

But at the same time I don't see it as some huge slap in the face against either Williams or Star Wars to not have included the prequels' scores in that series of performances. There could be many reasons why this was the case, from the false perception that 'everyone'™ hates the prequels, to Disney/Lucasfilm wanting to concentrate on the original trilogy and sequels at the moment because of where they're at with the films being released, to maybe the orchestra just didn't want to have to practice for 7 films at once, or maybe demand was assumed to be too high for the ones they did to put on another 3 nights, or that it would get too expensive for people to go to all 7... or other reasons I haven't even thought of.

[aiman04]

Lol, everyone™, nice one. You nailed it. Just love the internet, putting all his own opinions using the word everyone™ as if he represents everyone™ on the planet.

[Lutz]

So the final shot in the Han Solo movie is going to be him in the Mos Eisley cantina shooting Greedo in cold blood and then it will cut to an advert that Lucasfilm will be releasing the unaltered trilogy on home video...

[aiman04]

Not possible. Solo is supposed to be 10 years younger in the spin-off. Unless they want to flash forward, but then I'm sure they want to do more spin-offs with the young actor.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Lol, everyone™, nice one. You nailed it. Just love the internet, putting all his own opinions using the word everyone™ as if he represents everyone™ on the planet.

Who said everyone?

[Ernest Rister]

Sadly, the only time I've heard a live orchestra perform music to great classic films was a celebration of music for the Warner Bros. Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies shorts...conductor was going through the motions, would even walk offstage (I have a sneaky suspicion the dude was drunk). He comes back, says some blatant bullshit -- my wife told me I should I go backstage and correct him, of all things, I told her no...anyway...the conductor only mentioned Carl Stalling once. I'm in the Majestic in San Antonio -- the same venue George Strait held his Hurricane Harvey relief concert last week -- he mentions Carl Stalling, and in this giant house, I was the only one who started clapping at the mention of his name. Conductor says, "Yes. Please." and then the whole place started clapping.

Anyhoo, the Maestro did great work in the Prequels, I don't think his work was served well by Lucas futzing with things again and again and tracking his music because of Lucas constantly re-editing, Williams never had a locked print to score to. Still, great work. Sometimes you have to start the applause.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Who said everyone?

Well....

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Blunt truth - the prequels suck, as films, by and large.

Blunt truth - the prequels suck so much that they KNEW they wouldn't be able to sell them as programs as this thing tours around the world. Feel free to deny that but if they could make a buck off of it, they would. It simply won't sell seats.

You don't say "everyone" specifically, but it's pretty much inferred by your comments, that you think they are "officially" regarded as terrible by everyone, and therefore they wouldn't make any money in a concert like this. Maybe you were being flippant again though, not sure?

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Anyhoo, the Maestro did great work in the Prequels, I don't think his work was served well by Lucas futzing with things again and again and tracking his music because of Lucas constantly re-editing, Williams never had a locked print to score to. Still, great work. Sometimes you have to start the applause.

Yes, the prequels, though stylistically quite different at times from the OT scores, are quite superb. But it's sad that they were chopped up so much, I think it's Clones' score that was particularly spoilt in this regard. Reminds me a bit of the fantastic cue in TESB, when the Falcon is escaping from Cloud City. It's an amazing, propulsive piece of music, that is then hacked up due to the Special Edition changes to that scene. Sigh.

[ahossein79]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Oh my goodness....because the prequels suck as films, especially as Star Wars films. How many years and threads do we have to keep going over this. You like them fine but they will always be considered by the masses as fodder, the films and the scores. The only thing even memorable about the prequels is Duel of the Fates and Darth Maul. That's it, nothing else is even redeemable out of three efforts.

That is your OPINION this is why I am HATE Star Wars fans and the irony is I am 38 and I have dedicated most of my life to living and breathing Star Wars and collecting as much memorabilia as possible. I have no problem with differing opinions I don't care what someone like's I have a problem when people abrasively makes a statement as if were fact. As much as I disagree with IndyMLVC he has a much saner approach to the prequels than someone like stephn1974 who turns every thread into lame comedy which is becoming downright pathetic and add's absolutely nothing. Get over it Sarah the world of Star Wars doesn't revolve around you nor should it I am sick of fans who feel they are entitled to have say on a franchise because they emotionally or financially invested in the movies. As much as I have invested both I don't feel I should have a say nor should any other fan and if you don't like what you are being given you have a choice either enjoy what you want to let others be and stop whining or find something else to do with your life

[aiman04]

Making a film is always a work in progress until release date, sometimes even beyond that. With reshoots and changes in such a music-heavy film there will be some challenge editing them together. The music plays almost non-stop. But I only heard about issues only in Clones before, not the other two of the prequels. The music was edited nicely especially in Menace. So I don't know where did this new complants come from.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Oh my goodness....because the prequels suck as films, especially as Star Wars films. How many years and threads do we have to keep going over this. You like them fine but they will always be considered by the masses as fodder, the films and the scores. The only thing even memorable about the prequels is Duel of the Fates and Darth Maul. That's it, nothing else is even redeemable out of three efforts.

The masses? Kindly show us the statistics, how the survey was conducted, the scientific methods, and so on along with the audit report by PWC. So what are we talking about here, 6.9 billion out of 7 billion humans on the planet? Or only 10 out of 7 billion like the prequels? Enlighten us.