81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[LeoneFan]

Can someone please explain to me which week of releases these latest numbers include. Is this the week with no Blu-ray releases? Thanks.

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Can someone please explain to me which week of releases these latest numbers include. Is this the week with no Blu-ray releases? Thanks.

No it's the week before when there were no HD-DVD releases, but the Blu-ray releases weren't exactly strong either (just one got in the top 10).

Gazza

[hyperdine]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Okay, I got tired of waiting and did some photoshopping myself. This is what I'm talking about, pwnage!...

How can any HD-DVD fan look at that and have confidence in their format? I want some of whatever it is they are smoking, drinking, snorting...whatever it is, it must be some really good s*** and apparently they're sharing it with Universal and Paramount, but not with the rest of us

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

The reason I see standalone players as vitally important, and particularly non-Sony players, is to emphasise to people that Blu-ray is NOT just a Sony proprietary format.

When people see a range of standalone players from a wide variety of manufacturers, it sends the message that Blu-ray is an industry standard format.

Mind you cheaper disc prices on the UK high street would help as well.

Gazza

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by hyperdine

How can any HD-DVD fan look at that and have confidence in their format? I want some of whatever it is they are smoking, drinking, snorting...whatever it is, it must be some really good s*** and apparently they're sharing it with Universal and Paramount, but not with the rest of us

As comparing numbers goes I agree, I assume it's because those numbers are so small in relation to DVD sales and where the HD market might go, that it's a bit early yet to predict where it might all go. In that respect Warner appear to have got it right at this stage by hedging their bets.

Gazza

[owa]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

Only that I think the impact of the PS3 will diminish over time, so attach rates are important.

Gazza

Why is that since their (PS3) numbers should only increase over time?

[LeoneFan]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

No it's the week before when there were no HD-DVD releases, but the Blu-ray releases weren't exactly strong either (just one got in the top 10).

Gazza

Well then why is everyone getting so excited, this is all that great considering the cirmustances.

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by owa

Why is that since their (PS3) numbers should only increase over time?

Only because it still seen as a games machine by the majority of people, and as those games start appearing, and the price falls on stand-alones (the new samsung BP1400 is now the cheapest BD player here in the UK by about £100). it will lose its relevance in this war.

Gazza

[jw]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Very good point! None one of them Universal or Paramount. Hmm, maybe Blu-ray hasn't had such a loss afterall with Paramount defecting.

I know Transformers will hurt, but what is interesting is that I thought HD DVD would have sold a ton more Batman Begins than they did. So, maybe Transformers won't hurt as much as I'm thinking given the almost non-existant user base of HD DVD.

Very good point!!! I noticed as well that hddvd really only had two real individual sellers, as the other 2 were combos. so you dont know if they were accidental buys or people buying for the future format with no actual concept of whats going on

[monkyman]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Well then why is everyone getting so excited, this is all that great considering the cirmustances.

I don't see anyone getting excited, it was just a good week. Next week it will probibly be a bit closer.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Where is the HD DVD saviour known as "The Matrix Trilogy"? Wasn't that title supposed to have ended this war?

Oh and as for next week...well I bought 5 titles today and am still looking for "Roving Mars" and "Blue Planet"....

Everyone buy a BD this weekend!

[MrVorhees]

PLEASE everybody, look at 'bruceames' statement on HDD about this weeks numbers:

Originally Posted by bruceames

Yet the numbers are disappointing for Blu-ray. I'm happy with the results, but if you're happy too, then I'm glad for you.

isnt this the almost most funniest statment ever? I mean what are these HD DVD fanboys thinking? "yea we lost this weeks numbers again, but BD should have done it better, so yes we won ? "

[What'sHD]

Originally Posted by Iceman_II

No, its the TITLE that is approaching the number of drives sold!

har good one (took me a while to get it though)

Final stop for hd-dvd sales: 10,000 B.C.

[dakota81]

I'm puzzled how House of Flying Daggers is the 10th best selling title of the week, sold better than all HD DVD titles except for 300 & Planet Earth. Was there some sort of promotion involving this movie somewhere?

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

Only that I think the impact of the PS3 will diminish over time, so attach rates are important.

And listening to both sides recent announcements they do as well, and standalone sales, and disc sales.

Gazza

Attach rates are a red herring created by one side to distract people from the obvious. The simple truth is that no one really knows what the attach rates are because it is impossible to know how many people really utilize the PS3 extensively for BD viewing

The only rational assumption on attach rates is that they are probably about equal for for all who use the standalones or PS3 for serious BD viewing.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

Of course it is, I've got one. At the time, it was the only affordable one. I'm just not sure long term that it will be that way. For me, as the games start coming, its going to get moved to the games room, and replaced with a standalone player, but with Paramounts defection, this "war" isn't going to go away anytime soon, and I'm just not sure we cany rely on the PS3 to drive home that advantage. I was questioning the apparent numbers advantage in the players, rather take everything on blind faith that everything will be all right in the end.

Gazza

Not sure how you conclude that the rest of us are relying on "blind faith". You seem good at making these very long leaps in logic. Also if you agree that the PS3 is a valid standalone, then it's likely that as consumers become better educated on HD movies, blu-ray and the PS3's capabilities that more people who own a PS3 console will actually utilize it. That's not such a great leap.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

The reason I see standalone players as vitally important, and particularly non-Sony players, is to emphasise to people that Blu-ray is NOT just a Sony proprietary format.

When people see a range of standalone players from a wide variety of manufacturers, it sends the message that Blu-ray is an industry standard format.

Now that I agree with.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

Only because it still seen as a games machine by the majority of people, and as those games start appearing, and the price falls on stand-alones (the new samsung BP1400 is now the cheapest BD player here in the UK by about £100). it will lose its relevance in this war.

Gazza

Still think you're reading way too much into the tea leaves. Its relevance IS its importance early in the war when some companies, Blockbuster for example, are making key decisions. Besides you may be wrong even in time that it loses relevance. As other players get sold it will lose its share of the HD market, but it will always be the #1 HD optical player by a wide margin.

[caliminius]

Originally Posted by hyperdine

How can any HD-DVD fan look at that and have confidence in their format? I want some of whatever it is they are smoking, drinking, snorting...whatever it is, it must be some really good s*** and apparently they're sharing it with Universal and Paramount, but not with the rest of us

I wouldn't have confidence in HD-DVD with those numbers. Take a look at the Top 20 Blu-Ray vs. the Top 20 HD-DVD sales. X-Men: The Last Stand is the 20th best selling Blu-Ray disc for the year but it has sold more copies than all but 6 HD-DVD discs.

Likewise, looking at the combined high-def sales, only one HD-DVD exclusive title is in that list, Batman Begins, and that is supposed to hit Blu-Ray before year's end.

And I'd like to point out there are NO Paramount flicks in the Blu-Ray top 20 and a mere 2 in the HD-DVD top 20 (maybe that will change as people rush out to grab the Paramount Blu-Ray discs before they disappear for 18 months). Also, if Warner were to go Blu-Ray exclusive, half of HD-DVD's top 20 would cease to exist.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by dakota81

I'm puzzled how House of Flying Daggers is the 10th best selling title of the week, sold better than all HD DVD titles except for 300 & Planet Earth. Was there some sort of promotion involving this movie somewhere?

Best Buy had it on sale for $13.99