81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[shug7272]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

I think those numbers proves one thing, it will be stand-alone players that win this war, not the PS3. If there's an installed user base of blu-ray capable players out there in the region 10:1, sales of 2:1 must be a little disappointing don't you think?

Gazza

Doesnt prove much. There is no telling how many people WOULD buy Blu Ray if they realized the PS3 can play em. Even if one out of eight PS3 owners purchase Blu Rays it still kills HD DVD. I look at it this way, stand alone sales are about even if not more for HD DVD. So that would be 1:1. Sales of movies show 2:1. Thats alot of PS3 being used as blu ray. Also we have seen 300 RAPE HD DVD. So apparently PS3 owners will come out of the wood works for good films. With Spider Man coming I see little hope for the DUD.

[The Guardian]

Aren't 300 HDDVD sales approaching the total number of HDDVD drives yet?

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

I want Gazza to nail down what he is trying to say. Do you want to count PS3 as legit HD players or not? Just nail that down 1st before we go any further.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

BTW, I love the "Matrix" add trying to push HD-DVD on pages HD6. Dude, no one even bought that movie. Not even YTD Top 20. Do they really think it will push hardware? LOL.

[Iceman_II]

Originally Posted by The Guardian

Aren't 300 HDDVD sales approaching the total number of HDDVD drives yet?

No, its the TITLE that is approaching the number of drives sold!

[GasCat]

Is it fair to use Planet Earth as a gauge for new customers?
That's the only benefit I could see is that HD-DVD has more new customers than Blu-Ray.

It's funny though that 300 on Blu-Ray wipes out their two top movies. The combo discs obscure who is a HD buyer and who is a DVD buyer. These are horrific numbers for all HD-DVD studios.

[mattym]

paramount looked at those figures and decided that it was cheaper to make hddvd, i see that now, they dont have to make very many at all to sell to hddvd owners ...i wonder how many hddvd players were bought as upscalers or replacements for cheap g1 machines?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by GasCat

Is it fair to use Planet Earth as a gauge for new customers?
That's the only benefit I could see is that HD-DVD has more new customers than Blu-Ray.

I don't follow. For many weeks now the Blu-ray sales of PE have well exceed the sales for HD DVD.

Gary

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Okay, I got tired of waiting and did some photoshopping myself. This is what I'm talking about, pwnage!...

Oh woe is me, look at all those Universal and Paramount titles.

Lionsgate had a title that outsold everything put out by the two anti-Blu-ray studios (I won't call them pro-HD DVD since it doesn't appear they care much about HD DVD).

Gary

[Blu-Light]

Sweet! Die Hd-DUD Die!!!

[tvted]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

I think those numbers proves one thing, it will be stand-alone players that win this war, not the PS3. If there's an installed user base of blu-ray capable players out there in the region 10:1, sales of 2:1 must be a little disappointing don't you think?

Gazza

My comment comes from a post I made on AVS in response to a critique of the PS3 might be appropriate here.

Have you noticed how many new player announcements there have been ffrm the BDA? They are wll aware that standalones provide the depth for long term HDM purchases. The PS3 has always been the loss leader - allowing the format to develop to the point that standalones can be marketed with full specs and viable systems. Hard core film purchasers will likely gravitate towards standalones - except for those hardware geeks amongst us who find the flexability and power of the PS3 admirable.

The PS3 provides the breadth i.e. the confirmed film viewer who is also a hardware wonk and won't let games or 300 sully his collection, to the boi who walks into BB and thinks that muscular fellows in skirts is a must have on his display. Do people honestly think that the BDA's long term goals are solely based on the PS3? It is the ocean, there will be lots of islands to stand on.

ted

[Therickus]

Originally Posted by GasCat

Is it fair to use Planet Earth as a gauge for new customers?
That's the only benefit I could see is that HD-DVD has more new customers than Blu-Ray.

It's funny though that 300 on Blu-Ray wipes out their two top movies. The combo discs obscure who is a HD buyer and who is a DVD buyer. These are horrific numbers for all HD-DVD studios.

I don't even know that I would go that far. With HD-DUD's whole emphasis on pricing, I am guessing that it just took them that long to save up to buy it.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Oh woe is me, look at all those Universal and Paramount titles.

Lionsgate had a title that outsold everything put out by the two anti-Blu-ray studios (I won't call them pro-HD DVD since it doesn't appear they care much about HD DVD).

Gary

Very good point! None one of them Universal or Paramount. Hmm, maybe Blu-ray hasn't had such a loss afterall with Paramount defecting.

I know Transformers will hurt, but what is interesting is that I thought HD DVD would have sold a ton more Batman Begins than they did. So, maybe Transformers won't hurt as much as I'm thinking given the almost non-existant user base of HD DVD.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

I think those numbers proves one thing, it will be stand-alone players that win this war, not the PS3. If there's an installed user base of blu-ray capable players out there in the region 10:1, sales of 2:1 must be a little disappointing don't you think?

Gazza

No, its not at all disappointing, considering that me or you don't know how many PS3s are actually being used for movie viewing.

If Sony is smart, during the holidays, they ought to hang signs up in the B&M stores like "Got a PS3? Start Watching High-def Blu-ray Movies Now!" to make the public more aware of just how powerful their game machine really is.

Furthermore, I don't see how you can come to such a conclusion in regards to a list of disc sales, as it simply tells me that more people out there have hardware with a Blu-ray logo out there and that more of them are buying and watching movies. Why do I need to bother myself with you guesstimates in attach rate? A: We don't.

And here's a hint, all the studios left with a brain and not bribed don't either.

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

I want Gazza to nail down what he is trying to say. Do you want to count PS3 as legit HD players or not? Just nail that down 1st before we go any further.

Of course it is, I've got one. At the time, it was the only affordable one. I'm just not sure long term that it will be that way. For me, as the games start coming, its going to get moved to the games room, and replaced with a standalone player, but with Paramounts defection, this "war" isn't going to go away anytime soon, and I'm just not sure we cany rely on the PS3 to drive home that advantage. I was questioning the apparent numbers advantage in the players, rather take everything on blind faith that everything will be all right in the end.

Gazza

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

Of course it is, I've got one. At the time, it was the only affordable one. I'm just not sure long term that it will be that way. For me, as the games start coming, its going to get moved to the games room, and replaced with a standalone player, but with Paramounts defection, this "war" isn't going to go away anytime soon, and I'm just not sure we cany rely on the PS3 to drive home that advantage. I was questioning the apparent numbers advantage in the players, rather take everything on blind faith that everything will be all right in the end.

Gazza

You can't rely on the PS3 to drive BLu-Ray forever.

But it won't, and nobody thinks or expects it to. Will BD standalones stay at $500 forever? Will HD-DVD always have the pricing advantage? That's doubtful...the PS3's relevance to the HD format war has to do with NOW...2007...2008 also...but as time goes on, its relevance will shrink...as will the disparity in stand-alone prices.

So unless you're arguing that standalones are going to win the war in 2007...I think you need to look at this from a more long term point of view. BD isn't just a PS3 format...it may be leaning on it heavily right now, but that's hardly the long term strategy.

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Furthermore, I don't see how you can come to such a conclusion in regards to a list of disc sales, as it simply tells me that more people out there have hardware with a Blu-ray logo out there and that more of them are buying and watching movies. Why do I need to bother myself with you guesstimates in attach rate? A: We don't.

Only that I think the impact of the PS3 will diminish over time, so attach rates are important.

And listening to both sides recent announcements they do as well, and standalone sales, and disc sales.

Gazza

[gazzared_typer]

Originally Posted by kowhite

You can't rely on the PS3 to drive BLu-Ray forever.

But it won't, and nobody thinks or expects it to. Will BD standalones stay at $500 forever? Will HD-DVD always have the pricing advantage? That's doubtful...the PS3's relevance to the HD format war has to do with NOW...2007...2008 also...but as time goes on, its relevance will shrink...as will the disparity in stand-alone prices.

So unless you're arguing that standalones are going to win the war in 2007...I think you need to look at this from a more long term point of view. BD isn't just a PS3 format...it may be leaning on it heavily right now, but that's hardly the long term strategy.

I think we both said the same thing, bot obviously, I didn't do it quite as well.

Gazza

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by gazzared_typer

I think we both said the same thing, bot obviously, I didn't do it quite as well.

Gazza

Ha, maybe not, since I thought I was disagreeing with you!

[NutsAboutPS3]

The reason I see standalone players as vitally important, and particularly non-Sony players, is to emphasise to people that Blu-ray is NOT just a Sony proprietary format.

When people see a range of standalone players from a wide variety of manufacturers, it sends the message that Blu-ray is an industry standard format.