James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Man, Skyfall's rep has sure went to the toilet. Everyone was tripping overthemselves to praise the movie when it was first released.

I liked it a lot when I saw it in the cinema, but I do find myself liking it less with every re-watch. The first half's very strong, and then it goes a bit shit.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Most underrated: Quantum of Solace

Most overrated: Skyfall

QOS is bad. It's the last Bond movie I saw and the action scenes are bad enough to sink the movie for me.

[jackinbox]

Originally Posted by Michael24

* Official Bond movies only, so no Never Say Never Again

It's still a James Bond movie in the legal sense (according to London's High Court).
I'm aware it's not produced by EON, but it's Sean Connery playing James Bond 007. It has Moneypenny, Q, Blofeld, Felix Leiter and M.

If we were going to rank the Pink Panther films, we wouldn't leave out Return Of The Pink Panther just because it wasn't a United Artists production.

I still think it's a pretty good Bond. It's not among the best, but it's certainly better than many that came later. Plus, it was great to have Connery back for one last time.

[SuperFlyHighGuy]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

QOS is bad. It's the last Bond movie I saw and the action scenes are bad enough to sink the movie for me.

Interesting, I actually enjoy it more than Casino Royale. But, I didn't get into the Craig films until Spectre, which I thought was great.

My top 5:
Goldfinger
From Russia With Love
The Living Daylights
OHMSS
A View to a Kill

Bottom 5:
For Your Eyes Only
Brosnan

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by SuperFlyHighGuy

Bottom 5:
For Your Eyes Only
Brosnan

[darkness2918]

From Russia with Love is my favorite 007 film but my favorite Bond is Brosnan (he's the one I grew up with & got me into 007 to begin with). My least liked 007 film is easily On Her Majasty's Secret Service & Lazenby is also my least favorite Bond.

[Nailwraps]

Originally Posted by jackinbox

If we were going to rank the Pink Panther films, we wouldn't leave out Return Of The Pink Panther just because it wasn't a United Artists production. [/IMG]

Even though ironically they distributed it and own the copyright to this day.

Even more ironically is the fact that NSNA was originally distributed by Warner who now has full control of the pre-86 MGM library while MGM now has control of that film.

What's more, I don't understand why MGM doesn't sublicensed out or even re-release themselves the non-EON movies.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by Man From Hammer

I was clarifying the audio point because I didn't understand what you were trying to say about it.
And as it applied to the exact same discs it seemed worth mentioning the difference about the documentaries too. Hardly waffle, more like FACTS.

Sorry if its confusing

Wandering off on a tangent made it impossible to follow what you were talking about.

Some of the Connery films list "Original English Mono" as an audio option. Other Connery films list "English Mono" as an audio option. This implies the latter tracks, while mono, differ from the originals.

Live and Let Die is back to offering "Original English Mono".

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude1984

Great lists everyone - seems we're largely all in a consensus


Goldeneye (Good = villains, story; Bad = theme song isn't the best)

The Goldeneye theme is pretty good I think, but I'm a TT fan, so...

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

From Russia with Love is my favorite 007 film but my favorite Bond is Brosnan (he's the one I grew up with & got me into 007 to begin with). My least liked 007 film is easily On Her Majasty's Secret Service & Lazenby is also my least favorite Bond.

It's my favourite, too.

Donald 'Red' Grant (Robert Shaw), is one of the most credible and menacing Bond villains there is.

Besides the villains and the classic fight aboard the train, I like it because this is a straight forward spy thriller.

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Man, Skyfall's rep has sure went to the toilet. Everyone was tripping overthemselves to praise the movie when it was first released.

Not I! I've had Skyfall pegged as a turkey since I first laid eyes on it. Sure, it's purdy. Oh so very purdy. But it makes no sense. Silva's 'plan' is a steaming pile of nonsensical garbage.

[Man From Hammer]

Originally Posted by jackinbox

It's still a James Bond movie in the legal sense (according to London's High Court).
I'm aware it's not produced by EON, but it's Sean Connery playing James Bond 007. It has Moneypenny, Q, Blofeld, Felix Leiter and M.

If we were going to rank the Pink Panther films, we wouldn't leave out Return Of The Pink Panther just because it wasn't a United Artists production.

I still think it's a pretty good Bond. It's not among the best, but it's certainly better than many that came later. Plus, it was great to have Connery back for one last time.

Return of the Pink Panther is an official PP movie because its put together by basically the same team unlike NSNA which was made to compete with the official series and could only be produced because of a legal technicality. Had they not been able to cast Connery it would never have been made

[Man From Hammer]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

Even though ironically they distributed it and own the copyright to this day.

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Copyright on Return of the Pink Panther lies with ITV who own it outright because it was made by ITC ,which is why it was never usually included in boxsets but I believe they negotiated a deal with MGM for US rights in the last couple of years which might be in perpetuity

Originally Posted by koberulz

Wandering off on a tangent made it impossible to follow what you were talking about.

I don't know about the different labels for mono , was just pointing out that for the individual discs in the UK at least no original tracks and for everybody no HD documentaries.

Could it be that the "original English mono" label is on the Bond 50 premiers while "mono" was the label used for the separate discs - or vice versa

[koberulz]

We're in the North America section, why do you keep bringing up European releases?

[jackinbox]

Originally Posted by Man From Hammer

Return of the Pink Panther is an official PP movie because its put together by basically the same team unlike NSNA which was made to compete with the official series and could only be produced because of a legal technicality. Had they not been able to cast Connery it would never have been made

I've never seen anyone exclude The Hound Of The Baskervilles or The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes whenever a list is made ranking the Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes films. They were entirely different productions...different producers, different directors, different studios etc. The only thing in common between those films and the later ones made at Universal is the casting of Rathbone and Bruce.

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by jackinbox

I've never seen anyone exclude The Hound Of The Baskervilles or The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes whenever a list is made ranking the Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes films. They were entirely different productions...different producers, different directors, different studios etc. The only thing in common between those films and the later ones made at Universal is the casting of Rathbone and Bruce.

That's the kind of thing we could debate and scrutinize until we go crazy!

Look at the Hannibal Lecter films.

Are Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal & Red Dragon one series because they all star Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter?

OR:

Are Manhunter, Hannibal and Red Dragon one series because Dino De Laurentiis produced them?

OR:

Are Manhunter, Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal one series because they are all currently owned by the same studio who issued them together on a triple-feature blu-ray?

I figure if you choose to include or exclude whatever films from your personal list for whatever reason, that's your prerogative.

[Man From Hammer]

Originally Posted by koberulz

We're in the North America section, why do you keep bringing up European releases?

I'm comparing different versions of the same title.
Discussion of alternate versions of movies is standard practice.

One thing I know for sure is that for any movie that gets released in any territory anyone interested in buying it will want to know if there is a better or different version available.

And although I usually prefer the remixes I know a lot of people prefer the original soundtracks and are interested to know the specifics of which discs they need to buy to get them.

[Man From Hammer]

Originally Posted by jackinbox

I've never seen anyone exclude The Hound Of The Baskervilles or The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes whenever a list is made ranking the Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes films. They were entirely different productions...different producers, different directors, different studios etc. The only thing in common between those films and the later ones made at Universal is the casting of Rathbone and Bruce.

Nor with the Tarzan films either

The Bond series has one official studio that has produced the films for 56 years.
NSNA was never part of the series and was owned by another studio until the legal case in the last 15 years which also brought the 1967 Casino Royale home too.

I never mentioned whether it should be in personal rankings. That's a personal choice .
Whether your list includes it won't change that NSNA is not part of the official Bond series anymore than the 1967 Casino Royale. Never has been never will be and is not acknowledged by the Bond team at all

[MJD64]

Originally Posted by jackinbox

I've never seen anyone exclude The Hound Of The Baskervilles or The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes whenever a list is made ranking the Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes films. They were entirely different productions...different producers, different directors, different studios etc. The only thing in common between those films and the later ones made at Universal is the casting of Rathbone and Bruce.

I take your point and even agree with it, jackinbox, but I believe the reason NSNA is so divisive among Bond purists is that Roger Moore was the established 007 at the time of its release in 1983; in a way, Connery had become an interloper making a competing film to the series he'd made famous and had abandoned over a decade ago. It surely didn't help that NSNA is a remake of Thunderball, a film already done nearly two decades previous in the "legit" EON-produced entries. Rathbone and Bruce were the ONLY Holmes and Watson at that time; those Fox-produced films that preceded the Universal series didn't, in retrospect, feel like they were stepping on toes, so to speak.

Of course, that's just a theory I have. Personally, any movie where Sean Connery plays 007 is a James Bond film to me...and I enjoyed it more than 1965's Thunderball.

[jackinbox]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

That's the kind of thing we could debate and scrutinize until we go crazy!

Look at the Hannibal Lecter films.

Are Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal & Red Dragon one series because they all star Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter?

OR:

Are Manhunter, Hannibal and Red Dragon one series because Dino De Laurentiis produced them?

OR:

Are Manhunter, Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal one series because they are all currently owned by the same studio who issued them together on a triple-feature blu-ray?

I figure if you choose to include or exclude whatever films from your personal list for whatever reason, that's your prerogative.

Great example!

I would say that if someone put up a poll to rank the Hannibal Lecter movies, they would likely include them all.

I just find it annoying that anytime I have a discussion with someone about James Bond movies, if I bring up NSNA, they always say "You can't count that one! It's not a real Bond movie!"

There's no other series of films where this happens (that I can think of anyway). People get a knee-jerk reaction about this film and want to pretend that it never existed.