James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections

[MJD64]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude1984

I think Never Say Never Again should be included in any Bond discussions, although not an official production.

I remember seeing it when I was very young and not really liking it, despite recognising Sean Connery. I knew he was older (a bit too old imo) and the lack of the usual Bond theme and different actors playing M, Q and Moneypenny was really confusing!

Having said that, fancy seeing it again all these years later. It would have been nice to see Kim Basinger as an official Bond girl, she was gorgeous. Barbara Carrera rightly got the plaudits too, I think I read somewhere that she turned down a role in Octopussy for it!

I'll take Never Say Never Again's Kim Basinger and Barbara Carrera over Octopussy's Maud Adams and Kristina Wayborn any day of the week...and Sean Connery looks fitter and more vigorous in NSNA than he did 12 years earlier in Diamonds are Forever. I enjoy Klaus Maria Brandauer's villain as well, though Louis Jourdan is equally smooth; just the way he pronounces Octopussy, as if he were caressing the name, brings to mind the inimitable way in which Connery would say the name P***y in Goldfinger!

[BluProofie]

I’ll take any of the official movies(yes even the worst ones) over NSNA.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Man From Hammer

Skyfall was a move away from Bourne but the influence is still there. So your comment is inaccurate guesswork but don't let that stop you from calling me a liar.

Oh please.

In any case, similar choppy fight editing don't the same movie make.

I used to analyze films for a living, but don't let that stop you from making uneducated guesses about someone who disagrees with you.

[Man From Hammer]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh please.

In any case, similar choppy fight editing don't the same movie make.

I used to analyze films for a living, but don't let that stop you from making uneducated guesses about someone who disagrees with you.

I said several times that the Craig movies resemble Bourne movies. You claimed I'd only seen the trailer which was totally untrue.
The editing style of the first 2 Craig movies IS very similar to the Bourne movies so the similarities are there and the editing style does not resemble any Bond movie that came out before Bourne.

I didn't make any guesses about you at all. The fact you used to analyse films for a living makes no difference whatsoever.
There's a few who analyse films for this forum and sometimes its unadulterated BS from start to finish so its not a badge of honour.
But lets not argue. You claimed I only watched the trailer but now you know better so we can move on

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by Man From Hammer

I've seen all the Bourne movies thanks.
I actually never got round to seeing them until after QoS.
So when I finally saw them I realised from the opening minutes that CR was very much in the style of a Bourne movie which it certainly resembled far more than it did any previous Bond movie.

Skyfall was a move away from Bourne but the influence is still there. So your comment is inaccurate guesswork but don't let that stop you from calling me a liar.

The biggest issue I have with NSNA is the video game which seems to make it look more dated than any of the official series.

Watched You Only Live Twice today. The earliest one with no upgraded documentary so its 4:3 SD

It kind of takes you away from the glamorous, exotic world you typically associate with James Bond when he walks into a video arcade. It always reminds me of the kind of place I would hang out after school when I was 12.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh please.

In any case, similar choppy fight editing don't the same movie make.

I used to analyze films for a living, but don't let that stop you from making uneducated guesses about someone who disagrees with you.

Many fans and critics (who also analyze films for a living) have noted the massive influence Bourne has stylistically on Quantum of Solace. He's not pulling that out of thin air.

I personally think that the two Sam Mendes films own more to Nolan than Bourne though.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

It kind of takes you away from the glamorous, exotic world you typically associate with James Bond when he walks into a video arcade. It always reminds me of the kind of place I would hang out after school when I was 12.



Many fans and critics (who also analyze films for a living) have noted the massive influence Bourne has stylistically on Quantum of Solace. He's not pulling that out of thin air.

I personally think that the two Sam Mendes films own more to Nolan than Bourne though.

there's no question that Bourne influenced that particular film....

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

Many fans and critics (who also analyze films for a living) have noted the massive influence Bourne has stylistically on Quantum of Solace. He's not pulling that out of thin air.

Originally Posted by AKORIS

there's no question that Bourne influenced that particular film....

I think a lot of it was Marc Forster and editor Rich Pearson (who also edited Bourne Supremacy). Fortunately the Wilsons & Broccoli were able to course correct with Mendes and his team, jettisoning a bunch of the QoS crew.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Bond would destroy Bourne then eat Bournes lunch and sleep with Bourne’s girl like a gentleman.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Bond would destroy Bourne then eat Bournes lunch and sleep with Bourne’s girl like a gentleman.

wouldn't challenge any of that!!!

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I’ll take any of the official movies(yes even the worst ones) over NSNA.

I agree except for OHMSS. Ill easily take NSNA over that one which is at the bottom of the list of Bond films for me.

[koberulz]

And someone was just saying a week ago that OHMSS isn't underrated....

[Markgway]

Dan Bradley was the second unit director on Bourne and QOS.

I always put the action similarities down to that.

[Man From Hammer]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

I agree except for OHMSS. Ill easily take NSNA over that one which is at the bottom of the list of Bond films for me.

Not sure how anyone who enjoys the Bond films cannot see that with the exception of a few lines delivered less effectively than usual by Lazenby the film as a whole is a masterpiece.
The fight scene at the start, all the exterior Piz Gloria scenes, the wondrous locations, the breathtaking ski chases,the entire score by John Barry, the interplay between Rigg and Savalas & Rigg and Lazenby.
What's not to like?

Granted, if you're new to 007 and just enjoyed 5 movies with Connery the new star could be a jarring change but with almost 50 years to deconstruct the movie countless times it's difficult to give it any negative points

[MJD64]

Just read that the character actor Soon-Tek Oh, who played the affable Lt.Hip alongside Roger Moore in The Man with the Golden Gun, has passed at age 85 from Alzheimer's. R.I.P.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

I agree except for OHMSS. Ill easily take NSNA over that one which is at the bottom of the list of Bond films for me.

I wouldn’t,for starters the classic Bond music isn’t there. Never underestimate the power of the soundtrack. OHMSS is very good, Lazenby did a great job. If he’d continued I’m sure he would have been considered a great Bond and created his own legacy. Shame he didn’t as I feel his only film wouldn’t be singled out and compared as much.

[BluProofie]

OHMSS is my favorite.

[Verisimilitude1984]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

and yet he was actually younger than Roger Moore who not only did Octopussy the same year but A View To A Kill 2 years later!

Wasn't Roger Moore 58 by the time he vacated the role? I know he wanted to leave before after Moonraker. I read that Moore definitively made the decision when he realised the real life mother of his Bond girl in A View To A Kill was younger than him! Still, your point about Sean Connery (which I hadn't considered) amazed me! As a side note, I'm curious to know in how many Bond films Connery wore a toupee?

Also, watched Octopussy the other day and it said after the credits that Bond would return in 'For A View To A Kill'. I'm curious why they dropped the 'For'?

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude1984

Wasn't Roger Moore 58 by the time he vacated the role? I know he wanted to leave before after Moonraker. I read that Moore definitively made the decision when he realised the real life mother of his Bond girl in A View To A Kill was younger than him! Still, your point about Sean Connery (which I hadn't considered) amazed me! As a side note, I'm curious to know in how many Bond films Connery wore a toupee?

Also, watched Octopussy the other day and it said after the credits that Bond would return in 'For A View To A Kill'. I'm curious why they dropped the 'For'?

Roger Moore was 57 on the final day of shooting on A View To A Kill. He was born in 1927; Connery in 1930.

His original contract expired after Moonraker but agreed to do one more, then pretty much had to return in Octopussy as Eon couldn’t put a rookie Bond up against Connery, then did AVTAK so he could match Connery’s number of Bond films.

Sean Connery wore a toupee in all his Bond films including Dr No. His natural hair as a young man was more curly on top.

It was From A View To A Kill, which was the title of the short story. I don’t know exactly why they changed it but I suspect it was so they could awkwardly shoehorn the film’s title into the dialogue when Zorin and May Day first fly into SF Bay.

[Verisimilitude1984]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

Roger Moore was 57 on the final day of shooting on A View To A Kill. He was born in 1927; Connery in 1930.

His original contract expired after Moonraker but agreed to do one more, then pretty much had to return in Octopussy as Eon couldn’t put a rookie Bond up against Connery, then did AVTAK so he could match Connery’s number of Bond films.

Sean Connery wore a toupee in all his Bond films including Dr No. His natural hair as a young man was more curly on top.

It was From A View To A Kill, which was the title of the short story. I don’t know exactly why they changed it but I suspect it was so they could awkwardly shoehorn the film’s title into the dialogue when Zorin and May Day first fly into SF Bay.

Thanks!

[MJD64]

"From a View to a Kill", a short story from the collection For Your Eyes Only, was indeed going to serve as the title of the final Moore Bond film. The story goes that the title was changed to A View to a Kill when the original title proved to be too lyrically cumbersome for the Duran Duran title song; A View to a Kill simply worked better.