List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[tyrok]

That Panasonic is too high-end to be sold in all stores. Only ones with Magnolia will have it.

[sapiendut]

How does a $500 MSRP unit be considered high end? Not cheap for sure, but not high end. Even Sony’s cheapest unit is $300 (MSRP - in Canada)

[tyrok]

It is high end considering every other 4K player they carry minus one is under $300.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by tyrok

It is high end considering every other 4K player they carry minus one is under $300.

Panasonic UB-820 is around $360 here in the UK. It support HDR10 / HLG / DV / HDR10+. It is undoubtedly the best bang for the buck player in the market.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

How does a $500 MSRP unit be considered high end? Not cheap for sure, but not high end. Even Sony’s cheapest unit is $300 (MSRP - in Canada)

If you recall, even the Oppo 203’s were only in Magnolias at $499. (Maybe that was $549 )

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

And HDR and WCG are not one and the same.

So you can have 709 and HDR, BT2020 (WCG) and HDR, BT2020 without HDR

I can’t remember where but a member here in one of the thread was wringly spewing HDR and WCG ate together and one can’t be without the other.

Sure...but now you're talking in a global sense. In terms of the content that is physically encoded to 4K disc then it's either been SDR 709 or HDR 2020, there is no middle ground despite SDR 2020 actually being part of the 4K disc spec.

So when it comes to disc, HDR and WCG are very much joined at the hip. The latter can be output without the former by certain players but this is still an inherent SDR conversion and is done using whatever special sauce processing the respective manufacturers have used. Results can be somewhat variable. I know that you know this, I'm just telling them.

Originally Posted by lgans316

Panasonic UB-820 is around $360 here in the UK. It support HDR10 / HLG / DV / HDR10+. It is undoubtedly the best bang for the buck player in the market.

And if DV isn't required then the 420 is a damned mega bargain, I got one for £120 and it's a cracking little machine.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

How does a $500 MSRP unit be considered high end? Not cheap for sure, but not high end. Even Sony’s cheapest unit is $300 (MSRP - in Canada)

It's definitely high-end considering there are $100 players out there. If you're gonna spend 5 times that, you're looking for high-end.

[sapiendut]

You guys are lucky. I’ve never seen prices of 4K player lower than $200 in Canada. Sony 800 is only $150 cheaper than UB820 making purchasing the 820 to be the logical sense

[SunShines]

UB820 for sale at $570 here now. Yay. (-:

[tyrok]

Originally Posted by gkolb

If you recall, even the Oppo 203’s were only in Magnolias at $499. (Maybe that was $549 )

Oppo's were never "officially" available at Best Buy. Magnolia could special order them to be delivered to the store but they never entered Best Buys inventory system.

[Stu123]

What about the Ultra HD discs we already own? I already have most of my favourite films on the format so am I going to have to replace them all if I want the new HDR10+? That's if they release them. Yeah I know my current TV and player don't support it.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by Stu123

What about the Ultra HD discs we already own? I already have most of my favourite films on the format so am I going to have to replace them all if I want the new HDR10+ ? Yeah I know my current TV and player don't support it.

Yes, they’d have to re-mastered with HDR 10+, but the market isn’t big enough for studios to re-issue titles with HDR 10+.

Fitprod

[Geoff D]

Yep, and that applies to Dolby Vision too. About the only example I can think of is Terminator Gensissyiysysys, the Euro/worldwide disc was HDR10 while the US disc (released a full year after the Euro one) had Dolby Vision. Even then it's technically not a 're-issue' because it was the first release (edit: of that movie I mean) in North America on 4K disc.

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, and that applies to Dolby Vision too. About the only example I can think of is Terminator Gensissyiysysys, the Euro/worldwide disc was HDR10 while the US disc (released a full year after the Euro one) had Dolby Vision. Even then it's technically not a 're-issue' because it was the first release in North America on 4K disc.

I don’t think they’ll make re-issues with DV being the only thing new... Once the format matures, maybe.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

I don’t think they’ll make re-issues with DV being the only thing new... Once the format matures, maybe.

Yeah. In the same way that certain movies have gotten re-released over and over and over with new transfers on BD then we can expect the same thing on UHD - well, if the format survives for that long.

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah. In the same way that certain movies have gotten re-released over and over and over with new transfers on BD then we can expect the same thing on UHD - well, if the format survives for that long.

If 100GB discs become standard (and that’s a big if), maybe current UHD releases will be regarded the same way as early BD25 releases. I hope that happens in a not so distant future.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

If 100GB discs become standard (and that’s a big if), maybe current UHD releases will be regarded the same way as early BD25 releases. I hope that happens in a not so distant future.

There are plenty of 100GB discs out there

Most UHDs are encoded fairly competently no matter the disc size IMO, I still have some niggles with how HEVC handles YCbCr HDR but that's ongoing and can't be helped now, and generally a few extra bits per second aren't going to yield dramatic differences. There are several early-ish titles that I'd kill to get a new encode for e.g. Blade Runner, Apollo 13, Star Trek '09, but not because the size of the disc is the problem, it's the early encoding practices themselves. And some of the worst encoding I've seen thus far on UHD has been on some 100GB discs as well as 66's, it's what they do with the bits that counts.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

I don’t think they’ll make re-issues with DV being the only thing new... Once the format matures, maybe.

If anything there are less and less DV titles

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There are plenty of 100GB discs out there

Of course there are, but they haven’t become standard. Virtually all Blu-ray releases are BD50, regardless of the movie’s running time. Is it not safe to assume maximum capacity discs will become the norm in UHD too?

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

If anything there are less and less DV titles

I may be wrong, but I can bet that dynamic metadata will become less and less necessary, as displays evolve.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

If 100GB discs become standard (and that’s a big if), maybe current UHD releases will be regarded the same way as early BD25 releases. I hope that happens in a not so distant future.

Even then, studios didn't redo discs unless there was some big special edition or restoration/remaster. Not because they were BD25 with MPEG2 and maybe also had lossy audio. Training Day is an example of a "prestigious" title that hasn't been redone and came out a while ago.

I may be wrong, but I can bet that dynamic metadata will become less and less necessary, as displays evolve.

It's still necessary because as good as displays' dynamic HDR modes are, they don't necessarily reflect what was in the transfer suite.

And part of that future is true 12-bit displays. DV has that capability.