4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I believe the HDR (800 nit) LG panels will be introduced in the 3rd quarter of 2015. Prototype was demoed at CES 2015. I have no idea how long they have been testing 800 nit panels.

I know, so read 100 times -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post10536319

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Sony claims the same 30,000 hour panel life for their pro OLED monitors:

Perhaps with the other OLED monitors mastering and/or displaying SDR (100 nit) content, but I can inform you not at NAB 2014, nor SMPTE tech meetings nor HPA have they made that claim in regards to the 1000 nits HDR capable critical reference OLED monitor exclusively running HDR content* all the time for those 30,000 hrs.

Ray, that, still remains an open question, until proven otherwise, if only by a technically published theoretical model based on extrapolation and assumption….but again, I am hopeful it becomes true for the HDR 4K LG OLED as well as for the HDR-capable 4K critical reference Sony OLED monitors – which I’ve viewed on more than one occasion, in viewing environments superior to that of Best Buy, and know a little about, e.g. time stamped nearly 6 months ago…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...00#post9910402

And as I said previously, something else which apparently didn’t register with you….as far as “claims” go from any display manufacturer, regarding some of those same “pro OLED monitors” which that interview you’ve linked describes….well, recommendations were made claiming to deal with metameric failure of their OLED displays used in post facilities and first claims/recommendations during real world usage, failed -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...When Sony first attempted to deal with metameric failure of their OLED displays they released a set of chromaticity xy offset values, that ranged from -0.001, -0.009, through -0.004, -0.013, depending on the probe used, and alternative display technology to be matched to.

In later documentation on the White Balance of BVM and PVM displays Sony reduced these values to a single set of xy offsets - x=-0.006, y=-0.011.

The problem is that none of these values are actually accurate, as the concept of simply adding an offset value to an existing CMF is too much of a compromise to correct for metameric failure...A far better approach is to utilize…..

I’m beginning to think you enjoy arguing with me solely for the sake of arguing, rather than trying to actually learn something more advanced and less biased than simple marketing interviews.

Without progress, this conversation is becoming tedious rather than productive, but I can remedy that, if you won’t.

*HDR content, meaning, since this is a Blu-ray forum, content having been authored according to SMPTE ST 2084 HDR EOTF and compliant with Ultra HD Blu-ray BDA prelim specs for MLL, MaxCLL and MaxFALL of <400nits and 800 -1000+ nits for specular highlights.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Are you sure? It had a DI and that would suggest a fake filter, can't find any info on it.
Do any of the labs do bypass anymore, I thought they'll stopped due to costs involved

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m purty confident, but for you (since I'm working you to become more HDR friendly ) I’ll ask my colleague for some ‘official’ source that is publicly viewable. I have no personal experience with the production as I’m relying on what someone in the industry (Technicolor France) revealed to me about a year ago during a post production discussion.

Success , from my French colleague who apparently works on Friday, despite the European’s reputation for taking so many vacation days compared to us in the U.S.

Public link for you , with a productive conversation – http://www.afcinema.com/Conversation...h.html?lang=fr

[Geoff D]

So they did a bleach bypass on the neg (which still has to be developed photochemically before it hits any digital workflow, the difference in this case being the bleach bypass) then ran it through a DI, right?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So they did a bleach bypass on the neg (which still has to be developed photochemically before it hits any digital workflow, the difference in this case being the bleach bypass) then ran it through a DI, right?

By the looks of that article, technicolor did intended I am guessing it was ENR

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So they did a bleach bypass on the neg (which still has to be developed photochemically before it hits any digital workflow, the difference in this case being the bleach bypass) then ran it through a DI, right?

Purrrrrr . Why any DI at all? Well, for one thing, it sure as hell makes it easier to stitch in the vfx. Back to the history of why DI came about…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...te#post9213621

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Are you sure?

Also bleached, but no DI workflow in the finish. Only one left, go for it – http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bernie-Blu-R.../dp/B003VIF5B2

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

OLED monitors

Are actually so revealing (or, I guess you could also describe it as….unforgiving) that, colorists (be it company people or freelance) are discovering that sometimes they are seeing noise in original source which is not revealed when the same source files are displayed on LCD client monitors during color grading sessions.

P.S. Room lighting at 2% as mentioned here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10502681

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Are actually so revealing (or, I guess you could also describe it as….unforgiving) that, colorists (be it company people or freelance) are discovering that sometimes they are seeing noise in original source which is not revealed when the same source files are displayed on LCD client monitors during color grading sessions.

P.S. Room lighting at 2% as mentioned here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10502681

Oled tv sets are introducing noise toaster dark scenes

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Oled tv sets are introducing noise toaster dark scenes

WTF is a toaster dark scene? Is that some OLED feature I don't know about?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

WTF is a toaster dark scene? Is that some OLED feature I don't know about?

I hate the autocorrection on this thing!!

Adds noise to darker scenes

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Be interesting to see what the BVM-X300 goes for. The PVM-X300 can be had for around $18,000.

FWIW to anyone: In 2000 - 2001 range, we paid (MPB) about $20,000 each for 20" CRT Sony HD monitors with 1 component and 2 HD-SDI inputs.

I realize the price is not listed on the ‘official’ page, but plan on ~ $37,000. (tax not included).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Oled tv sets are introducing noise toaster dark scenes

Hey, it’s a good thing to show the source as accurately as possible to the colorist and filmmaker in color grading and mastering suite(s), no? If you’ll recall, when Blu-rays first launched, the perennial benchmark for mastering, the industry-standard Sony BVM CRT 24" monitor, and, for that matter, CRTs in general, were disguising some source artifacts because of the way in which the CRT creates an image, i.e. due to the nature of the CRT raster lines softening some high-frequency detail and hiding any grain/noise *issues* that were actually present in the source be it from the acquisition (camera) or the telecine.

Ergo, flat panels were introduced into post facilities and CRTs were phased out.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I hate the autocorrection on this thing!!
Adds noise to darker scenes

What brand/model monitor are you talking about? I think we’re on different wavelengths here. I’m referring to faithfulness to the source with a professional grade OLED.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

What brand/model monitor are you talking about? I think we’re on different wavelengths here. I’m referring to faithfulness to the source with a professional grade OLED.

The lg 1080p model, try the kill bill buried alive scene on one

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I realize the price is not listed on the ‘official’ page, but plan on ~ $37,000. (tax not included).

How long before you have one on the way?

For folks planing on buying one , just beware this is a 1.89 (17x9) monitor so for 1920 1:2 pixel mapping or UHD 1:1 pixel mapping their will be small pillow boxing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The lg 1080p model, try the kill bill buried alive scene on one

You could be right (an inherent flaw with the television, as opposed to offering more accurate transparency/reproducibility to the source), I really don’t have any working experience with lg 1080p oled consumer display and I haven't watched that flick on any display for years. Best to confirm with more and different sources.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

How long before you have one on the way?

Not until I sell thousands more cups of lemonade at the stand out in front of my house.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For folks planing on buying one , just beware this is a 1.89 (17x9) monitor so for 1920 1:2 pixel mapping or UHD 1:1 pixel mapping their will be small pillow boxing.

Reminds me of the age old trade-off decision for cropping vs. scaling ‘true’ 2K (2048) cinema content for HD consumer (1920) televisions…. an advantages vs. disadvantages debate of which (on this forum), I don’t think has been revisited much in regards to deciding what’s preferable when involving ‘true’ 4K (4096) content to be displayed on consumer UHD TVs having a native resolution of 3840.

Even to this day, be it 4K or 2K content, I think there remains some variance with best philosophy as to that cropping vs. downscaling practice for motion picture content as handled by different post facilities, where they are the ultimate arbitrator rather than personal eyes-on input from the Director.

[Geoff D]

I'm torn, because the crop does provide the best results but IMO it harms the composition of 1.85 movies whereas 2.40 doesn't seem to suffer as much. If the scaling from one t'other is done well and keeps the ratio intact then that's the best compromise I suppose, but I'm not convinced that we're always getting the best quality scaling.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm torn, because the crop does provide the best results but IMO it harms the composition of 1.85 movies whereas 2.40 doesn't seem to suffer as much. If the scaling from one t'other is done well and keeps the ratio intact then that's the best compromise I suppose, but I'm not convinced that we're always getting the best quality scaling.

There is always the 21:9 5K set Harrods is selling