Sony Z9F TV

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Looking around.

Maybe Z9F won't be Cheap.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/h...640a6ef8a839a0

This is interesting...

The top television from this Chinese firm looks a little like it’s levitating, thanks to an unusually designed metal base. The screen is conventionally high-end in quality, however, featuring local dimming, 2500 nit brightness, and smart TV software that will let you use your phone as an additional remote control.

Seems Sony is defining a new direction. New emphasis. For TV Displays.

At big box stores... Many Many customers will decide based on the screens Demo. And what the sales agent say_____ are defining important Features.
Master TV's with Master Features has to command a Masters price.

Bet there will be Great Demos for the Z9F at the stores.

Sony likely will sell a lot of Z9F's to the Mass of new Buyers.

Probably many Z9F's major Apps will to 4K, HDR, Dolby Vision, Atmos.
With eARC in place for App Atmos thru HDMI to AVR or the new Atmos Soundbars.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

If the 100 zone report is true, my guess would be there's a increase in speed, as each led transitions from on to off. The filter to focus the lights could have been refined.
How the rows and columns are placed can affect performance, and currently the biggest concern for consumers is black bars.

Do we know if the panel size determines the number of zones?

We'll just have to wait to see if the Z9F is a master or a disaster.

Interesting comment about the increase in speed. The way that the light decays on the ZD9 when a scene with a bright specular suddenly cuts to a darker shot is one of the more glaring niggles that it has, particularly in HDR mode. As with the panel's laggy pixel reponse it's something that gets better once it's warmed up, but it's never truly resolved. Perhaps using less zones with a better diffuser has given them better performance in that regard.

That said, I made the "particularly in HDR" qualification because I've been catching up with Daredevil S1 and S2 these last few days. It's on Blu-ray so it's plain old SDR 709 that I've been watching it and it looks so stunning on the ZD9 with all that darkness and that "lemon and lime" colour grading. I've had a cold so my already-poor hearing is even worse at the moment and I had to watch DD with the subtitles, meaning that these white subs were constantly playing out over very dark or even pitch-black scenes and the lack of blooming was just incredible (this is watched in a darkened room with no bias lighting at all), nor did the TV suddenly raise the brightness in response as some dimming systems (frame or edge) and algos can do. It's got so much control over SDR lighting, it's an amazing example of what LCD is capable of.

It's not quite so refined in HDR as I said, though I've found that Dolby Vision has helped to alleviate even this problem (the Dolby Display Manager having been said to take into account the actual characteristics of a TV, e.g. its backlighting systems, as well its base specs) with less conspicuous blooming around objects. Could also be the slight raising of the black level that DV seems to have on my ZD9 though, it's nothing like the infamous "LG grey bars" problem but it's definitely there and with a slightly brighter image means that the dimming doesn't have to be so aggressive in dimming down to off. Still looks all kinds of awesome though, a ZD9 on its own is still one of the best HDR TVs out there but ZD9 + DV is an ultra combo.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Micro or mini will 100% help, and whilst grey blacks frustrate me, that's the only issue I have with my Sony (cheap bedroom Philips is fald so that is surprisingly good)
As for OLED I feel like black blacks are the only thing I like.
No matter how Sorny and panfonics try, They are always limited by LG display.
Maybe if sony didnt get out of OLED production, or if they could hurry up with CLED maybe

I was shocked when Sony decided not to pursue OLED production but probably was based on their financial woes at the time. They seem to be doing better financially now.

Originally Posted by mzupeman

I dont think LED is going anywhere. I believe they’ll remain in the budget market and have some high end stuff just like now. Micro LED will sort of stand on its own like OLED and compete against that.

That's likely true but I'm not so sure it's in Sony's DNA to produce two separate flagship lines anymore. Seems like they're all in on the high end being OLED right now.

[samlop10]

Another impression from a user over at AVSForums from the Sony event in Leipzig, Germany, mentioned that the Z9F looked like more a successor to the 940E rather than the Z9D. Also mentioning that as a successor to the Z9D in the master series the Z9F was a disappointment. On the other hand, he mentioned the A9F did deserve the master series label. Unfortunately that one caps at 65”.

[mzupeman]

The opinions I’m seeing say that despite not having the same impressive technical specifications as the Z9D, the Z9F is also no slouch. They seemed quite satisfied with what they had seen.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Another impression from a user over at AVSForums from the Sony event in Leipzig, Germany, mentioned that the Z9F looked like more a successor to the 940E rather than the Z9D. Also mentioning that as a successor to the Z9D in the master series the Z9F was a disappointment. On the other hand, he mentioned the A9F did deserve the master series label. Unfortunately that one caps at 65”.

Based on everything that I have read so far now, it does seem to me this is the direction it's going in... Yes, we'll still need to wait for in depth reviews and proper testing but honestly, I'm not expecting too much.

Anyway:

https://www.sony.com/electronics/ifa

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Us Z9D Fans should read this Closely.

Listen to the Song or Tunes carefully.

https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...a-zf9-kd-65zf9

I think this one is Mantra material.
Particularly since no one else has it.

The X1 Ultimate introduces a couple of new image processing modes: Object-based Super Resolution and Object-based HDR remaster. The X1 Ultimate is able to enhance individual objects within a picture, bringing out detail and nuance without increasing artifice. Demonstrations of these enhancements against a set without were revelatory.

Haha...

two widely space feet which contain cable management. Although to be honest, the venue for the ZF9 unveil (The Sony Hall, off Times Square) was so dark, it may have had a fluorescent pink finish and we might not have noticed.

believe me. If there were Duck Feets in front of my Face_____ I would definitely have noticed. Least at my home TV room lighting... even when dimmed extremely low. The feets attracts TV screen light to reflect.

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Us Z9D Fans should read this Closely.

Listen to the Song or Tunes carefully.

https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...a-zf9-kd-65zf9

I think this one is Mantra material.
Particularly since no one else has it.


Haha...


believe me. If there were Duck Feets in front of my Face_____ I would definitely have noticed. Least at my home TV room lighting... even when dimmed extremely low. The feets attracts TV screen light to reflect.

yea right your a fan of ZD9 why do you continue to spam threads when you have ZEROInterest in it. theres a lg oled fanboy page why dont you go there

[goldenarm84]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

yea right your a fan of ZD9 why do you continue to spam threads when you have ZEROInterest in it. theres a lg oled fanboy page why dont you go there

I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed this about him and another user on this forum.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Interesting comment about the increase in speed. The way that the light decays on the ZD9 when a scene with a bright specular suddenly cuts to a darker shot is one of the more glaring niggles that it has, particularly in HDR mode. As with the panel's laggy pixel reponse it's something that gets better once it's warmed up, but it's never truly resolved. Perhaps using less zones with a better diffuser has given them better performance in that regard.

That said, I made the "particularly in HDR" qualification because I've been catching up with Daredevil S1 and S2 these last few days. It's on Blu-ray so it's plain old SDR 709 that I've been watching it and it looks so stunning on the ZD9 with all that darkness and that "lemon and lime" colour grading. I've had a cold so my already-poor hearing is even worse at the moment and I had to watch DD with the subtitles, meaning that these white subs were constantly playing out over very dark or even pitch-black scenes and the lack of blooming was just incredible (this is watched in a darkened room with no bias lighting at all), nor did the TV suddenly raise the brightness in response as some dimming systems (frame or edge) and algos can do. It's got so much control over SDR lighting, it's an amazing example of what LCD is capable of.

It's not quite so refined in HDR as I said, though I've found that Dolby Vision has helped to alleviate even this problem (the Dolby Display Manager having been said to take into account the actual characteristics of a TV, e.g. its backlighting systems, as well its base specs) with less conspicuous blooming around objects. Could also be the slight raising of the black level that DV seems to have on my ZD9 though, it's nothing like the infamous "LG grey bars" problem but it's definitely there and with a slightly brighter image means that the dimming doesn't have to be so aggressive in dimming down to off. Still looks all kinds of awesome though, a ZD9 on its own is still one of the best HDR TVs out there but ZD9 + DV is an ultra combo.

LG’s grey bars issue has long been fixed. You should really give the C8 a try and watch Aliens on it. It was a revelation for me. I did not own a Z9D, but my past several TVs were all top of the line Sonys, including the A1E. Z9D and A8F are probably the best TVs Sony has ever made.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Sony makes Great LED's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9w7...ature=youtu.be

C7 here is good too. But A9F may be a Beast!

If the LED is Z9D, above video. If pic mode is Vivid__ then I, myself, would lower the Black Level to 47. Believe me. Black level from 50 decreased to 47 can make a magnificient change. But reduce a click at a time to find perfect for you.

[dominica]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Interesting comment about the increase in speed. The way that the light decays on the ZD9 when a scene with a bright specular suddenly cuts to a darker shot is one of the more glaring niggles that it has, particularly in HDR mode. As with the panel's laggy pixel reponse it's something that gets better once it's warmed up, but it's never truly resolved. Perhaps using less zones with a better diffuser has given them better performance in that regard.

That said, I made the "particularly in HDR" qualification because I've been catching up with Daredevil S1 and S2 these last few days. It's on Blu-ray so it's plain old SDR 709 that I've been watching it and it looks so stunning on the ZD9 with all that darkness and that "lemon and lime" colour grading. I've had a cold so my already-poor hearing is even worse at the moment and I had to watch DD with the subtitles, meaning that these white subs were constantly playing out over very dark or even pitch-black scenes and the lack of blooming was just incredible (this is watched in a darkened room with no bias lighting at all), nor did the TV suddenly raise the brightness in response as some dimming systems (frame or edge) and algos can do. It's got so much control over SDR lighting, it's an amazing example of what LCD is capable of.

It's not quite so refined in HDR as I said, though I've found that Dolby Vision has helped to alleviate even this problem (the Dolby Display Manager having been said to take into account the actual characteristics of a TV, e.g. its backlighting systems, as well its base specs) with less conspicuous blooming around objects. Could also be the slight raising of the black level that DV seems to have on my ZD9 though, it's nothing like the infamous "LG grey bars" problem but it's definitely there and with a slightly brighter image means that the dimming doesn't have to be so aggressive in dimming down to off. Still looks all kinds of awesome though, a ZD9 on its own is still one of the best HDR TVs out there but ZD9 + DV is an ultra combo.

I wrote about the same issue on one of the forums and its not only on the Z9D, but the 940E and 900F. Tested it with a couple of friends and same issue with different Sony sets with DV support. To solve the issue when watching DV "Slight raising of the black level that DV seems to have" is in DV mode turn ADV Contrast Enhancer to Low or Medium and the slight raising of the black level is gone when watching DV. You really notice it in a dark room especially it there is a quick fade to black an then to a new scene. Sometime it very hard to see it, but you will notice it in a pitch dark room. Neighbor spoke to Sony high level support on the phone and they told him to use Adv Contrast Enhancer to low to solve the slight raising of the black level when watching DV material. On low it does not affect the movies (blacks or colors etc) for DV, but it will solve the problem. Watching the same movies in HDR10 we have no slight raising of blacks.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Sony’s new A9F Master series TVs will be available in Malaysia from Sept 2018 with the KD-55A9F priced at US$3,662 (RM14,999) and KD-65A9F priced at US$5,371 (RM21,999)

Hmmmmm.
65 A9F @ $5371.

On USA shores its likely the 65 Z9F will be much under 5 $Grand.

Currently the Z9D can be gotten at many places for under 3 $Grand.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by brasil

When then you really should give the Z9D a try. I think you will find it a revalation compared to OLED.

The black crush and lack of shadow detail on OLED rules it for me. And OLED brightness is...well legendary and speaks for itself.

Some dude said OLED beats ZD9 in every way...hahaha.

I've seen both. I want shadow detail. OLED does not have that well not nearly as good a it should b, at least on the LG's. Maybe the Panasonics do which I have not seen but they are pricey.

Not Z9D, nor any LCD can touch OLEDs. Sorry.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Not Z9D, nor any LCD can touch OLEDs. Sorry.

This is an LED thread. Go away.

[DJR662]

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Anyone here attending IFA 2018's days_____that starts Friday?

But the Press starts to go Aug 29th, Today Wed.

So when will Press Leaks for Z9F comes out?

Join the press conference live stream at 1:00PM CET on Thursday, 30 August, 2018 to see a new generation of Sony innovations.**

Live streaming
https://www.sony.com/electronics/ifa


Official Z9F Price Announcement is said to come from IFA.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

We'll find out before Long.

Will Z9F be Rtings rated above TV #3 or below TV #3.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-features/hdr

#2 LED____ 65inch is $3297.
HDR Peak 10% Window*:*1763 cd/m²

It seems to me Z9F's price will be competitive with that.

LG don't have a competitive LED model. So I would think Z9F
will Mass Market against the Samsung Q9 LED. With Sony's A9F gunning after the rest.


Sony's IFA 2018 press conference will start at 1pm CEST on 30 August in Berlin. Here are the various local times across the world:

UK: 12pm BST
US: 7am EST
India: 4:30pm IST
Japan: 8pm JST
China: 7pm CST
Russia: 2pm MSK

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Vudu has appx 320 Dolby Vision, HDR10 Atmos streaming movies.

Heres are the Compatable Devices list:

Note the Sony TV's among them:

4K Ultra HD + HDR Playback
Apple TV 4K - app version 1.1.1 (set default playback quality to UHD)
[Limited Beta] Sony 2016-2017 4K TVs - Android TV app v4.1.37 and higher req'd. See details here.
Google Chromecast Ultra
LG 2016-2018 UHD, Super UHD and OLED TVs
Nvidia Shield TV
Roku Streaming Stick+, Premiere+, Ultra
Samsung KS, Q, MU, and NU (NU71XX and higher) Series 4K TVs
Samsung Blu-ray Disc Player UBD-M9500
Sony 2018 4K TVs
Sony UBP-X700<- Newly Added
Roku 4K TVs with HDR support (e.g. TCL P & C-Series)
VIZIO 2016-2019 Smartcast P & M-Series 4K TVs
Xbox One S, One X

Looks good to go for A9F, Z9F, Z9D

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

0Maybe we all need a good laugh from tense anticipation of Z9F pricing coming out of IFA 2018 in the next few days.


Humor Up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBlY...ature=youtu.be

But then at post #536 above we did see...

Sony’s new A9F Master series TVs will be available in Malaysia from Sept 2018 with the KD-55A9F priced at US$3,662 (RM14,999) and KD-65A9F priced at US$5,371 (RM21,999)

Which is pretty close to $ amounts specified in the video.
A little decrepancy on the US Shore for USA peoples enjoy a higher standard of living than in Malaysia. Or Sony shipping cost to Malaysia is less expensive.