HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

a bike rider like me

As pictured here in the snapshot at the end of the post….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13109170

Friendly reminder to all readers: while involved in wheeled outdoor activities after staring at screens all day long be it for hobby or profession….or, if you have a more lackadaisical attitude toward your own skull, then with concern in regards to your children’s brains, encourage helmet use because bilateral epidural hematomas are no fun for them….http://www.nbcnews.com/video/no-title-940934723952

[Penton-Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post13124817

b.t.w., from last January, the aforementioned ^ Disney Animation project remains on track.

[LordoftheRings]

Mr. Penton,

In your opinion or personal experience from your own vision:

1. What is today the best HDR display (TV)?
2. What is today the best HDR front projector?
3. What is today the best HDR Blu-ray player?
4. What is today the best HDR Blu-ray movie transfer?
5. What is today the best HDR camera?

Subjectively or/and objectively, it's all fine the way you see it.
I realize that they are not easy questions as ABCD, so feel free to shoot from your own cannon.

The sky is the limit, so there is no price above the north star.

[DanBa]

Some people are concerned with Dolby Vision licensing fee.

In fact,

"You may hear about one other difference between Dolby Vision and HDR10. Some people will point out that TV manufacturers pay to have Dolby Vision in their displays, while HDR10 is free. While that’s true, the difference isn’t significant.
The royalty cost to add Dolby Vision ranges from less than $3 per TV to lower than $2 per TV."
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dolby...ar-giles-baker

and

TCL P-Series charges just $500 for local dimming, 4K, HDR10 and Dolby Vision (50-inch TCL 50P607)
https://www.cnet.com/products/tcl-55p607/preview/
or $580 (or Y3999) for Dolby Vision, HDR10 and HLG HDR (55-inch TCL FFALCON I-55).
http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Press+R...s-Internet.htm
http://www.gooread.com/article/20121710425/
https://item.jd.com/4016731.html



So the Dolby Vision licensing fee is not a problem.

Dolby Vision, one of several operational digital video formats, should be supported by a universal HDR TV (i.e. a TV supporting all operational HDR formats) in the same way a universal audio/video receiver (AVR) supports Dolby Atmos, one of several operational digital audio formats.

Thus, it doesn’t matter what HDR format a given program uses; a TV that implements all formats can accommodate the content and display it to its best advantage.

[StingingVelvet]

I would guess a lot of TV manufacturers would say that $3 per-set adds up over the many years to come.

[DanBa]

Multi-HDR support - Current situation

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Mr. Penton,

In your opinion or personal experience from your own vision:

1. What is today the best HDR display (TV)?
2. What is today the best HDR front projector?
3. What is today the best HDR Blu-ray player?
4. What is today the best HDR Blu-ray movie transfer?
5. What is today the best HDR camera?

Subjectively or/and objectively, it's all fine the way you see it.
I realize that they are not easy questions as ABCD, so feel free to shoot from your own cannon.
The sky is the limit, so there is no price above the north star.

1. I don’t have enough hands-on experience with all the newest 2017 models
displaying enough content (which is where the rubber meets the road) to
feel qualified as to offer a definitive answer, so the Sony Z9D is still my
favorite all around TV….probably a toss up between the LG 7 series oled or
Sony A1E if you have a light controlled room for dedicated HDR movie
watching.
2. ask Kris Deering
3. You trying to get me into trouble? The one that came with the cat, one
post up from this post…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post12943937
4. Depends on my mood at the time
5. The one that the cinematographer feels most comfortable using…..granted
it doesn’t exhibit so much sensor noise that the colorist has to spend a lot
of time in post managing

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Mr. Penton,

In your opinion or personal experience from your own vision:

On a broader note, my vision is not only to experience recorded narrative (movie) in HDR + HFR, e.g. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13425318 < - the bicycle scene as well as all daytime scenes were shot at 100 fps with a Sony F65 camera and finished in HDR for another project (other than the EBU report which Dan linked), but to see live HDR + HFR for sport to come to the public asap on a weekly basis.

Other visionaries like the past President (and first woman President) of SMPTE questioning the devoted HDR panel about HFR at last month’s NAB showing her interest in this too…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J4-FOoQxIY#t=43m54s

So, as mentioned last Jan., content providers take note: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13120232

Who……and with what sport, will be the first to offer the HDR + HFR watershed event in my country? France (albeit, this wasn’t transmitted in HDR - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post13461582 , but it did boast a live HFR workflow) is leading the industry with the best of things to come…..the combination of HDR, WCG and HFR.

[Robert Zohn]

Since you asked, I'll take a stab at a few items you listed.

1. Either Sony's A1E or any of LG's 2017 OLED TVs

2. I'm a very big fan of Sony's VPL-VW5000ES and also love their new short throw laser VPL-VZ1000ES.

3. OPPO's new 205

4. Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk

5. I've been out of the TV Broadcast/Hollywood industry to long to best answer this one.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Who is Kris Deering

A comrade ….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post10107534
and someone who I think you could trust in this matter. Same goes for Robert although I don’t know how much involvement he personally has with front projector stuff. I didn’t mean to exclude him as a possible reference as I was just typing as fast as I can before we all sit down for lunch.

[Staying Salty]

Has it been confirmed that HDR10+ and Dolby Vision can both be on a HD Blu-ray disk together?

Can the colorist use Dolby Vision to create the HDR10+ dynamic metadata at the same time as he/she creates the DV metadata (I believe this is how HDR10 is created)? Or would the colorist have to create them at two separate times?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

1. I don’t have enough hands-on experience with all the newest 2017 models
displaying enough content (which is where the rubber meets the road) to
feel qualified as to offer a definitive answer, so the Sony Z9D is still my
favorite all around TV….probably a toss up between the LG 7 series oled or
Sony A1E if you have a light controlled room for dedicated HDR movie
watching.
2. ask Kris Deering
3. You trying to get me into trouble? The one that came with the cat, one
post up from this post…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post12943937
4. Depends on my mood at the time
5. The one that the cinematographer feels most comfortable using…..granted
it doesn’t exhibit so much sensor noise that the colorist has to spend a lot
of time in post managing

1. You picked a 2016 model, that can also do 3D, with LCD LED technology, and the brightest set (nits).
2. He's going to say JVC, that's my best guess.
3. No I am not, it's an honest/genuine question.
4. That I can ask Kris.
5. The comfort zone between the camera lens and the eye of the cameraman, I like that.

Tank u

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Since you asked, I'll take a stab at a few items you listed.

1. Either Sony's A1E or any of LG's 2017 OLED TVs
2. I'm a very big fan of Sony's VPL-VW5000ES and also love their new short throw laser VPL-VZ1000ES.
3. OPPO's new 205
4. Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk
5. I've been out of the TV Broadcast/Hollywood industry to long to best answer this one.

Hi Robert, thank you for participating; I have the utmost respect in everything you do for everyone.

1. You go opposite of Mr. Penton, with OLED technology, and no 3D.
2. Sony, more $ than JVC (generally) and different video processing than JVC.
3. When I first saw Mr. Penton's first choice, the 205 came up to my mind as well. Because the video processing I've read might have a slight advantage over the 203. Only video measurements could determine that though.
[The 203/205 are still work in progress, and important for the future with front projectors, IMO]
4. That's what I also think is the top pick, and @ 60fps (on 4K Blu).
5. Every year they come up with newer and better cameras. Mr. Penton too has answered that question with aplomb.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

A comrade ….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post10107534
and someone who I think you could trust in this matter. Same goes for Robert although I don’t know how much involvement he personally has with front projector stuff. I didn’t mean to exclude him as a possible reference as I was just typing as fast as I can before we all sit down for lunch.

Lol, I deleted my post but you were quick @ spotting it.

There are several other pro video calibrators who I respect/trust their opinion/vision.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Has it been confirmed that HDR10+ and Dolby Vision can both be on a HD Blu-ray disk together?

Can the colorist use Dolby Vision to create the HDR10+ dynamic metadata at the same time as he/she creates the DV metadata (I believe this is how HDR10 is created)? Or would the colorist have to create them at two separate times?

No, it has not been confirmed. It is only theoretical. HDR10+ is not part of the UHD Blu-ray spec at this moment. Not sure if/when they'll try to add it since it will also require HDMI 2.1 compatibility.

And I don't know how the metadata is created. Maybe talk to Colorfront. Their Transkoder is the only HDR10+ software I'm aware of so far.

[IITravel01]

With the release next month of the first Ultra HD 4K blu-rays with Dobly Vision, #4 might soon be one of those as a reference disc (with Dolby Atmos for sound). I've read the first will be Saban's Power Rangers, Resident Evil: Vendetta (computer animated), Despicable Me and Despicable Me 2. Currently, how does the BBC series Earth II compare?

[LordoftheRings]

♦ http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

......Tank u

I’ve been involved with HDR for a long time , note the date (2014) – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post9754213......since way before it became online fashionable to blog about it...the trend continues with HFR development.

I don't get overly excited with 'best' of this or that in offering my opinion based on firsthand experience. The exuberance with that sort of thing faded away after I purchased my first over $10,000 TV. As to the specific choice of the Z9D , for one thing, it's in our family room which has a fair share of ambient light coming in from the windows.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Tank u

~ Bob
♠ And it Stoned me to my Soul ♠ - Van Morrison

And back at ya (still holds a spot on my shelf of Blu-rays)…..

Van Morrison & The Band - Caravan Live (1976 - The Last Waltz) - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

I'm only here to enjoy the ride, to learn, for the advancement.

[aimforsilence]

Question: How does playing Dolby Vision content on a non-dolby vision TV work. Like say I have a TV that supports HDR10 but a blu-ray is released with Dolby Vision HDR and I have a Dolby Vision compatible UHD Blu-ray player. How does that work if at all? I'm just trying to do my research before committing to a new TV this year