Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[dvdmike]

South park was correct that the living room tv as we know it is changing.
Home cinema was always niche.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

He speaks of a move to minature screens for home cinema. His words not mine. The guy sounds like he is a home cinema enthusiast and writes about blurays etc.,

Yes, I read the sentence. Thanks for the synopsis though.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Um, no, Vinyl is considered, rightly or wrongly, an audiophile product. Fact is, vinyl is often the only way to buy an album that hasn't been compressed to within an inch of its life. Now not all vinyl buyers take that into account, to be sure, but you can bet some do (myself included) and will do a tiny bit of research before buying a record.

(and, don't forget, we kept it going through the dark years, where everyone considered it dead beyond hope. it hasn't just come back to life, it's just grown)

I see your point, but if audio quality is a main concern, why SACD and DVD-Audio failed? Why 44.1khz/16 bit is still the standard for digital music after 30 years?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

South park was correct that the living room tv as we know it is changing.

It sure is.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I see your point, but if audio quality is a main concern, why SACD and DVD-Audio failed? Why 44.1khz/16 bit is still the standard for digital music after 30 years?

Largely because the mass market has no interest in quality and vinyl has other advantages such as the ones you mentioned earlier but they do still release SACDs.

As far as I'm concerned, it's still very much a thing. I don't give a stuff what the rest of the market does, as long as they release things I like and they do. This is how I feel about BD and 4kBD. It doesn't have to go massive to be viable for enthusiasts. If 4k BD gets as big as, and lasts as long as, SACD, that'll do me fine. Now that's a low benchmark.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by octagon

It sure is.

Were you arguing my point?

They are special event displays only now.
The family tv and tv programs in general have changed totally

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by octagon

It sure is.

Now, to play devils advocate; what has to be mentioned about the TV sizes getting bigger, is that, when we measure, we measure diagonally. So back in 2006 and prior, many people had 4:3 ratio TVs, so a 32" 4:3 TV was large. When we started getting 16:9 ratio flat panel TVs, that diagonal measurement jumped significantly because of the wider ratio. It was like a square compared to a rectangle.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Were you arguing my point?

They are special event displays only now.
The family tv and tv programs in general have changed totally

And you learned all this from a tv show? That's ironic

But seriously, folks. TV viewing has changed (though not nearly as radically as some Luddites would have one think) but TVs have not.

Well, except for getting bigger, of course. And thinner and lighter. And cheaper.

But other than that TVs are pretty much TVs. Kids have watched them in their bedrooms for generations. People watch them together, they watch them separately. Sure, tv viewing has gotten more fragmented in the sense that people don't all watch the same handful of shows and they don't all watch them in the same places at the same times.

But is watching a tv show on a 12" tablet fundamentally different from watching it on a 12" portable tv?

Meh, I dunno.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

And you learned all this from a tv show? That's ironic

But seriously, folks. TV viewing has changed (though not nearly as radically as some Luddites would have one think) but TVs have not.

Well, except for getting bigger, of course. And thinner and lighter. And cheaper.

But other than that TVs are pretty much TVs. Kids have watched them in their bedrooms for generations. People watch them together, they watch them separately. Sure, tv viewing has gotten more fragmented in the sense that people don't all watch the same handful of shows and they don't all watch them in the same places at the same times.

But is watching a tv show on a 12" tablet fundamentally different from watching it on a 12" portable tv?

Meh, I dunno.

But the tv has been a mainstay up until now. All those other devices are at the mercy of trends and in the case of the tablet and phone possibly merging. If the trend switches permanently to tablets, we then have to rely on tablets sticking around and not going away like netbooks. In other words if trends get smaller so does our viewing options. What if tablets go away? What if Apple is the springboard for smartwatches and over time and they become more popular than smartphones? All of a sudden, my scenario of movies on a smartphone makes sense. Who agrees?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by octagon

And you learned all this from a tv show? That's ironic

But seriously, folks. TV viewing has changed (though not nearly as radically as some Luddites would have one think) but TVs have not.

Well, except for getting bigger, of course. And thinner and lighter. And cheaper.

But other than that TVs are pretty much TVs. Kids have watched them in their bedrooms for generations. People watch them together, they watch them separately. Sure, tv viewing has gotten more fragmented in the sense that people don't all watch the same handful of shows and they don't all watch them in the same places at the same times.

But is watching a tv show on a 12" tablet fundamentally different from watching it on a 12" portable tv?

Meh, I dunno.

No I said they were right, not that I learnt it.
Where does one keep a soapbox in the modern house? Next to your portable tv?

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by octagon

And you learned all this from a tv show? That's ironic

But seriously, folks. TV viewing has changed (though not nearly as radically as some Luddites would have one think) but TVs have not.

Well, except for getting bigger, of course. And thinner and lighter. And cheaper.

But other than that TVs are pretty much TVs. Kids have watched them in their bedrooms for generations. People watch them together, they watch them separately. Sure, tv viewing has gotten more fragmented in the sense that people don't all watch the same handful of shows and they don't all watch them in the same places at the same times.

But is watching a tv show on a 12" tablet fundamentally different from watching it on a 12" portable tv?

Meh, I dunno.

True. As a kid, I had a 13" TV in my bedroom to watch TV. Now, my kids will have a 13" laptop or tablet in their bedroom (or wherever they park their ass) to watch TV (or surf the net or engage in social media or edit images or whatever)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

True. As a kid, I had a 13" TV in my bedroom to watch TV. Now, my kids will have a 13" laptop or tablet in their bedroom (or wherever they park their ass) to watch TV (or surf the net or engage in social media or edit images or whatever)

My endgame is will big screen TV sets still be available in two decades. I'm 39 now so hopefully new developments will breath new life into the living room tv. I can't shake the sense that we will all be watching our wrist in the future though. I know I'm setting myself up for ridicule, I'm not stupid. This vision of mine can and may come true though. I hope to goodness it doesn't.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Where does one keep a soapbox in the modern house?

The don't make soapboxes like they used to.

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

True. As a kid, I had a 13" TV in my bedroom to watch TV. Now, my kids will have a 13" laptop or tablet in their bedroom (or wherever they park their ass) to watch TV (or surf the net or engage in social media or edit images or whatever)

Kids want to get off their own and do their own thing. Was that any different thirty or forty years ago?

You know, back when people said things like 'do your own thing'

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My endgame is will big screen TV sets still be available in two decades. I'm 39 now so hopefully new developments will breath new life into the living room tv. I can't shake the sense that we will all be watching our wrist in the future though. I know I'm setting myself up for ridicule, I'm not stupid. This vision of mine can and may come true though. I hope to goodness it doesn't.

Its not coming true. Look how big 4K tv's is. Families want the bigger the better not huddled over a tablet screen squeezed together

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I can't shake the sense that we will all be watching our wrist in the future though.

The porn complications alone will keep that from happening.

[SixSpeedSamurai]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think we all need to accept this is the way things are heading. I think we are concerned about the wrong thing. Rather than worry about DVD still hanging around, we should be focused on the worrying shift fro big screen tv to tablets and smartphones. I have said all along that streaming will affect home cinema in a negative way and I still believe that. There was a time when such opinions belonged to click bait articles and bloggers desperate for views/traffic but more and more I see this opinion/view creeping into respected sites such as dedicated home cinema magazines/websites etc.. I do my best to avoid click bait sites but I see this observation in a lot of places. Film magazines, home theatre, and to give you a very recent example, it's even appearing in websites I visit daily. Along with bluray.com I visit another site and read of someone with a similar concern to mine (read the 4k paragraph)
http://www.doblu.com/2015/01/19/best-2014-matts-picks/

How can people not see this coming? It's almost identical to what happened in the music industry. (Smaller compressed files, much lower quality, consumed on small portable devices) I think people need to wake up to what is happening and stop embracing streaming as it will kill home cinema. If genuine home cinema writers and dedicated HQ websites are noticing this development, maybe I am not mad? I know the temptation is to add this post to the 'sky is falling' section but that would be the same as people who are blindly falling in love with the 'convenience card' at the cost of a true home cinema experience. This is going to happen guys and it needs to stop or we will All end up with SD low bit rate streams on a phone or smartwatch.

I firmly believe that Blu-Ray will be the last "major" form of home physical media. Sure they'll try and replace it, but whatever else comes out will be niche at this point. We, members of sites like this, will be the vinyl snobs of the future.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My endgame is will big screen TV sets still be available in two decades. I'm 39 now so hopefully new developments will breath new life into the living room tv. I can't shake the sense that we will all be watching our wrist in the future though. I know I'm setting myself up for ridicule, I'm not stupid. This vision of mine can and may come true though. I hope to goodness it doesn't.

Yeah, big screen TVs will still be available in twenty years. Especially because TV's are adapting. They're Smart TVs now, with Apps to expand beyond just television broadcast viewing. Or you can hook your PC tower up to it...
Like I said before, I think everything (wrist watch and smart phone TVs alongside large screen wall mount TVs) will coexist because different people like and prefer different things. We all have different tastes. Some guys like blondes, some prefer brunette. Some guys like Asians, some prefer black women. Some women like Italian guys, others don't...etc Same goes for viewing preference

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by octagon

The porn complications alone will keep that from happening.

Most people watch porn alone

[octagon]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Most people watch porn alone

Not on their wrists.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Most people watch porn alone

No they don't!