What happened to Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown?

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

No hard feelings.

I don't think 'Brown' stacks up to 'Fiction' at all, and that opinion is not on the basis of the dialogue in the two movies. I enjoy 'Pulp Fiction' for much, much more than just dialogue, and I think 'Brown' is an example of Tarantino going with the popular feedback that his "witty" dialogue is what carries his movies, while for me that is not the case; so we have a movie with the same type of dialogue, but not nearly as entertaining of a show. I think he milks a one-note formula of stylized dialogue and pastiche, without much regard to the overall quality of the product... that is why I find his movies to be very "hit-and-miss", I've only liked three of them (Fiction, Kill Bill, and to a lesser extent, Reservoir Dogs).

Point taken. What's your favorite KB? Mine is vol 2..... for the dialogue (LOL) and the soundtrack.

[CJWilkie]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

No hard feelings.

I don't think 'Brown' stacks up to 'Fiction' at all, and that opinion is not on the basis of the dialogue in the two movies. I enjoy 'Pulp Fiction' for much, much more than just dialogue, and I think 'Brown' is an example of Tarantino going with the popular feedback that his "witty" dialogue is what carries his movies, while for me that is not the case; so we have a movie with the same type of dialogue, but not nearly as entertaining of a show. I think he milks a one-note formula of stylized dialogue and pastiche, without much regard to the overall quality of the product... that is why I find his movies to be very "hit-and-miss", I've only liked three of them (Fiction, Kill Bill, and to a lesser extent, Reservoir Dogs).

I know what you mean about "dialogue and pastiche" - he really knows how to make those scenes last. What was interesting for me about Jackie Brown is that it was much more of a drama film over Pulp Fiction (a film which for me seemed to be QT celebrating going to the movies), and for sure, it doesn't seem like a "Tarantino film" per se either, so it was something different.

You know, I really enjoyed Death Proof when I first saw it, but on repeat viewings I can't stand it for the most part because of exactly what you complained about in Jackie Brown; it's a slow film which builds up to one key moment, and a lot of that build up was just talk-talk-talk-talk-talk.

Jackie Brown, for me anyway, had a lot more depth to it than many of his other films. The characters were less caricatures a la Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill (or most certainly Inglourious Basterds), and seemed a lot more interesting, if less witty and circumstantially entertaining.

I totally understand that you didn't enjoy it, but to say that someone won't enjoy anything if they didn't like it once the first time is a little bit close-minded.

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Point taken. What's your favorite KB? Mine is vol 2..... for the dialogue (LOL) and the soundtrack.

Volume 1 is sooooo much better. The cinematography, soundtrack, and fight sequences are stunning.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by CJWilkie

Volume 1 is sooooo much better. The cinematography, soundtrack, and fight sequences are stunning.

I totally agree with what you say about volume one, but I always come out of vol 2 with a better sense that I've witnessed a real, beginning to end movie. The cinematography, soundtrack, and fight sequences are stunning in volume two also!

[Motown Luv]

Haven't seen jackie brown but I give pulp fiction an A+ .

[mjbethancourt]

Kill Bill is one single movie to me... neither episode is complete without the other.

...and CJ, as far as the repeat viewing thing, I think either you just misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear enough, or whatever. I was trying to dispute the ridiculous assertion that if you didn't like 'Brown', then it must only be because you just haven't watched it enough times.

[Pinto]

I think both films are great - personally I like Jackie Brown a little more overall.

A little off-topic here, but regarding second viewings of movies - I've found that sometimes a film gets better on its second viewing, but usually it is either the same as I originally thought, or worse, kinda like "WTF was I thinking the first time?" I'm a little curious as to how second viewings play out with other people.

I just watched Devil with a Blue Dress a second time, and although I still enjoyed it, it wasn't quite as great as I remembered it.

[CJWilkie]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

...and CJ, as far as the repeat viewing thing, I think either you just misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear enough, or whatever. I was trying to dispute the ridiculous assertion that if you didn't like 'Brown', then it must only be because you just haven't watched it enough times.

You're right, I just re-read what you said without a 3am daze, and forgive me, I understand entirely where you're coming from now.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Kill Bill is one single movie to me... neither episode is complete without the other.

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Disagree totally!

Vol.1 Was simply amazing! Vol. 2 was utter crap! It was like night and day......

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Disagree totally!

Vol.1 Was simply amazing! Vol. 2 was utter crap! It was like night and day......

It must be George Lucas's fault.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

I'm the opposite-- Jackie Brown-- great characters, involving story, entertaining film

Pulp Fiction-- foul people, foul language, foul movie!!

I like Jackie Brown better than Pulp Fiction, too. I think Jackie Brown is the more mature film, and it has some depth to the characters that Pulp Fiction lacks. Pulp Fiction seems more shallow to me, like a campy parody of the type of films Tarantino loves too much. Tarantino also indulges his penchant for sadism in that film. Worse, he makes it part of a sick joke.